[Advanced] The Dresden Files Mafia - Game Over - Ed loses, Verbal wins

[John McClane]

Not a bus vote.. and not the hammer He still lacks one vote. When i asked for a VC earlier I did it because i didn't want to be the hammer or seen as a bus, but his stupidity has overwhelmed my desire not to look suspicious because I happened to vote towards the end, which btw, is normal for me. I like to hear all sides of the argument before just throwing my vote out there. 

 

???

 

Only scum wouldn't want to be seen as the hammer or bus vote. There's no reason for a townie to be concerned over how their vote is going to look, like this.

 

Vote Ishy

[peacesells]

Well, I'm awake after a very long sleep. 

 

UNVOTE

 

Boo has been quite poetic since his reveal.  I'm sure this is a mod induced PR due to his behavior earlier.

 

I've had a town read on Ishy but this self vote is horrible.  What gives Ish?  This is really against the spirit of the game and I don't think you play that way.  You trying a reverse psych/emo thing?

 

Anyway, it's crossing my wires on him.  Not gonna hammer at this point.  Need to re-read his stuffage.

[peacesells]

whoa, ninja'd. 

 

Hey Ape...why the quick hammer man?  There was plenty of time to work through this.

[John E. Kelley]

My vote isn't really game related at all, oddly enough.

 

I just need to be removed from the game.

[John McClane]

whoa, ninja'd. 

 

Hey Ape...why the quick hammer man?  There was plenty of time to work through this.

 

Sorry dude, his train grew then shrunk then grew again when Vambram started getting heat. Seemed logical to finally put him down. Informative. 

 

I don't like the wifom he's painting about the personal attack either, I don't even know where/when it happened. 

[John Snow]

As Day passes, everyone considers what they know, and the rumors they heard.

Ishmael...he had to be against them. Rumors were often misleading, they said. In any case, how could Gentleman Johnny Marcone, one of the biggest leaders of organized crime, possibly be helping out everyone? Everyone knew he was only in it for himself.

So, as Twilight fell, they all turned to him with murder in their eyes. They strung him up, and left him to die.

 

Everyone waited eagerly for the evening issue of the Arcane, and were severely disappointed with the results. The body of Ishmael Forsaken was identified as Gentleman Johnny Marcone, a Chicago Citizen.

 

It is now Twilight. Do Not Post.

[John Snow]

Night falls and everyone goes to their homes and prepares for tomorrow. The game was just beginning, they knew.

 

It is now Night 2. Deadline for Night Actions is 10pm Mountain time on the 4th.

 

http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20130404T22&p0=398&msg=Dresden+files+Night+2+Deadline

[John Snow]

Also, I am working on replacing Song.

(And, you guys can post whenever I say it's night/day)

[John McClane]

Also, I am working on replacing Song.

(And, you guys can post whenever I say it's night/day)

 

 

Since Ishy was town, can he just take over her spot?

[John Snow]

Rule #13--dead can't replace in. But Pac mentioned he might want in, so I've PM'd him.

[BooBoo]

Well, I'm awake after a very long sleep. 

 

UNVOTE

 

Boo has been quite poetic since his reveal.  I'm sure this is a mod induced PR due to his behavior earlier.

 

I've had a town read on Ishy but this self vote is horrible.  What gives Ish?  This is really against the spirit of the game and I don't think you play that way.  You trying a reverse psych/emo thing?

 

Anyway, it's crossing my wires on him.  Not gonna hammer at this point.  Need to re-read his stuffage.

 

Good guess.  Is that a common practice here? 

[Katiora]

It does happen occasionally... lol there are worse punishments out there though... It was kinda cute though... in a disturbing sorta way. 

[Tyler Glembo]

All the poetry made me laugh.  Hard.

[John McClane]

So, we are lynching AVM tomorrow right?

[Verbal32]

So, we are lynching AVM tomorrow right?

 

No, you.  I re-read every post of yours this game.  Yes, it was painful.  You're totally scum.  You're latching onto anything "scummy" said by players (town say scummy stuff all the time - you've even pointed this out many times), but you aren't giving them that benefit of the doubt.  Scum play the clean games, remember?  You are hunting the people not playing clean.

 

I'm sold on you as scum - you should be run up first thing tomorrow.

[John McClane]

 

So, we are lynching AVM tomorrow right?

 

No, you.  I re-read every post of yours this game.  Yes, it was painful.  You're totally scum.  You're latching onto anything "scummy" said by players (town say scummy stuff all the time - you've even pointed this out many times), but you aren't giving them that benefit of the doubt.  Scum play the clean games, remember?  You are hunting the people not playing clean.

 

I'm sold on you as scum - you should be run up first thing tomorrow.

 

You first, Sally.

 

Csarmi pushed anti-town agenda in going after Crusher and I for non-game reasons. 

 

JIF decoupled my statement to manufacture a lie about me.

 

Ishy blatantly pushed contradictory logic. 

 

I may not have been right about JIF or Ishy being scum, but I was right to focus on their logic. All my case-work as been logic driven, so please, tell me where I'm latching on to "people saying scummy things". Because you are in effect accusing me of the opposite of what I've done.

 

Also, you are throwing my theory about scummy players looking cleanest at me, but you are leaving out the key ingredient... towards the end of the game. That is something I lean on heavily in end game scenarios, not on D1 where I've got a whole different method of scum hunting logic I apply, and D2 isn't much different from D1. It's not until the numbers start waning that I start re-evaluating reads based on which players pre-emptively avoided every situation that would have drawn attention to them.

 

So... GFY.

[John McClane]

Also, look at Verbal. That mofo was sitting there egging on the JIF train the whole time, and when Nolder started distracting me from my case on JIF, there was Verbal to chime in "Ape you are getting sidetracked, reel it in". 

 

He made sure I stayed the course and ran up JIF. Doing scum's work for them.

 

Verbal, you have played an awful clean game. 

 

So has TGlems and Rand, the same Rand that tried to frame me for a lynch tomorrow based on the outcome of Ishy's lynch, while he voted Ishy and before Ishy was even dead. 

 

Verb, TGlems, Rand and AVM. No particular order.

[John McClane]

Also, I'd really like to know if Song is the real Bob and we just gave JIF/boo and free pass.

[peacesells]

Also, I'd really like to know if Song is the real Bob and we just gave JIF/boo and free pass.

huh?

[John McClane]

 

Also, I'd really like to know if Song is the real Bob and we just gave JIF/boo and free pass.

huh?

 

 

Song isn't participating in the game, and never had a chance to counter Booboo's claim.

[Hybrid]

So, we are lynching AVM tomorrow right?

Thought you had a town read on him. What changed your mind?

[John McClane]

 

 

So, we are lynching AVM tomorrow right?

Thought you had a town read on him. What changed your mind?

Been wrong about everything else. Plus, I doubt both him and Ishy are town.

[AVM]

So, we are lynching AVM tomorrow right?

 

LOL.  New site, same Ape.

 

 

So, we are lynching AVM tomorrow right?

 

No, you.  I re-read every post of yours this game.  Yes, it was painful.  You're totally scum.  You're latching onto anything "scummy" said by players (town say scummy stuff all the time - you've even pointed this out many times), but you aren't giving them that benefit of the doubt.  Scum play the clean games, remember?  You are hunting the people not playing clean.

 

I'm sold on you as scum - you should be run up first thing tomorrow.

 

You deserve a commendation.  Not being sarcastic for once.

 

 

 

 

So, we are lynching AVM tomorrow right?

Thought you had a town read on him. What changed your mind?

Been wrong about everything else. Plus, I doubt both him and Ishy are town.

 

Just like the last 3 times I was "scum" in your mind?  I own you now.  Just accept it and let's move on.

[RandA lThor]

 

TG, the CC doesn't matter, he could be a mafia reporter, so there would be no CC.  And you stated the canon after a lot of people posted, so I'm looking at everyone who immediately unvoted even before he revealed his character.

 

Not as Bob he couldn't.  In the books book doesn't have a whole look of conscience as a spirit, but he is Harry's tome of knowledge and is constantly being used/providing info to help fight crime.  It'd be (IMO) against canon to have Bob as scum. 

 

Looking at people who unvoted before I mentioned canon does make sense.  However, continuing to look at Booboo doesn't.  It would be like continuing to be suspicious of someone who character claimed Harry Dresden without a CC.

I don't think you understood what I said TG, sorry, I'm unclear at times.  What I meant was that before he claimed his character, people had already started to unvote him.  Those are the people we should look at.

 

 

Holy crap its hard to catch up on this game.  First thing I want to point out.  Everyone went of JiF/Boo when he claimed town reporter but not a single one of you mentioned that he might in fact be a mafia reporter.  We thought of this scenario before, but now it doesn't get a single mention.  I thought JiF was town before Ape started casing him on pretty much meta alone (which is really weak, especially when playing on another site), but none of you looked at anything else other than what Ape was saying.  This game it seems like most people are playing get behind the Ape, notice how where he votes, others do as well.  Two things here, either we can find scum their trying to hide between everyone else, or Ape himself is scum, and he's just capitalizing on how much scum hunting he can do, instead of how well.  I know I said before that he caught a town threat, but to him if he was mafia, that would have seemed like town before a reveal, and after he had gotten that far, he couldn't have backed off anyways.  Second of all, Ishy has been very scummy, first of all in his initial reaction to anyone who questioned him.  Usually I would think that this would be too clear for anyone to do and would be a town tell, but I think Ishy was trying to overplay his town meta of being too nonchalant and kind of free with what he says.  Not only that, but once Tina said that she was fine with him revealing what he thought, not only did he insult Tina as well, he didn't give the reason he had.  So now that there is nothing to lose, please go ahead and tell us Ishy, what you thought.

 

vote Ishy

 

1. You build a case where I could likely be scum, talk about how everyone is following me, and then vote Ishy. LMFAO This stinks like you are pushing the Ishy train, and trying to set up a lynch on me for if/when Ishy flips town. Universal scum tell: I call it "getting greedy" when scum is trying to set up the next lynch before today's even finishes.

 

2. For the record on Booboo... My case on Booboo was sincere and NOT just based on meta, he piggy-backed my csarmi case on D1 (game play related), he had a town result on AVM but chose to vote him anyway?

 

3. The meta part of my case doesn't really take playing at JN to understand. He said I lied about how he hates when I play "connect the dots", which when you decouple the statement I actually made is an easy thing for him to sell. I never lied about that, I freely admit he HATES when I do it. That said, that wasn't the focus... the focus was that he KNOWS it is a big-time town tell of mine, and he ignored that it's a town tell and sold that town tell to you all as a scum tell. That IS something he often does as scum, selling my town tells as my scum tells. So, if you are in my shoes it becomes quite easy to convince yourself he's dirty.

 

4. Also, him selling you all my town tell as a scum tell, is also meta-casing, why aren't you scolding him over that?

 

5. Anyway, it's a moot point, unless he gets counter-claimed he is Bob.

1. Pot meet kettle.  You've been doing this the entire game, saying lets lynch AVM tomorrow, giving lists of who you think is scum, and trying to say they are going to get lynched.  Nice try though.  Also, I gave specific reasons for why I thought Ishy was more scummy then you. I may have been wrong, but at that point Ishy was much more scummy than you were.  

 

2. Then why did you make so many posts saying "He fell into my trap!  This is exactly what he always does as scum"?  Secondly, there were many other people who piggybacked on your csarmi case, and the only legitimate thing you had was AVM (which personally I don't think warrants a vote)

 

3. We wouldn't know if he sells town tells as scum tells, we don't know if that is one of your town tells or not, I've only played 1 or 2 games with you, I don't remember as much as you're saying, and there are much more people who haven't played with you at all.  This is not a valid point at all.

 

4. I would, but he's already claimed, and I believe him to be town.  Right now I'm just scumhunting, not scolding people for bad mafia habits.  Plus, he didn't get a bunch of people to follow him on what he said, which makes me more suspicious of you, possibly using fellow scummates to follow you to convince even more people to follow you.

 

5. No, its not a moot point, if I'm using this to scumhunt, then I will still use it.  Nice try trying to make my entire case invalid though.

 

Unvote. Vote Ishy.

 

I deserve it after the personal attack. Sorry.

Before I saw your flip, I really thought this was scummy.  Just like what Boo did, and he got out, possibly hoping that same would happen to him.  Can people please stop self-voting yourself unless its you or RL situation please, not really helping.

 

Oh man, this totally screams Ishy throwing in the towel as scum, and Katiora coming in for the bus vote. Was that the hammer vote?

Wow, I know you said that you often switch around your views, but that was incredibly fast.

 

 

So, we are lynching AVM tomorrow right?

 

No, you.  I re-read every post of yours this game.  Yes, it was painful.  You're totally scum.  You're latching onto anything "scummy" said by players (town say scummy stuff all the time - you've even pointed this out many times), but you aren't giving them that benefit of the doubt.  Scum play the clean games, remember?  You are hunting the people not playing clean.

 

I'm sold on you as scum - you should be run up first thing tomorrow.

Finally, someone else is thinking the same thing.

 

 

Also, look at Verbal. That mofo was sitting there egging on the JIF train the whole time, and when Nolder started distracting me from my case on JIF, there was Verbal to chime in "Ape you are getting sidetracked, reel it in". 

 

He made sure I stayed the course and ran up JIF. Doing scum's work for them.

 

Verbal, you have played an awful clean game. 

 

So has TGlems and Rand, the same Rand that tried to frame me for a lynch tomorrow based on the outcome of Ishy's lynch, while he voted Ishy and before Ishy was even dead. 

 

Verb, TGlems, Rand and AVM. No particular order.

Wow, could you make that OMGUS more blatant please?  You had the entire time to make a point on Verbal, yet you sit there and wait until he cases you first?  I thought you said that scum didn't play transparently on JN.  So half of your list contains the 2 and only people that have cased you and think you are scum.  Coincidence?  I think not.

 

Your welcome town.

[John McClane]

Rand, most of your post is garbage because it's all evasive and re-directing accusation. Transparent.

 

The #1 bullet, your response on that though is worth fixating on for a second. You say I've been doing the "same thing" all game, referring to my accusation that you built a case about how I could be scum, but then voted for the person I was casing at the time. Essentially contributing to a townie lynch train, while establishing a basis for coming after me the next day.

 

This is the type of thing only scum can do. You know I'm town. You knew Ishy was town. You contributed to making sure my loud mouth got Ishy lynched, but then hedged your vote on Ishy with the groudwork to call me scum the next day. Essentially, it's a frame-job. I do it as scum, recently I've caught Lily do it twice, y'all know Lily. It is a common, universal scum tell.

 

Of course I come away from the Ishy lynch looking bad, but that's becasue I waffled. Scum only waffles when they are doing it for show. Scum never has to "figure out" who they think is scum more than the other. They know who the townies are, so they can do things like vote one townie, while framing another. The give-away on what you did is that you were essentially moving on past the Ishy lynch an onto making a case on me before we ever even saw Ishy's coroner report. 

 

Oh, and you aren't scum hunting. Scum hunting involves inquisition. You drifted in after I established a case on JIF, he revealed, and then moved to Ishy, you voted Ishy and set up a future case on me. That's not scum hunting. That's opportunism.