[ADVANCED] KaeKey Game of Thrones Mafia - GAME OVER! NIGHT'S WATCH WINS!

[Red2111]

i also have to agree that Led goign silent is very ping worthy. his profile shows posts done today, yet not even a word in this game thread, even to post "hey guys catching up"

[RandA lThor]

its an advanced game, i'm not goign to assume anyones town except for myself and Nol at this point. and given its an advanced game, i'll likley not consider Nol 100% confirmed tomorrow JIC theres a recruiting faction. he'd be the best target for rectruiting imo. but the role "innocent child" makes him sound liek a tree stump tbh, unrecruitable, maybe even unlynchable. discussing this is WIFOM, but he is last on my list of possible scum and will stay last until i see reason to believe otherwise.

 

O.o what is this?

 

a recruiting faction is a faction that is able to recruit people generally each night or every other night to join their team.

[hazelkrs1]

Woo! This game be active! And the great thing is it isn't a lot of spam either.

 

So right now my suspect list is Red, Razen, Darthe, and BG.

 

Honestly I have a pretty strong anti-town read on Red, but I don't want to vote her yet since I want her to continue playing, and not emo out again

 

Razen seems crazy scummy to me. I'll get to the specifics later, but I'm pretty sure he's scum. Unfortunately, not many people are paying attention to me about him so although I'll case him, I'll also prob have to move my vote elsewhere for now

 

BG has played a strange game for himself. FOS'ing Red for such a strange thing he should have seen as a joke earlier, then trying to say we should vote inactives?!?!?! THIS early in the game? Hell no Mr. Scummer.

 

Darthe tho, has set off multiple pings, and I've noticed that others are suspicious of him as well. Let's get this train rollin

 

Vote Darthe

[Red2111]

Cyan. sometimes in games, especially in advanced games. the scum have a recruit. theres also whats called a cult, which wins when they recruit the majority. given the win conditions that were posted in the OP, i'm thinking there isnt a cult (thank god) but a scum recruit is a possability in the back of my mind.

[John E. Kelley]

Fair enough. This is Kae and Key we're talking about, anything is possible.

 

But I still can't see a scenario where some Stark's are Town and some are scum, or even third party.

 

Although recruiting factions are always a possiblity. The Night's Watch maybe? Which brings me back to John Snow.....

[RandA lThor]

OK, really Des? Red can take a vote, she isn't some fragile piece of glass. She took a break because people were voting her on meta alone which was unfair to her since her meta is so different.

[Red2111]

Despo thats a weak reason not to bring pressure to me.

[beanie]

Cyan. sometimes in games, especially in advanced games. the scum have a recruit. theres also whats called a cult, which wins when they recruit the majority. given the win conditions that were posted in the OP, i'm thinking there isnt a cult (thank god) but a scum recruit is a possability in the back of my mind.

 

Aah ok thank you. Is there a way to protect against recruititing?

[ed2funy]

Seeing as the Mods gave us the Win Conditions, if there was a recruiting ability, i'd assume it to be a one-time thing with the Mafia.

 

And all this other talk of Factions is moot. *pokes JLM* Moot.

 

Town win condition: You win with the town when all threats to the town have been removed.

 

Mafia win condition: You win when you gain a voting majority.If some of your role pm win conditions are worded differently, it was my mistake.

 

THESE ARE THE CORRECT WIN CONDITIONS.

[ed2funy]

Cyan. sometimes in games, especially in advanced games. the scum have a recruit. theres also whats called a cult, which wins when they recruit the majority. given the win conditions that were posted in the OP, i'm thinking there isnt a cult (thank god) but a scum recruit is a possability in the back of my mind.

 

 

Ninja'd

[Red2111]

i stopped playing cause of meta, but continued not playing due to RL getting buisy. i'm stil not sure i'm goign to continue playing after this game cause its taking alot of extra energy just to keep up in this one and the wedding is steadily getting closer. i've got to start putting more time into it eventually, esepcially once i get to making the center pieces and stuff.

 

 

Fair enough. This is Kae and Key we're talking about, anything is possible.

 

But I still can't see a scenario where some Stark's are Town and some are scum, or even third party.

 

Although recruiting factions are always a possiblity. The Night's Watch maybe? Which brings me back to John Snow.....

 

 

see, if we have a recruit i think its more of a single scum recruit rather than cult. they posted win conditions in the OP, nothign about a solo or cult. doesn't mean its not there, but means its less likely imo.

[John E. Kelley]

All I can say, is that if there is a Cult, which doesn't seem evident at this point, I will be dissolving both of my Bonds.

 

Truth. I f***ing hate Cults.

[hazelkrs1]

Okay and to weigh in on other matters briefly:

 

The train on Mr. Snow built up out of nowhere. Never really saw anything scummy from him, yet bandwagoners were leaping on like crazy there for a minute. Will examine that train later

 

On CC'ing: There's really two sides to this argument, it's not like one person's definitely correct. Obviously, Nolder's school of thought is that mafia, being a numbers game, always makes sense to have someone CC cause even if they do end up getting killed, it still ensures at least one scum goes down with them. 1 for 1, even if it's a power role, still tends to favor town most of the time.

 

The other school of thought is that it's more advantageous to NOT CC because of the info that can be gained from it. For instance, seeing which people either insantly accept the claim or slyly try to act suspicious of it, or even call out for a CC, can be some useful info. Not only that, but being able to get rid of that person, or prove them a liar without having to CC, not only takes some skill, but can also keep other town PR's alive while still bagging scum. I happen to agree with this school of thought, incidentally.

 

The problem here is that the info that CAN be obtained by not CC'ing, and gauging reactions to a false claim, isn't necessarily foolproof. Plus, since neither Mr. Snow or EP claimed a role, it would be much harder to prove them liars.

 

Either way, it's up to the person whether or not they want to CC, and if they decide not to it doesn't automatically make them stupid

[Red2111]

Cyan. sometimes in games, especially in advanced games. the scum have a recruit. theres also whats called a cult, which wins when they recruit the majority. given the win conditions that were posted in the OP, i'm thinking there isnt a cult (thank god) but a scum recruit is a possability in the back of my mind.

 

Aah ok thank you. Is there a way to protect against recruititing?

 

np.

 

 

way to protect against recruiting, no not generally. sometimes Mods will make some characters unrecruitable, or only a % chance recruitable. some games have had a recruit disolving role, which puts the user back to their original alignment. some Mods, if they have a cult they'll add ina finder to try and locate them.

 

but generally, theres no way to block it, outside of a Role Blocker getting lucky, and you generally dont know about the cult until a corner report flips and lets us know. most times, a recruiting is done behind the scenes.

[Red2111]

i actually agree with Desp about the train on John. i think that scum were either leading that or really pushing it hard. hecne another reason why i'm not buying EP as town, he was a really huge driving force on Johns train.

 

 

i think theres loads of info to be gained off of examining Johns train.

 

btw Ed, you still having told me why you thought that just cause John claimed, it would be fruitless to re-examine him.

 

and i still dont get what info Tress saw aroudn John 1/3rd into a re-read at page 25

[ed2funy]

I said there was no need, but I was already half-way through it and finished it.

There was no need to, imo, because I didn't see why they were voting him. But I didn't want to say that, because it sounds like trying to hop on to his side to sound more Town. No offense, Despo. I agree with you, and the way you worded it, I actually didn't get that vibe from you.

[hazelkrs1]

As for the mod confirmed townie and whether or not their words carry more weight, they do and they don't. Any vetted townie can be trusted not to be against the town obviously, which means that their posts don't have to be measured with the same amount of paranoia as other posts. They can still wifom, but it is most likely a "good" kind of wifom, to protect info about their role or something.

 

Now, they still don't know any more than the rest of us, so the people they're suspicious of aren't automatically scum. But you can be assured that the confirmed townie is genuinely suspicious of those people.

[John E. Kelley]

Convenient, that only after Mr. Snow revealed, that suddenly Red, Despo, and Ed come out in support of him. They had nothing to say while the train built.

 

Just interesting to me.

[Red2111]

if your town you shoudln't be afraid of callign out a bogus wagon. just sayin.

[Red2111]

Convenient, that only after Mr. Snow revealed, that suddenly Red, Despo, and Ed come out in support of him. They had nothing to say while the train built.

 

Just interesting to me.

 

 

interesting, how the train, claim and people bailing happened while i wans't on DM, isn't it

[hazelkrs1]

OK, really Des? Red can take a vote, she isn't some fragile piece of glass. She took a break because people were voting her on meta alone which was unfair to her since her meta is so different.

Despo thats a weak reason not to bring pressure to me.

 

Sorry, it might not be that fair, and perhaps I was a bit too brusque in bringing it up the way I did, but I really was mainly trying to poke fun while also making my point.

 

And I stand by it. I would love to vote Red, but I figure letting her get into the groove a bit might make it more likely that she'll stay in the game. I enjoy playing with her, and I think she makes games fun. Plus, I could easily be wrong about her and giving her a bit more time could end up allowing her to sway me from my suspicions.

[Nolder]

As I argued before, may not be a dumb move.

You argued for role claiming

I am talking about character claiming

 

This has already been pointed out to you, why are we going over it again?

 

OK, fine different argument if you don't want to look at that. If someone knows they're lying scum, they can obvserve their interactions now that they know, and possibly net some more scum.

That is incredibly risky even putting aside things like daykills and executioners and silencers and whatnots

 

If anyone let's scum claim their role and doesn't counterclaim I am going to give them a hard time

The benefit is not worth the risk

[hazelkrs1]

Convenient, that only after Mr. Snow revealed, that suddenly Red, Despo, and Ed come out in support of him. They had nothing to say while the train built.

 

Just interesting to me.

 

 

interesting, how the train, claim and people bailing happened while i wans't on DM, isn't it

 

Basically this. You know I sleep during the day Ishy. Had I been around when I saw all the bandwagon votes, I would have said something then.

[keyholder21]

I'll have a vote count up as soon as I get home, lovelies. Didn't expecr to be busy for this long heh.

[hazelkrs1]

As I argued before, may not be a dumb move.

You argued for role claiming

I am talking about character claiming

 

This has already been pointed out to you, why are we going over it again?

 

OK, fine different argument if you don't want to look at that. If someone knows they're lying scum, they can obvserve their interactions now that they know, and possibly net some more scum.

That is incredibly risky even putting aside things like daykills and executioners and silencers and whatnots

 

If anyone let's scum claim their role and doesn't counterclaim I am going to give them a hard time

The benefit is not worth the risk

 

That's a stupid stance Nol.

 

What if someone could CC, but doesn't. Then by lying in the wings for a while, they determine EXACTLY who else is on the mafia team, then finally either CC or just come out and get each of those people lynched, and essentially win town the game on their own.

 

Even then the benefits don't outweigh the risks?

 

You look at this game too black and white