[TOWN WINS!] BG's Basic Wheel of Time Books Mafia

[Ithillian Turambar]

you just said I was the only one who did speak to you about it ... make your mind up, or at least read stuff that you write just a couple of minutes ago.

 

[Gabriel Kross]

Also I made my case against Lily late last night, so have clearly not been tunnelling her forever. Another sloppy statement.

Oh so you not pointing fingers at her since she casted doubt on you is to be disregarded? Sloppy statement is yours.

 

remove the not, not sure why I put it in there lol.

[Ithillian Turambar]

Am I tunnelling since forever, or am I just pointing fingers because she doubted me? I think you are giving yourself whiplash.

[Gabriel Kross]

you just said I was the only one who did speak to you about it ... make your mind up, or at least read stuff that you write just a couple of minutes ago.

 

 

You did not get into discussion though, you conveniently vanished until like 10 minutes ago

[Gabriel Kross]

Am I tunnelling since forever, or am I just pointing fingers because she doubted me? I think you are giving yourself whiplash.

Pointing fingers is the start of tunneling in my book, you were just to afraid to vote her since you already pointed fingers at Desp and Rand for weak reasons, you had to pass some time before you could unvote.

[Gabriel Kross]

I'm in a no win situation, had I voted Lily you would have been all "you changed your opinion rather fast" but since I put my vote back on rand you went all "scummy scummy not voting Lily" you have been doing this all day nobody can disagree with you and be town in your book it's annoying and a very wrong way to play.

[Ithillian Turambar]

I'm at work and am currently on my lunch. This is all very useful though. Thank you. I recommend you unvote and vote Lily. I recommended that when you made your case on Rand. We discussed it, you unvoted and said that if no-one agreed with your case, you would vote Lily.

 

Why don't you want to vote Lily, EP? Is there something you know that you are not telling us?

[Graendals favourite]

Unvote I think Lily is the best bet. There's several hours till the deadline if I recall.

[Gabriel Kross]

It's not that I don't want to vote Lily, just of the 2 I find Rand scummier. Like I said before if I'm wrong Lily get's my vote day 2 I see some of the points you made as legitemate, but some I see as you casing her just because she thinks you're scum. No one has added to that to make me any more sure of Lily being scum so I'm going with my gut

 

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Unvote I think Lily is the best bet. There's several hours till the deadline if I recall.

 

This however is complete BS why are you voting? Don't give me the deadline crap. If we lynch lily town or not you sir get my vote day 2. You know better than this.

 

Ithi if you want to have an unbiased conversation about why Lily is the better place to vote I'm all ears.

[Ithillian Turambar]

I made my case and I'm back off my lunch now ... you do what you want to do. I don't have time to entertain or cajole you. I think she is mafia, so I'm not sure what you mean by unbiased - I'm not going to say I don't think she is Mafia. I would prefer you voted Lily because I think she is Mafia.

[WWWwombat]

Lily/Des/EP

 

gg

[Graendals favourite]

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Unvote I think Lily is the best bet. There's several hours till the deadline if I recall.

 

This however is complete BS why are you voting? Don't give me the deadline crap. If we lynch lily town or not you sir get my vote day 2. You know better than this.

 

They are still somewhat tied. I don't see how it's insignificant whether we lynch town or scum.

[WWWwombat]

EP, what is "your" case on Rand? I don't recall you making one.

 

Also, FYI I have caught Lily saying her vote could be taken as OMGUS before when it couldn't. At the time the person she voted (me) was voting one of her scummates. Pretty sure Lily and Des are scum together.

[Gabriel Kross]

Ok, so you want me to vote her solely because you think she is mafia. by unbiased I meant willing to listen to both sides. Since your whole reason for wanting me to vote her is because you think she is mafia then it's really just an opinion. I could say I want you to vote Rand because I think he is mafia.

 

I will go with you, if she is not mafia, I will not support your further endeavors this game.

 

Unvote vote Lily.

[Gabriel Kross]

EP, what is "your" case on Rand? I don't recall you making one.

 

Also, FYI I have caught Lily saying her vote could be taken as OMGUS before when it couldn't. At the time the person she voted (me) was voting one of her scummates. Pretty sure Lily and Des are scum together.

 

It wasn't so much a case really it was maybe 4 quotes that really seemed scummy I'll go quote them.

[Gabriel Kross]

Ithi's already done a case on Lily, so I think I might do a case on Ithi since she is also on my list, and then I could use that to compare to what Lily's case was.

 

Prepare for....

 

MY FIRST EVER WoT!!!!

 

Sorry, I am really excited. :)

 

Do you guys read what I say? I said I was creating a WoT on Ithi so I could compare it to the one on Lily and then decide who was scummier.

 

First off the post you quoted just really is bad. It's not so much that people didn't read it it's you compared your WoT to someone else's WoT on someone else. There are just so many flaws with that.

 

1) Two different people have two different point of views, so if they took the time to do a WoT they are either just going through the motions or are trying to paint the person they are focused on to be the biggest piece of scum in the game. Your WoT felt more like going through the motions, Ithi's felt like she was trying to paint Lily as the evil scum overloard of the universe. Granted none of that alone says anything on Lily's or Ithi's alignment because Ithi's WoT would have been the same either way.

 

2) You made no reasons of your own for voting Lily so typical bandwagony, which you admitted it would be if you decided your WoT wasn't as good as Ithi's

 

3) The OMG YAY reaction is just horrid, and screams of trying to be to town.

 

Firstly, congrats.

 

Next, at this point, the lynch is probably going to be either Lily or I. Let me point out that the last votes were done because they didn't read something that I pointed out. My train is currently does not even have legitimate votes right now.

 

That's personal opinion. Just because no reasons were posted does not necesarily mean no reasons exist, we see Wombat do that all the time

 

Why are you scaremongering? There will be no random lynch in this game. Why don't people read the rules? BG clearly said that if a majority Lynch is not achieved before deadline, it will turn into a deadline game at that point and the person with the most votes will get lynched. Why else do you think Lily hopped over to Rand - she just needs to make sure someone else has more votes than her and she is safe. That person is you Rand. Atm you is the one going to get dead. It isn't going to go Random. If there is a reason you need to live, you had best start thinking of it now.

 

Sorry, did not see that, I am too used to random. OK, as I am going to go to sleep and don't know if I will have time tomorrow because of school, I am thinking about revealing right now.

 

Ok, here is some pot vs kettle scenario, Rand called Ithi out earlier for not reading the opening post, turns out he slipped up himself and missed a big thing. You can't have it both ways there buddy. (Let the records show I only skimmed the opening post)

 

Yeah, I don't think I can really use the L-x idea here since it's not random, it can turn into majority and therefore if no one else votes me I can still get lynched. So here is my reveal, I am New Spring, vanilla town. So no, I really won't be that helpful town and yes you will get info from my lynch. However, Lily is more likely to be mafia than I am and I would rather get a mafia lynch then a townie info lynch.

 

Convenient claim since you broke the rules...

 

6. Do not reveal your characters. The theme is for a fun backdrop for scenes and whatnot, but won't interfere in with the game

(copy-pasted from OP)

 

My theory is he posted a character claim since he knew no one could counter. This is solely based on how he has played though. Lynching rand will clear up a few things. If he flips mafia, Ithi is mafia. If he flips town, I'll be inclined to believe Ithi. I am basing my read on Lily solely on recent games that I have teamed with her on on both sides. BG's previous game we were town masons together. Jack D's game on JN we were mafia together

 

I removed the irrelevant parts but this is it.

[WWWwombat]

Rand has been towntelling lately imo. Also something interesting to notice is that no one has pointed out my legit 180 on Lily (prompted by Ithi's case). Instead they have been pointing out my slight change of opinion on Ithi.

[WWWwombat]

Also, the fact that Lily didn't reveal already is really anti-town imo. She is forcing us to either back off or blind lynch her.

[Gabriel Kross]

So what are you saying as far as that last part? It's pretty apparent why, the way I read you earlier you were going to end up on Ithi or Lily in the end. I would like to know why you suddenly have a town read on Rand though, your case was what drew my attention back to Rand.

[Gabriel Kross]

Blah ninja'd.

[WWWwombat]

Rand has been doing pro-town things like arguing with logic and claiming when it gets close to deadline. I normally don't like vanilla claims but this game is small and we needed to know if he was a power role or not so in this case it was ok imo.

[Gabriel Kross]

*shrug* I had a town read on you after handling my mix up earlier so well, so if you say you can trust rand for now I'll go with you on it.

[WWWwombat]

I can't trust anyone. I just think Rand is town.

[hazelkrs1]

SOOOOO much to reply to. WoT incoming, I'll try to make it as brief as possible

[Gabriel Kross]

*shrug*