[Advanced] The Dresden Files Mafia - Game Over - Ed loses, Verbal wins

[John McClane]

 

Who did Ape have on the ropes then Nol?

You. He cased you during the night (which is a little suspicious in and of itself) and had a few people agreeing with him not to mention those that were already on your case yesterday like me. Then he did a 180 and switched to JiF. Doesn't make any sense unless he knows something I don't.

 

WTF are you talking about you idiot? Ishy was one of many people I've been poking at through D1 and into N1, but here was are on D2 and NEW THINGS HAPPENED, and I've adjusted my position accordingly.

 

Get the eff out of here with this "Ape never lets someone off the ropes" crap. I change directions on a dime all the time, one of the most famous times was when we had Jetscode and Christine in competing trains, and I was casing Jetscode like crazy... until boom, he said one thing that rung as a town tell after a huge throwdown, and I turned on a dime and voted Christine. She was scum. He was not.

 

You yourself don't understand how I play. So stop telling others how to interpret it, it's irresponsible.

[Verbal32]

 

Also, Vote: BooBoo

 

OMG WHERE IS YOUR REASONING??????  SO SCUMMY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

My reason is that I want you killed until you die from it.  That reason clear enough for you?

[Nolder]

 

 

Who did Ape have on the ropes then Nol?

You. He cased you during the night (which is a little suspicious in and of itself) and had a few people agreeing with him not to mention those that were already on your case yesterday like me. Then he did a 180 and switched to JiF. Doesn't make any sense unless he knows something I don't.

 

WTF are you talking about you idiot? Ishy was one of many people I've been poking at through D1 and into N1, but here was are on D2 and NEW THINGS HAPPENED, and I've adjusted my position accordingly.

 

Get the eff out of here with this "Ape never lets someone off the ropes" crap. I change directions on a dime all the time, one of the most famous times was when we had Jetscode and Christine in competing trains, and I was casing Jetscode like crazy... until boom, he said one thing that rung as a town tell after a huge throwdown, and I turned on a dime and voted Christine. She was scum. He was not.

 

You yourself don't understand how I play. So stop telling others how to interpret it, it's irresponsible.

Do you think Ishy is town now?

[John McClane]

 

 

 

 

Finished catching up and not sure what's going on.

Someone is pushing an agenda on JiF and a few people have either been duped, are in on it, or are following for other reasons.

Not sure about all that yet. I don't find JiF scummier than Ishy as of yet so I don't understand the big push on him especially when Ishy got mentioned in the scene.

That feels extremely off to me on top of everything he did yesterday.

 

Vote: Ishy

 

FoS: Ape

Singling Ape out over this whole JiF thing because in my experience when Ape has someone on the ropes he pushes until one of them is dead. Backing off to push on JiF doesn't sit right with me.

 

Keep reading the thread dummy... my take on the situation is Ishy has been scummier than AVM, and JIF came along and pushed AVM's train. A little exchange with JIF and he exposed his very familiar scumtells to me. I'm going with my reads on JIF, as a determinant for how to look at Ishy and AVM. It's pretty logical, not surprised it's lost on you though. Hahahahahaha... 

Ok so let's say JiF is scum and targeting AVM instead of his scummate Ishy. Why lynch JiF first when there was already more support for Ishy at the break of day?

 

 

Because independent of connecting the dots with Ishy, JIF hit scumtells I'm confident in lynching him over. Making him my #1. 

 

Not sure what is hard to understand about this.

Let me make up some fake numbers for you to help you understand how I am seeing things. At the start of day Ishy had 60-80% support for being lynched, JiF had 30-60%. It would be easier to drive a lynch on Ishy than on JiF. Instead of going for the easy lynch you spent time driving JiF's number up so that now he has closer to a 50/50 chance of being lynched. What I don't understand is if you thought they were both scum why jif first?

 

What do you not understand about JIF HIT HIS SCUM TELL? 

 

I disagree with your numbers. Support for either Ishy or AVM to be lynched was completely rocked as soon as both of them showed up in the scene in a mod created wifom. Since it's a mod created wifom, I'd rather follow my gut and pursue JIF, who I have also been casing since D1, as he just hit a tell.

 

I didn't spend time driving JIFs number up either, I toyed with him to see if I could get him to tip his hand. That's how I play you infuriating imbecile. 

 

I ain't calling you scum I'm just trying to let everyone know the whole situation feels a little off to me. Could be as simple as you think it's funnier lynching JiF than Ishy idk.

It just doesn't sit quite right with me.

 

If you aren't calling me scum, the why not shut up and let things play out?

[BooBoo]

 

 

 

 

Vote AVM  

 

Second time you've done the whole vote with no explanation and move on thing.

 

 

Lynch Booboo, if he flips scum, lynch Ishy next. :)

 

Hate when you do this.  Always pings.  But you're terrible at this game and do it all the time so instead I'm just going to furiously type my thoughts out and wonder. 

 

BOOM. There's a scum tell.

 

Every time I'm town and sniffing around you as scum, you inevitably make statements JUST LIKE THIS. You point out something you know I always do as town (connect the dots) and then imply it "pings" as a scum tell, but don't commit to calling me scum... then I usually catch it, and push harder for your lynch and you eventually call me scum back as OMGUS self-defense. 

 

Then you'll debate the peripheral crap with me, and won't address my case logic.

 

Clockwork.

 

You already bit on my trap, and now you are gift-wrapping a huge scum tell. Thank you.

 

This is gross post.  I was leaning town, but now I'm second guessing.

 

FTR - This isnt a scum tell of my.  Not even slightly.  I say it both as town and mafia, all the time.  You're flat out lying and know it.  You're pushing and reaching.  And you're doing it know that 75% of the game doesnt know how I play but referencing meta on me, that you know damn well isnt true.  And Verb saying he agrees with you when its a down right lie pings too.

 

What you did, tying players together is a tactic I hate and we've argued it to the death in both alignments.  You're lying.  And anyone who has played with us before should have sniffed this out immediately.  //////stares down Verb

[Verbal32]

Ape, you are about to get sidetracked.  Reel it in.

[John McClane]

 

 

 

Who did Ape have on the ropes then Nol?

You. He cased you during the night (which is a little suspicious in and of itself) and had a few people agreeing with him not to mention those that were already on your case yesterday like me. Then he did a 180 and switched to JiF. Doesn't make any sense unless he knows something I don't.

 

WTF are you talking about you idiot? Ishy was one of many people I've been poking at through D1 and into N1, but here was are on D2 and NEW THINGS HAPPENED, and I've adjusted my position accordingly.

 

Get the eff out of here with this "Ape never lets someone off the ropes" crap. I change directions on a dime all the time, one of the most famous times was when we had Jetscode and Christine in competing trains, and I was casing Jetscode like crazy... until boom, he said one thing that rung as a town tell after a huge throwdown, and I turned on a dime and voted Christine. She was scum. He was not.

 

You yourself don't understand how I play. So stop telling others how to interpret it, it's irresponsible.

Do you think Ishy is town now?

 

 

No. He is still on my list, but tells >>> guesses.

[Tyler Glembo]

I ain't calling you scum I'm just trying to let everyone know the whole situation feels a little off to me. Could be as simple as you think it's funnier lynching JiF than Ishy idk.

It just doesn't sit quite right with me.

 

That was quite the back down.

[John McClane]

Ape, you are about to get sidetracked.  Reel it in.

 

Remember how I said JIF would eventually have to call me scum back and then start debating peripheral semantics to get me off his ass? Yeah. Just happened. ^^^^ 

 

I'm good. Nolder's aligned himself with JIF and Ishy. Let's see where it goes, whooobideee dooo!!!! !

[Verbal32]

What you did, tying players together is a tactic I hate and we've argued it to the death in both alignments.  You're lying.  And anyone who has played with us before should have sniffed this out immediately.  //////stares down Verb

 

No idea what you're talking about.  :-)

[John E. Kelley]

I don't get where you're getting that 60-80% number from Nol. Granted, Ape probably makes 60-80% of the games posts, but other than you and him, nothing on me was solid. I've certainly never at any point felt like I was "on the ropes."

 

And you of all people should know that just because Ape lays out a scenario at night doesn't usually mean that he's actually going to follow through on said scenario when day rolls around.

[John Snow]

Ape probably makes 60-80% of the games posts

 

Official Vote Count:

 

Ed(1): Boo

Boo(5): Peace, Ape, AVM, Verb, Ed

Ishy(2): Leelou, Nol

 

Not voting:

TGlems, Song, Lenlo, Vambram, Hybrid, Tina, Rand, Katioria, Ishy

 

With 17 alive, it takes 9 to lynch

 

Deadline: http://www.timeandda...=Day 2 Deadline

 

This is noon on the 4th in Mountain Timezone. I also believe that's DM time.

[Leelou]

Can I also request that you just put the time and your time zone in the deadline? Those counters drive me nuts. You don't need to do it all the time, just once would work for me. 

[Verbal32]

Can I also request that you just put the time and your time zone in the deadline? Those counters drive me nuts. You don't need to do it all the time, just once would work for me. 

 

I concur.

[BooBoo]

 

 

Something akin to an innocent child role where town and mafia each have a public "outer" that can use the IC role on someone else that night.  If that is the case then one of Ishy and AVM is town and has been outed and one of them is scum and has been fake "outed".

 

Thoughts?

 

Never heard of this before, but Vote Ishy. I can't imagine both are town, and I'm getting strong town read on AVM. He's my dude, and I read him well.

 

I HAVE seen something like this before... on a Myndrunner game... where one person could reflect someone else's role if they were viewed... but that's the only time i've ever seen it... Personally I find it unlikely, though not impossible, that both are not only good but both are townies... But we could just be lucky. It'd be nice for once.... Really the only way to be sure would be to lynch them both and see if one ended up being a bad guy... lol but that isn't a great option. 

 

 

Or, whoever is the town "outer", rather than claiming your role, just out the other person you didn't.  

 

E.G. Town watcher is player X and they outed AVM.  Tonight they "out" Ishy to see if Ishy gets a different rumor tomorrow.  This could potentially be used by mafia also, but it entirely depends on what their "outing" role is.

 

 

Yea, definitely interested in what a Chicago Citizen is.

 

 

Without knowing everyone else's roles, it is hard to guage whether or not it is a role that outs other people on each side (i.e. one on the mafia, one town). If that is the case, whoever the town outter is needs to be careful.

It could be a host of other reasons that two people flipped, though. Some super awesome mega doubling splitter-redirector (totally using that in a bastard mod game one day). Anyways, I'm not so sure lynching either is smart at the moment.

 

There is still plenty of info from yesterday to go off of.

 

 

 

New Replies: Booboo, as in maybe there is a role on the mafia's side that provides public false-claims for townies. Or some crazy shit. Who knows. It's Mafia.

 

 

 

Next, everyone flips to the rumor section. Could it really be true?

Is AVM truly Anna Ash, a Chicago Citizen?

And what about Ishmael? Could he really be Gentleman Johnny Marcone, a Chicago Citizen?

 

 

One thing on this.... If you look at the orange.. it doesn't say that they ARE this... it only suggests that they could be... so..... It's very possible that ed has a valid point with it being in the rumors...

 

 

And it's not a good idea Booboo because IF they do end up both being town then we have wasted 2 days killing off innocents while the mafia will probably be killing more at night. so we could have up to 4 innocent/good guy roles dead and be extremely outnumbered by the mafia very quickly if we just start killing off people who are possibly revealed by the mod. I think more thought should go into it than that. 

 

FTR - these are the agenda pushing post I was referring too.

[John Snow]

Added into previous VC.

[Tyler Glembo]

Also, I believe Rand has replaced Crusher.

[BooBoo]

 

Ape, you are about to get sidetracked.  Reel it in.

 

Remember how I said JIF would eventually have to call me scum back and then start debating peripheral semantics to get me off his ass? Yeah. Just happened. ^^^^ 

 

I'm good. Nolder's aligned himself with JIF and Ishy. Let's see where it goes, whooobideee dooo!!!! !

 

More lies from the Ape.  When did I call you scum? 

[John Snow]

Also, I believe Rand has replaced Crusher.

 

Oops. That's what I get for copying a previous VC's info and not making a new one.

[Nolder]

If you aren't calling me scum, the why not shut up and let things play out?

You tell me. You're the one that commented on my post. I'm just responding to you. If you don't want to talk anymore then don't.

[Leelou]

Added into previous VC.

 

Thanks!

[Tyler Glembo]

 

 

 

Something akin to an innocent child role where town and mafia each have a public "outer" that can use the IC role on someone else that night.  If that is the case then one of Ishy and AVM is town and has been outed and one of them is scum and has been fake "outed".

 

Thoughts?

 

Never heard of this before, but Vote Ishy. I can't imagine both are town, and I'm getting strong town read on AVM. He's my dude, and I read him well.

 

I HAVE seen something like this before... on a Myndrunner game... where one person could reflect someone else's role if they were viewed... but that's the only time i've ever seen it... Personally I find it unlikely, though not impossible, that both are not only good but both are townies... But we could just be lucky. It'd be nice for once.... Really the only way to be sure would be to lynch them both and see if one ended up being a bad guy... lol but that isn't a great option. 

 

 

>Or, whoever is the town "outer", rather than claiming your role, just out the other person you didn't.  

 

E.G. Town watcher is player X and they outed AVM.  Tonight they "out" Ishy to see if Ishy gets a different rumor tomorrow.  This could potentially be used by mafia also, but it entirely depends on what their "outing" role is.

 

 

Yea, definitely interested in what a Chicago Citizen is.

 

 

Without knowing everyone else's roles, it is hard to guage whether or not it is a role that outs other people on each side (i.e. one on the mafia, one town). If that is the case, whoever the town outter is needs to be careful.

It could be a host of other reasons that two people flipped, though. Some super awesome mega doubling splitter-redirector (totally using that in a bastard mod game one day). Anyways, I'm not so sure lynching either is smart at the moment.

 

There is still plenty of info from yesterday to go off of.

 

 

 

New Replies: Booboo, as in maybe there is a role on the mafia's side that provides public false-claims for townies. Or some crazy shit. Who knows. It's Mafia.

 

 

 

Next, everyone flips to the rumor section. Could it really be true?

Is AVM truly Anna Ash, a Chicago Citizen?

And what about Ishmael? Could he really be Gentleman Johnny Marcone, a Chicago Citizen?

 

 

One thing on this.... If you look at the orange.. it doesn't say that they ARE this... it only suggests that they could be... so..... It's very possible that ed has a valid point with it being in the rumors...

 

 

And it's not a good idea Booboo because IF they do end up both being town then we have wasted 2 days killing off innocents while the mafia will probably be killing more at night. so we could have up to 4 innocent/good guy roles dead and be extremely outnumbered by the mafia very quickly if we just start killing off people who are possibly revealed by the mod. I think more thought should go into it than that. 

 

FTR - these are the agenda pushing post I was referring too.

 

 

Discussing setup after a scene in which multiple characters roles were "maybe" revealed in an advanced game that is bound to have quite a few not common roles?  That is agenda pushing?  Is this some sort of joke or trap you are trying to play?

[Nolder]

 

I ain't calling you scum I'm just trying to let everyone know the whole situation feels a little off to me. Could be as simple as you think it's funnier lynching JiF than Ishy idk.

It just doesn't sit quite right with me.

 

That was quite the back down.

Was trying to be clear.

[Leelou]

 

If you aren't calling me scum, the why not shut up and let things play out?

You tell me. You're the one that commented on my post. I'm just responding to you. If you don't want to talk anymore then don't.

 

You should know by now that Ape has to reply to everything directed at him. 

[Katiora]

Ok i've got to leave work soon and night is not the best time for me to get on so i'm gonna go ahead and post my vote and do my best to check in tonight at least once before i go to bed... 

 

I vote Booboo

 

 

First because he's just annoying as crap. Second because he randomly accuses everyone who tries to post theories of pushing agendas... My only agenda is not lynching someone just because the Mod posted in his scene that they could be innocents and some people think we should lynch them to see if their wrong... It's a horrible secret agenda to try to keep people from lynching potential innocents if they are in fact innocent.   

 

See boo i even posted my reasoning..