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[John Snow]

Gametime.

 

Checks in

 

Wtf is this giving people Day 1 free passes?

 

Vote Turin

 

Implies he doesn't know what they are; can be considered consistent with his latest defense

 

Oh really? Tell me more.

 

Sarcasm when it's explained; seems to me that such a response implies knowledge of what it is.

 

The only reason to give anyone a free pass on D1 is if you know that they're not the threat, and the only way to know that is to be the threat yourself. How is that not blatantly obvious?

 

Alright, acts here like he doesn't know that D1 pass is common policy for noobs.

 

 

Dude, a D1 pass is to not scare new players away from the game; give them a chance to learn! Because if not it would become almost a standard to lynch first time players D1 because they're easy to push into a corner, and then we'd never get new players at all. FoS on you for that.

 

Oh. God.

 

I know what the flip it is, but you do it by giving them the benefit of the doubt in their argument and acknowledging their scummy play but deciding to not look as much into it as you would an experienced player. Not by standing up and announcing that you're free to do whatever you want since you're a newb. That's abusing your holy "Day 1 get out of jail free" card and using it as a supposedly legit reason for not voting a teammate. 

 

 

 

Here, seems like he knows that noobs get it, but almost like he's unclear as to what it is? He acknowledges that noobs get a D1 pass, but says it's just that noobs don't get as hard a look, but can still be voted/lynched.

 

 

Tiink you also pointed out that by Turin giving me a D1 pass basically admited he knew I wasn't a threat. "Blatantly" obvious even. Then in the next post you said it was a way to avoid voting for a teammate. So which is it?

 

You've misunderstood. And you do you somehow think that one of your teammates would qualify as being a threat?

 

Defends himself, not much of note here imo.

 

 

 

The only reason to give anyone a free pass on D1 is if you know that they're not the threat, and the only way to know that is to be the threat yourself. How is that not blatantly obvious?

The blatantly obvious thing I mentioned.

 

 

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Dude, a D1 pass is to not scare new players away from the game; give them a chance to learn! Because if not it would become almost a standard to lynch first time players D1 because they're easy to push into a corner, and then we'd never get new players at all. FoS on you for that.

 

Oh. God.

 

I know what the flip it is, but you do it by giving them the benefit of the doubt in their argument and acknowledging their scummy play but deciding to not look as much into it as you would an experienced player. Not by standing up and announcing that you're free to do whatever you want since you're a newb. That's abusing your holy "Day 1 get out of jail free" card and using it as a supposedly legit reason for not voting a teammate. 

 

 

The second quote about looking for a reason to avoid voting teammates.

 

So, what did I misunderstand here?

 

 

Are you trying to put emphasis on the fact that I made one point and then another instead of putting them together? Unless you disagree with one of the things I pointed out I don't see what you're trying to get at.

 

 

Again, defends himself. Not much to note.

 

You need to read my posts and stop tunnel visioning.

 

The only reason to give anyone a free pass on D1 is if you know that they're not the threat, and the only way to know that is to be the threat yourself. How is that not blatantly obvious?

 

 

 

Tiink you also pointed out that by Turin giving me a D1 pass basically admited he knew I wasn't a threat. "Blatantly" obvious even. Then in the next post you said it was a way to avoid voting for a teammate. So which is it?

 

You've misunderstood. And you do you somehow think that one of your teammates would qualify as being a threat?

 

 

 

Dude, a D1 pass is to not scare new players away from the game; give them a chance to learn! Because if not it would become almost a standard to lynch first time players D1 because they're easy to push into a corner, and then we'd never get new players at all. FoS on you for that.

 

Oh. God.

 

I know what the flip it is, but you do it by giving them the benefit of the doubt in their argument and acknowledging their scummy play but deciding to not look as much into it as you would an experienced player. Not by standing up and announcing that you're free to do whatever you want since you're a newb. That's abusing your holy "Day 1 get out of jail free" card and using it as a supposedly legit reason for not voting a teammate. 

 

 

 

I just pointed out two ways the scum can use it to their advantage and you haven't given any valid counter point than say "We need to get the newbies to be comfortable with the game" and even that's a stretch. Can you point out why my reasoning is wrong? It's the second time you've tried to coast along with someone else's reasoning. Ironically, from this entire farce what I've garnered is you trying to sneakily push lynches without getting your hands dirty. If you had voted me then I wouldn't have really bothered to take notice since it'd show you ready to put yourself out there but since you haven't it's just made me think that you're trying to get by without any personal input and keeping open the safety to say "I was only agreeing with ___". Scum tactic numero uno. 

 

Unvote, Vote Mish[/color=red] 

 

Seems like he doesn't exactly know what D1 pass is here. Calls mish out on suspicious FoS.

 

Unvote, Vote Mish whoops

 

Corrects vote

 

 

Good lord people. I wake up to this. Tiink. All tge day one pass means is we call them out for scummy things but ee dont lynch them for it. Most noobs will learn from it and be better for it,, if they reallly are very scummy they get saved until day two.

I donnt know why thats knotting your panties somuch. If they are mafia they will probably even givevus more info left alive that phase longer.

Now this whole argument is distracting from everything. If you truely disagree and arent just trying to cause drama make a thread pn the mafia boards and discuss the day one noob card

 

Are you guys purposely ignoring the fact that I voted Turin and not the actual proclaimed noob? If your qualm is me trying to get noobies lynched early then you need to go back and re read since that's not at all what I tried to do.

 

Not seeing what the issue people have with his argument.

 

Unvote Vote Mish

 

Sorry.. dozed off and just woke up so slightly disoriented. 

 

Again, correcting his vote

 

Look, the people who think they're going to have a hard time have a mentor. The others think they can deal with the consequences. There isn't an excuse for acting scummy enough to get lynched. I'm very willing to give them the benefit of the doubt but I'm not going to let them scoot through no matter what. My original post was just a small stab which got turned into some over dramatic flare and while the argument was based off something unspecific to the game, I think we got something worthwhile out of it. AJ strikes me as town while Mish does not.

 

Again, not getting exactly what the D1 pass is, though it seems like to me trying to misrepresent his initial post. Not what I'd call 'a small stab', but so far consistent with his current defense.

 

@Turin - See post regarding mentor.

 

 

I didn't intend it to be a trap. The point was that if you were mafia then you wouldn't be concerned with your teammates turning on you.

 

I'm with him on the whole 'trap' thing.

 

 

Oh please you knew tge trap. Just admit it and stop pretending to be obtuse

 

Why wouldn't I admit it? To what gain? So you assume me town if you think I'm setting up traps. Or know I'm town?

 

 

It genuinely wasn't a trap. What else do you want me to say? Either way I think it's pretty clear the point I was making.

 

I didn't intend it to be a trap. The point was that if you were mafia then you wouldn't be concerned with your teammates turning on you.

 

That was the point of that post. 

 

If you want to continue trying to make something out of that specific post then go ahead but can't say I'm going to take too much notice.

 

More of the same

 

Cont.

[John Snow]

 

You obviously didn't take too much notice in it considering you ignored my response to your question in the first place.

 

And genuine or not with your purpose of it, the fact that you left it out with your quotes is pretty suspicious to me as well.

 

Of all the things you could've found suspicious that was what caught your eye? Why??

 

Admits that there were suspicious things in his post, here. Strikes me as odd.

 

Left it out because I thought it was unimportant and irrelevant to the point I was making to Mish.

 

Not much to note

 

 

You mean by turning the attention from you to Mish?

 

Like I said, your argument was noted.

 

No.

 

 

I'm

going to take this time now to say that the Basel game we just played

was the first game I'd played on DM in a long while and was unaware that

you guys had decided to go and make it an unwritten rule. Doesn't stop

me from thinking it's a bad policy, but I wasn't "feigning ignorance".

 

Explains himself, though later than he should have. He should have got the impression that it's a unwritten rule sooner.

 

Gong Xi Fa Cai to all! Happy Chinese New Year

 

Spam

 

Still haven't seen Princess Bride..

 

Spam.

 

 

All

and all, I buy it. He was a little late in his realization, but I'd say

that more town than scum. His defense is consistent, so it's not like

he was grasping at straws. If he was scum, one could reason his

scummates would have informed him of the err of his ways sooner, as it

was getting him unhelpful attention. Also, he would have been more

worried about how it was making him look if he was scum. His lack of

defense in the last few posts is noteworthy, but I've got a town read on

him.

 

Oh, and Turin, don't even try to pull what I know you will if you get him lynched.

ISO on Turin coming up soon.

[Turin Turambar]

Last one for today

Yo

check in

 

 

Peace is scum.

You make a case yet no vote?

interesting.

 

 

All good

this thread isnt telling me its updating either

hmm...buddying or defending?

not sure what he is saying here

 

 

Your skimming peace. I dont even know if im officially in the game yet

either referedto my previous post of not having a role pm

Lol..how would I know if you got your PM in between times you posted...settle down there pup.

still not sure about him. but a little bit of badass Peace.

 

A link for any first timers out there.

 

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/76698-new-player-tips-and-information/

helpful link.

 

 

Peace is still scum

 

 

>Peace is almost alwats mafia

 

Here...let me fix those for you guys.  Peace is almost always scummy.

 

Rand on the other had is most definitely scum.  VOTE RAND.

 

picks on rand who was pinging already

 

It may be the drugs I'm on (been sick for 6 days) but I don't see what the deal is with Tinks post.  It makes sense to me.  We can case the newb all we want..but if we find him scummy, save him for day 2 lynch.

 

How does he learn if scummy actions arent pointed out?  What's difficult about this?

 

And really, it looks like people are just upping their posts counts by arguing a null issue anyway.  FOS a few of you.

drug induced odd post.

 

Bah..Turin..it is the drugs.  I mix you two up at times.  My post should have said Turin, not Tink.  That explains Andrej's reaction.

 

Andrej is this your first mafia game or just your first one here?

admission of drug use.report for urinalysis.

Asks AJ about being first game. Already asked and answered.

 

Rand..the fact that you are even thinking about how your votes/unvote are gonna be intrepreted makes you scummy.  Town don't worry about how they look.  They just play. Scum worry.  Rand is scum.

 

Oh..and are you gonna OMGUS everyone who points a finger at you?

Valid questions for Rand

 

 

Lurking isnt good either

i didnt see snows post, phone doesnt tell me of updates, but that is a sly little vote. Mafia will ofteen say they have reasons they will explain leter but they never do

I expect to see thosevreasons in full later ot major ping

Sly is right.  Says he needs more time to go over everything yet throws in a vote?

questions for snow, the vote before casing was noted by others as well.

 

Not sure about Peace. I would like to hear his current thoughts on Tiink and also on AJ.

[Turin Turambar]

Turin, my point was not that you were buddying--it's that I was not buddying to you. The claim of me buddying to you is about as strong of you buddying to Tiink with your one post.

About to go over Tiink's posts.

The buddying is in the eye of the beholder.  I had the impression you were. We can see what else happens. There is plenty of day left.

[John Snow]

Turin's ISO is going to have to wait, i'll do it in a hour or two; something came up.

[dapianoplay3r]

I'm going to take this time now to say that the Basel game we just played was the first game I'd played on DM in a long while and was unaware that you guys had decided to go and make it an unwritten rule. Doesn't stop me from thinking it's a bad policy, but I wasn't "feigning ignorance".

BS. In the game we both just played in it was mentioned

 

Therefore we dont have to give the D1 free pass...?

 

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/78606-advanced-forsaken-in-the-white-tower-town-wins/?p=2750846

 

And a whole bunch if you follow that link. Right in the middle of your posts

 

 

Still haven't seen Princess Bride..

This is an issue for me. You should change that before we play again or ill lynch you on principle

[dapianoplay3r]

Right Snow. Im leaning towards a mafia vibe on you more and more. FIrst you vote tiink, but after going back you say no Turin. Now you look at Tiink and decide actually town. You even go as far to defend him slightly now

 

Then Turin. While i like a wall of quotes myself. I feel like the ones you have done are unnecessary. The ones on Tiink, and peace and people who have actually posted are good. But all those people with only like 5 posts, I think quoting them all wasnt needed, especially this early in the game. A simple post about all the inactive would of been ok IMO

It makes me wonder why you took the time to do them all like that'

I am still leaning town on you

[Tiinker]

 

I'm going to take this time now to say that the Basel game we just played was the first game I'd played on DM in a long while and was unaware that you guys had decided to go and make it an unwritten rule. Doesn't stop me from thinking it's a bad policy, but I wasn't "feigning ignorance".

BS. In the game we both just played in it was mentioned

 

Yeah, and as you should recall I was mafia so I DIDN'T G.A.F. 

[Turin Turambar]

I looked at that game you mentioned Dap. Tiink was in it and had posted on the page that the D1 pass was discussed. It sounds like Tiink at best misremembered the discussion. That is very incriminating IMO.

 

You think that Snow is more likely mafia than Tiink? I think that they could very well both be mafia.

 

TBH I noted that LZM and TG had said basically nothing the entire game and decided to look at everyone that had 10 posts or less. I did find it interesting to see how many "joke" votes there were. Just like I don't really believe in the FoS I don't really believe that joke votes are really nothing but a joke. I think mafia uses them to fulfill a purpose and that town can use them to vote someone they think is mafia without giving the reason they think so. I have done both myself on occasion. So it may not have been as important as it could have been but I  did find out some things I had forgotten so for me it was worthwhile.

 

Actually watching Princess Bride right now on BBC America. Love that movie.

[dapianoplay3r]

Oh no i think tiink is sounding very scummy. I just wanted to see what he said to that

[Andrej]

Yet no vote Dap?

[dapianoplay3r]

Finding someone scummy doesnt mean ill vote them. I like to wait until im sure

if i put a vote on him and have to go somewhere and he gets lynched, i dont know if im ok with that.

I only vote if i would be prepared to vote like it was the hammer

[Tiinker]

I looked at that game you mentioned Dap. Tiink was in it and had posted on the page that the D1 pass was discussed. It sounds like Tiink at best misremembered the discussion. That is very incriminating IMO.

 

 

 

 

I'm going to take this time now to say that the Basel game we just played was the first game I'd played on DM in a long while and was unaware that you guys had decided to go and make it an unwritten rule. Doesn't stop me from thinking it's a bad policy, but I wasn't "feigning ignorance".

BS. In the game we both just played in it was mentioned

 

Yeah, and as you should recall I was mafia so I DIDN'T G.A.F. 

[dapianoplay3r]

You realise now that if you are skimming at all this game, not GAF in this game, or anytthiing of that sort, that quote can be used against you

[dapianoplay3r]

Still its BS. Even skimming or not caring you would of seen it mentioned

[peacesells]

There is definitely a connection between Snow and Tink.  Tink coming across very scummy.  Snow's case on him then vote on Turin then defense of Tink has me sitting on the fence between buddying and defending.

 

Either way that would make Snow scum...not sure what that makes of Tink.  Yet. 

[dapianoplay3r]

Either way that would make snow scum....

 

Explain that please

[Tiinker]

You realise now that if you are skimming at all this game, not GAF in this game, or anytthiing of that sort, that quote can be used against you

 

Go for it. If I play bad and act scummy then I'll take being lynched. 

[dapianoplay3r]

Care to comment on the rest of the the stuff against you or on the others?

[peacesells]

Either way that would make snow scum....

 

Explain that please

Yeah, that wasn't clear.

 

He could be either defending a scum partner or buddying up to a town player.  Both make him scum. 

[dapianoplay3r]

I disagree lol. Ask turin. Last time he killed me for that i was town

but i see where you were heading

[Andrej]

Considering that several times in Snow's argument he noted that Tiink has different ideas regarding the D1 pass, I would think more defending than buddying. I'm on my phone and will try to multi quote but bear with me.

[dapianoplay3r]

My phone doesnt let me multi qupte :(

[Andrej]

I've never tried with mine, but I'll give it a try. If not, then take note on Snow's explanations after each of Tiink's quotes. In some he says that Tiink appears not to know what a pass was, in others that he had knowledge. It highlights Tiink's contradictory nature in this game and by Snow sticking with his defense of such obvious things is suspicious to me.

[Andrej]

Yeah, quote doesn't work.