[TOWN WINS!] BG's Basic Wheel of Time Books Mafia

[hazelkrs1]

I'm still sure Lily is Mafia. She is either sacrificing you because she has a more powerful role, or you might even end up flipping Town lol.

 

But, on the offchance that you are actually Town, and the even slighter off chance that you might be useful to Town - the difference in rules means you need to start assuming you is gonna get deaded in this lynch atm. I thought I would be a good sport and let you know. You or lily anyways, but I don't think Lily will be allowed to die.

 

Some scummy speculation here, as well as scummy manipulation your part Ithi. This comes up several times as well in your following interaction with EP.

 

Yeah, I don't think I can really use the L-x idea here since it's not random, it can turn into majority and therefore if no one else votes me I can still get lynched. So here is my reveal, I am New Spring, vanilla town. So no, I really won't be that helpful town and yes you will get info from my lynch. However, Lily is more likely to be mafia than I am and I would rather get a mafia lynch then a townie info lynch.

 

Dude, read the rules Rand. Since the rules about lynching got brought up anyways, you should have gone back to review them anyways.

 

You know, if people want to get rid a of a lot of the wifom in this game, and if Rand does the unlikely thing and manages to pull some great claim out of the bag - but people still don't want to see the Lily case, you should all just flip your votes to me.

 

I will get lynched, be shown as town (which will clear a lot of wifom) and then you can all lynch Lily tomorrow. It's all about the Team win in this game

 

My God this is scummy. Offering yourself up as a martyr for town? "It's all about the Team"?

 

 

Oh ... he was saying that I had shut up and had let Turin take over for me, when in fact I just went to bed. I am between 5 and 8 hours ahead of the US and it was gone midnight. So yes, there were about 7 hours when I didn't post in this game.

 

I wasn't referring to when you had stopped posting. When he first entered the game, you were still up. He instantly started defending you, and you completely went along with it. You seemed to be completely okay with him defending you, nevermind that we're not supposed to know each other's alignments so you don't know if he was defending you just to look townie himself. I personally always find it odd when others come in and defend me, often they end up being scum; like Nolder in BG's Smash Bros game.

 

I was waiting to see who would point out that Rand had broken the Rules. Only the Mafia would want another player possibly Modkilled for rule breaking as a Town would be worried they could end up getting the Doc or Cop killed by pointing out the error. Add to that EP has done exactly as I predicted and is protecting Lily from the Lynch.

 

I strongly recommend the Lily Lynch to everyone who is Town based on this additional evidence. If she flips Town I will not put up a fight if you lynch me the next day. You may all totally blame me if I am wrong and say it was my fault you voted for her.

 

More just awful pings here. How can you claim this as a townie move? Let's assume for a second Lily IS town. Let's also assume you are town as well. You're giving mafia a completely bs reason to pile on to her lynch and try to blame it on you. That is so anti-town, it's nuts. And once again offering yourself up for the lynch, I don't like it. And the way you are defending Rand so much all of a sudden also makes me really think you are both teammates.

 

If no one agrees with me on my recent Rand stuff I'll move to Lily. Like you saif, it will clear up your wifom if noting else. I just really think Rand is scum.

 

This is also scummy. EP, why let yourself be so malleable? Seems like you're just trying to show that you'll go with the flow; with whatever town wants.

 

Vote Lily now - and if people agree with the Rand stuff, you can move to him.

 

Manipulation. You don't control anyone else's votes, stop telling others how to vote.

 

I do think either Lily, Rand or Ithi is scum. Leaning more on Lily and Rand. To be honest, I don't care much who gets lynched, even if it's a townie, because a lynch would give us lots to go on. If a townie is lynched, then we can look at who voted and how that train happened. I hate stumbling around in the dark, and that's how it feels like now. I do feel bad if we end up lynching an innocent, but anything to give us something at all to work with.

 

I also think some of the inactives are suspicious. I know I go under that category, but I've tried to get a bit involved at least.

 

Also, thanks for involving me EP! ^^

 

To the bolded: ?!?!?!

 

Why would you say something like that?

 

Do you not think that if you haven't actually been following the game it would be better for you to unvote, than stick with your vote that you freely admit is lazy bad play?

 

If it goes to deadline then it will be the person with the highest votes who get lynched. If you can't be bothered to make sure you have a vote you actually believe in, you have no business in voting at all.

 

I don't think Nol ever said he didn't believe Rand was mafia. More attempts at manipulating other's votes from you Ithi. You're digging your own grave here.

 

If no one agrees with me on my recent Rand stuff I'll move to Lily. Like you saif, it will clear up your wifom if noting else. I just really think Rand is scum.

 

No one agreed with you. By your own statement, you should now be voting Lily. I wonder why you are not

 

 

So when very few people are posting, and it's pretty much just you and EP discussing things, you pull this stunt? I'm very surprised at your sloppy play this game Ithi.

 

EP, what is "your" case on Rand? I don't recall you making one.

 

Also, FYI I have caught Lily saying her vote could be taken as OMGUS before when it couldn't. At the time the person she voted (me) was voting one of her scummates. Pretty sure Lily and Des are scum together.

 

 

Wrong again Wombat. I don't know how many games you're going to consecutively believe I'm scum and be wrong till you finally realize you have no idea how to read me.

 

Rand has been towntelling lately imo. Also something interesting to notice is that no one has pointed out my legit 180 on Lily (prompted by Ithi's case). Instead they have been pointing out my slight change of opinion on Ithi.

 

I don't remember you ever having a town read on Lily. Care to pull up some quotes to back that up? Your "slight change of opinion" on Ithi WAS a complete 180, btw, it was obvious for anyone to see. If you did change your stance on Lily it was much further apart then your 180 on Ithi, which was only separated by 4 posts.

 

Ithi/Rand/Wombat/Turin.

 

Book it.

 

 

 

See, I can do that too Wombat

[hazelkrs1]

TL;DR version: Ithi is pinging hardcore again, trying to manipulate other's votes, and offering herself up for lynch.

 

EP is trying to look like he's going with the flow.

 

Wombat is trying to downplay his 180 on Ithi as a "slight change of opinion"

[Gabriel Kross]

I'm not going with the flow Desp, what about my posts look that way, I was trying to be a voice of reason.

[Gabriel Kross]

Lol one post? lol. It wasn't that I was trying to go with the flow. I never said I wouldn't vote Lily, I just had a stronger feeling on Rand.

[Ithillian Turambar]

lol ... It was a quarter to midnight when Turin came on and I had been drinking. I was about to go to bed when he came on. I hadn't expected him to be around as he usually doesn't finish work till well after midnight for me. I was just pleased to see him tbh.

 

Did you not even like the fact that I had actualy done a proper grown up multiquote casing thingumy?

[Ithillian Turambar]

I am totaly trying to get people to vote Lily with me though, I would not have bothered doing a case on her if I did not strongly feel it was going to pay off - and I can not achieve a lynch on my own.

[bgrishinko]

Official Vote Count:

 

 

Lily(9): Peace, Ithi, Rand, Turin, Misheru, Wombat, Tiinker, GF, EP

Rand(6): Nightstrike, Nolder, Despo, Darthe, Kae, Lily,

 

Kae(1): JohnSnow

Tiinker(1): Lulz

Misheru(1): Thorum

 

Not Voting (2): Alanna, Wot13

 

With 20 alive it takes 11 to lynch.

 

Deadline is Wednesday @ Noon CT.

 

http://timeanddate.c...04&msg=Deadline

 

 

Sorry, I haven't been around. Got unexpectantly busy. Good thing I have proteges keeping up on Vote Counts.

 

Rand has violated the rules either by claiming his character or fake claiming a character. I'm currently contemplating on an appropriate judgement.

[hazelkrs1]

Lol one post? lol. It wasn't that I was trying to go with the flow. I never said I wouldn't vote Lily, I just had a stronger feeling on Rand.

 

That's exactly my point, you stated a willingness to vote for Ithi if others didn't agree with you about Rand. That means you're just trying to go with the flow.

 

lol ... It was a quarter to midnight when Turin came on and I had been drinking. I was about to go to bed when he came on. I hadn't expected him to be around as he usually doesn't finish work till well after midnight for me. I was just pleased to see him tbh.

 

Did you not even like the fact that I had actualy done a proper grown up multiquote casing thingumy?

 

Well, I guess it could have been cause you were drinking, but either way you were completely happy to let him defend you. I know he's your warder, but you don't know if he could be mafia or not. What if he was, and ended up dying before you? Because you were completely okay with his supporting you, that would end up making you look bad. Which is why I said I usually don't like it when others defend me.

 

As for your multiquote post, I didn't mind that at all lol. I just thought it was a weak case. 95% of it was focused on the posts of hers that were focused on you. Of course you would take exception to those and try to make those look bad to make yourself look better. Better cases involve impartiality, and your cases didn't really contain that. You made a few good points, but imo you tried pulling too many quotes. Casing can be done on town as well as on mafia.

 

I am totaly trying to get people to vote Lily with me though, I would not have bothered doing a case on her if I did not strongly feel it was going to pay off - and I can not achieve a lynch on my own.

 

I don't mind that you want people to vote her, the way you've been doing that is incredibly manipulative tho. And offering yourself as the scapegoat if she flips town is also very anti-town. If you're town you shouldn't give the mafia such an easy lynch tomorrow in case you're wrong

[Ithillian Turambar]

I think they were actually ALL of her posts - apart from another one where she asked Tiinker again about what he thought of me. So if they all look like she was focusing on me, it's because she was just focusing on me.

[Gabriel Kross]

Lol one post? lol. It wasn't that I was trying to go with the flow. I never said I wouldn't vote Lily, I just had a stronger feeling on Rand.

 

That's exactly my point, you stated a willingness to vote for Ithi if others didn't agree with you about Rand. That means you're just trying to go with the flow.

 

I did? When did I do that?

 

I also stated earlier that if Rand was town, Lily was getting my vote day 2.

[wheeloftime13]

Well... just woke up and read through, but it seems that to keep from a random lynch happening, I must vote Lily

[Gabriel Kross]

There won't be random as stated in rules and several times throughout the thread, you are mafia if lily is for hiding behind a false reason such as that.

[wheeloftime13]

woops... I didn't see that there will be no random. I feel so stupid.

[hazelkrs1]

I think they were actually ALL of her posts - apart from another one where she asked Tiinker again about what he thought of me. So if they all look like she was focusing on me, it's because she was just focusing on me.

 

I didn't say she wasn't focusing on you, but the way you quoted so many of her posts to discredit what she was saying about you wasn't very impartial casing.

 

She was def focusing on you, but the manner in which you tried to case her just seemed like defensiveness to me, not like you were pointing out many actual scum slips.

 

Lol one post? lol. It wasn't that I was trying to go with the flow. I never said I wouldn't vote Lily, I just had a stronger feeling on Rand.

 

That's exactly my point, you stated a willingness to vote for Ithi if others didn't agree with you about Rand. That means you're just trying to go with the flow.

 

I did? When did I do that?

 

I also stated earlier that if Rand was town, Lily was getting my vote day 2.

 

I meant to say Lily, my bad.

 

And that second post is just setting up for a lynch tomorrow. Like it would matter anyways, looks like Lily is getting lynched today.

 

Well... just woke up and read through, but it seems that to keep from a random lynch happening, I must vote Lily

 

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How much are you skimming WoT? We've been talking about the fact that there WON'T be a random lynch in this game multiple times.

[Tiinker]

And yet, you're not unvoting.

[hazelkrs1]

Sorry, got ninja'd.

 

So WoT, apart from voting for Lily for deadline purposes, who do you ACTUALLY think could be scum?

[wheeloftime13]

unvote I think that Rand is scum to be honest

[wheeloftime13]

curse the fact that there's no editing... and as for the skimming... I go away for a few hours and I come back and there are like three to four more pages, so it's kinda hard to find where i left off.

[hazelkrs1]

If you think Rand is the more scummy, why aren't you voting for him?

[bgrishinko]

1 HOUR TILL DEADLINE

[Ithillian Turambar]

Apart from the Rules have been there since the very begining lol.

[wheeloftime13]

Holy crud! I can't do chores and this at the same time... Imma sum things up... yes, I was stupid and thought that there would be a random lynch, so I voted for Lily... yes, I think that Rand is scummy, I just haven't gotten around to voting for him yet because my mom has be doing chores, so I'm trying to multitask... vote Rand

is this ok?

[Gabriel Kross]

Holy crud! I can't do chores and this at the same time... Imma sum things up... yes, I was stupid and thought that there would be a random lynch, so I voted for Lily... yes, I think that Rand is scummy, I just haven't gotten around to voting for him yet because my mom has be doing chores, so I'm trying to multitask... vote Rand

is this ok?

 

I dunno, did your mafia buddies say it was ok?

[Ithillian Turambar]

I'd rather you voted Lily, that would be my preference completely. Is this your first game, or did you play the 'soft' mafia game at the WT - or any other games here on DM or elsewhere?

 

I'm sorry if you think me prying, but I try not to be too harsh on noobs because I remember how awful it can feel and I think you are quite new?

[wheeloftime13]

Yes, I played in the White Tower and got Night Killed on the second night.... and I'm town for your info.... I'm my favorite in the series. This is my first mafia game if you can call it that, although I'm playing another one in the Artist's group