[BASIC] Terminator Mafia: TOWN AND SK WIN!

Basel Gill · June 11, 2012

Less than 24 hours remain until deadline.

Sedai · June 11, 2012

:(

Gabriel Kross · June 11, 2012

Can I get a current votecount before I go back and do a RR?

Basel Gill · June 11, 2012

It is Day 1. The deadline for reaching a majority is Monday, June 11th, at 9 PM EST. With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Vote count:

Peace (1): AJ

Kaylee (1): Maw

Jack (3): Lily, Poet, NS

BG (2): Kaylee, EP

Lily (2): Jack, Peace

Maw (1): Razen

Not voting: BG, Rand

http://timeanddate.c...0&sec=00&p0=422

No change since the last VC.

Gabriel Kross · June 11, 2012

K expect input from me once I get to work.

LilyElizabeth · June 11, 2012

Yeah, you do seem almost too bold to be a mafia. I don't know if a mafia would be likely to take such an active part in the debate as you have, considering there's probably (?) a finder or someone like that ... In my very limited experience that's something a mafia would fear, so I guess that speaks in your favor.

Found this on a reread. Trust me, Jack is that bold, aren't you, brother dear? :biggrin:

LilyElizabeth · June 11, 2012

@night I'm always bold and decisive. I like reactions and to generate posts. :)

I see you already admitted it. It's no fun to tease you when you agree. :P

RandA lThor · June 11, 2012

I am on vacation with no computer access, only phone so I literally cannot vote. I am on like a LOLA.

LilyElizabeth · June 11, 2012

I'm beginning to worry that we'll go random.

Kaylee · June 11, 2012

@Night why are you canvinced I'm mafia? It's only day one, I wasn't convinced Kay was mafia I was leaning that way so I voted. I wasn't convinced EP was mafia do I left my vote on him. I haven't really been convinced and I've had a lot more evidence then you've had to be convinced Im mafia so I'd like to know.

I just went back through my notes and don't see where you voted EP.

Jack, you just don't like it that I'm watching you. Deal.

You're blowing smoke. I didn't try to dissuade the talk, although I did see it as pointless, I'll admit. I didn't realize you were up to something. So, Kaylee isn't on your team, huh? I'm going to assume you're not dredging up the old gambit routine. It's possible that Rand is, given your "belief" that he is town. But we'll figure that out after we see how you flip. Unlike you, I don't try to figure out the whole team day one.

So you want to play the game, you want action, but when I play the game and try and get reactions I shouldn't play the game? Hmmm...

Why don't you try and find the whole team? That's the point of teh mafia. Sorry sis.

So me EP and Rand are on a team. Contradiction. Hmmm I thought that you didn't find the whole team on day 1

unvote and vote lily

This quote is where you unvoted me and voted Lily...is that what you meant in your above post?

It is Day 1. The deadline for reaching a majority is Monday, June 11th, at 9 PM EST. With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Vote count:

Peace (1): AJ

Kaylee (1): Maw

Jack (3): Lily, Poet, NS

BG (2): Kaylee, EP

Lily (2): Jack, Peace

Maw (1): Razen

Not voting: BG, Rand

http://timeanddate.c...0&sec=00&p0=422

No change since the last VC.

Added the most recent VC.

Gabriel Kross · June 11, 2012

Vote EP

11 is scum

Jack votes me for being in spot 11, still in joke vote phase so acceptableish

Vote Jack cuz I luves my brother.

Lily votes Jack (has more meaning later.

I've seen 12 people with 4 scum in a basic game. also 3 with SK. Hard to say this early, but at least 3 for sure.

talks about setup, in a basic game there will always be atleast 3 mafia so far as I've seen, stating the obvious isn't really that scummy, if this had been an advanced/epic game this would have been a bit more questionable

I've seen 12 people with 4 scum in a basic game. also 3 with SK. Hard to say this early, but at least 3 for sure.

This reads scummy. The at least 3 for sure reads like she knows it.

unvote and vote Kaylee

calls Kaylee out, with weak reasoning

We can speculate about the setup all we like, but the only way we're going to find out is to play. The basic outline that Jack gave for setup seems standard to me, but I don't want to go too much further, as we'd be gaming the mod if we're trying to guess exactly how Basel set the game up. The SK idea seems like it could be an interesting idea for a basic game in the future, though.

Well I'm trying to get the game started and also set a trap.

The basic theory of the "set-up" trap is that the mafia essentially know who and how many scum is on their team. So I'm trying to figure out if I can pick up some extra knowledge.

Well now you went and ruined it.

the discussion of Jack's "trap" BG's response looks scummy because BG usually won't make a comment like that without some kind of hidden meaning, again refer to the lolcats game, or even the pokemon game for examples

reaching a bit to early Jack? remember what happened the last time you took this kinda reach?

No I'm trying to play the game tbh. Make the most out of day 1.

Your post was actually more scummy then Kaylees

1) shrugging off an attempt by someone to start playing

2) your second sentence isn't valid. That was an epic game. This is a basic game different scenarios have different parameters. Apples to oranges

3) in a game where the majority doesn't know anything other then their own innocence how can you be so quick as to crumble up and discard any oppinion or case at this stage of the game.

I am willing to vote you or Kay at this time.

Here Jack overeacts to my joke, DM has this thing called a joke phase, whereas I disagree with the concept I will make a lighthearted joke ever now and then in early game

here it is.

We can speculate about the setup all we like, but the only way we're going to find out is to play. The basic outline that Jack gave for setup seems standard to me, but I don't want to go too much further, as we'd be gaming the mod if we're trying to guess exactly how Basel set the game up. The SK idea seems like it could be an interesting idea for a basic game in the future, though.

Well I'm trying to get the game started and also set a trap.

The basic theory of the "set-up" trap is that the mafia essentially know who and how many scum is on their team. So I'm trying to figure out if I can pick up some extra knowledge.

Well now you went and ruined it.

this feels like a HA nice way to fail post to me.

UNVOTE VOTE BG

I vote BG here, worded my reasoning a bit lazily

and I wasn't discrediting you Jack I was just making a joke at your expense I did not even FoS you, I like the speed start tbh

here I stated my earlier comment to Jack being a joke.

I don't get where Jack is going at all, which makes me doubt his alignment. I'm watching you, bro.

The thing that sticks out to me the most is EP. He seemed to be trying awfully hard to discredit Jack. One of these two is mafia. I'll keep my vote where it is until something better comes along.

here states her vote on Jack is now serious as apposed the "joke-vote" it previously was

Jack, thanks for trying to get things started, but there are a number of possibilities as to what the setup could be. I think there is probably 3 mafia, since that's pretty standard for a 12 player game, but beyond that, I don't have any opinions.

Sorry I started the Ospenya talk. I didn't mean for it to take off like that.

I think you did know where I was going. That's why you tried to dissuade the talk and also not tip your hand to extra knowledge like who scum is and how many.

Now that I picked out Kaylee, you are further pushing the idea away because I was spot on. My explanation on this strategy has been thorough so even if you didn't agree you would understand.

Town Lily would say "I see where you're coming from. I don't really agree (if you didnt agree) I think you're trying to make to much out of it." or "That's a good case, not enough to vote on but I'd like to see where this is going."

Mafia lily would want to stop gaming talk so no one would slip, and push against the "trap"

Mega play though. Run a lynch on me when I flip town run a lynch on EP. I'm not sure of EP anymore. You and Kaylee, well that's a different story.

<3

I apparently am not on Jack's radar anymore at this point, not sure what I did to clear myself...

I'm not so sure on the Kaylee thing only because we lynched her right away Day 1 last game and it was a mistake. I'm not so sure what she said was as scummy as some say. But I'll look again when I get home from work.

EP, I have my eye on you firebirdy. :P Then again I did last game and you ended up the finder. *sigh* :P

not sure where 1 game has a whole lot of bearing to another in lynch timing, I don't agree with the Kaylee option because there was not a legit case made. I likewise have my eye on you, I'm getting the same vibe I got from you in the lolcats game and you turned out mafia in that game, granted we only found you bcus of Kae's slip in that game but your posts this game have put you on my list

I don't get where Jack is going at all, which makes me doubt his alignment. I'm watching you, bro.

The thing that sticks out to me the most is EP. He seemed to be trying awfully hard to discredit Jack. One of these two is mafia. I'll keep my vote where it is until something better comes along.

I have not tried to discredit Jack at all I'm pretty sure I said I was making a joke at his expense before this post Lily you get mad about word twisting and words getting put in your mouth yet you did just the same

FoS for inconsistency, I will keep my vote on BG for now for the purpose of competeing trains

I FoS Lily here and state that I'm keeping my vote on BG for competeing trains 2 votes can be considered a train it' depends on the speed of the game we proved in the lolcats game that we can go from 2 votes to a lynch really fast so I will consider 2 votes a train

I don't get where Jack is going at all, which makes me doubt his alignment. I'm watching you, bro.

The thing that sticks out to me the most is EP. He seemed to be trying awfully hard to discredit Jack. One of these two is mafia. I'll keep my vote where it is until something better comes along.

I have not tried to discredit Jack at all I'm pretty sure I said I was making a joke at his expense before this post Lily you get mad about word twisting and words getting put in your mouth yet you did just the same

FoS for inconsistency, I will keep my vote on BG for now for the purpose of competeing trains

I wouldn't quite say we have trains yet, but I'm not sure that's a good reason to keep a vote anywhere. This kinda pings me. Just saying. :P

try to discredit my reasoning for not jumping on the Lily train.

My list so far is:

BG

Lily

Poet

BG is mostly just a gut feeling,

Lily has just been way to defensive this game, very unusual for a day 1 especially as early as the defensiveness started

Poet like BG is mostly a gut feeling.

I will move my vote from BG to Lily to consolidate but would be ok with a BG vote as well.

unvote vote lily

Gabriel Kross · June 11, 2012

bah I left out where Jack voted Lily for the OMGUS vote meh ohwell.

RandA lThor · June 11, 2012

ok, through all of EP's reasoning, I think BG is the scummiest with the trap and I also have seen thatin the lol ats gameBG did not make random posts. I would voteBG, but am on my phone until after deadline, does anyone know how to manually red and bold?

Kaylee · June 11, 2012

words only no spaces within the brackets.

Kaylee · June 11, 2012

Same for bold [ b] words [/ b]

Kaylee · June 11, 2012

just use them together [b ][color = red] vote [/color][/ b]

Basel Gill · June 11, 2012

Note to all: the code for manually formatting your vote will be added to the first post, and I plan on putting this in the OP for all future games that I run.

It is Day 1. The deadline for reaching a majority is Monday, June 11th, at 9 PM EST. With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Vote count:

Peace (1): AJ

Kaylee (1): Maw

Jack (3): Lily, Poet, NS

BG (1): Kaylee

Lily (3): Jack, Peace, EP

Maw (1): Razen

Not voting: BG, Rand

http://timeanddate.c...0&sec=00&p0=422

bgrishinko · June 11, 2012

I find it funny that people get scared of every little word I say. Interesting that EP and Rand both use examples of how the little things I said in lolcatz and Pokemon games mean I am not to be trusted at all because my random words have purpose. And yet in lolcatz I arguably outed nearly the whole scum team and was directly responsible for killing at least 2 of them. Pokemon I was the Cop. Yet, they use these examples to place doubt on my name.

I'm watching you both. Rand I was a bit suspect of already. EP, you know how I work pretty well, we've been working in tandem in the past few games, so to get that vote from you especially seems odd.

However, since deadline is looming, I feel I must go with my gut on the Lily and Jack issue since the evidence of both is day 1 evidence and not much to go on.

Vote Lily

RandA lThor · June 11, 2012

vote BG don't know if this works or not

RandA lThor · June 11, 2012

doesn't work, I tried this way and without = red in the end

Razen · June 11, 2012

Deadline is still about 10 hours away, so there's plenty of time between now and then. If this was the weekend, I'd be a little more concerned, but plenty of people should be on before the deadline to give their input. So I don't buy the deadline card this time.

I'm still not sold on Maw's towniness after his bandwagon of Jack, and the fact that he did bandwagon early on makes me suspicious. Here is what he said:

I suppose i'll follow Jack's lead. He seems to know what he's doing. VOTE KAYLEE.

And now that I think about it, why follow Jack, as opposed to someone else? There's plenty of other crafty players here, so I'm quite concerned about the singling out of Jack here.

Jack, you just don't like it that I'm watching you. Deal.

You're blowing smoke. I didn't try to dissuade the talk, although I did see it as pointless, I'll admit. I didn't realize you were up to something. So, Kaylee isn't on your team, huh? I'm going to assume you're not dredging up the old gambit routine. It's possible that Rand is, given your "belief" that he is town. But we'll figure that out after we see how you flip. Unlike you, I don't try to figure out the whole team day one.

So you want to play the game, you want action, but when I play the game and try and get reactions I shouldn't play the game? Hmmm...

Why don't you try and find the whole team? That's the point of teh mafia. Sorry sis.

So me EP and Rand are on a team. Contradiction. Hmmm I thought that you didn't find the whole team on day 1

unvote and vote lily

In Lily's quoted post, she only mentions Rand, so I don't see where EP's name comes into the mix. I also don't see her comment about Rand as trying to figure the whole team out, either. It is only Day 1, but so far, the two I have in the middle of my notes are Jack and Maw. So I'm going to Unvote, vote: Jack, because his flip will give additional information as to why Maw was so willing to bandwagon him.

Razen · June 11, 2012

Rand, take out the spaces in the code when you try to post it from your phone.

Kaylee · June 11, 2012

Incoming WoT...

We currently have two trains going. Of them these are my thoughts:

Jack: Plays his "trap", votes me, says EP's post was scummier than mine, lists reasons why, keeps his vote on me and is also willing to vote EP.

reaching a bit to early Jack? remember what happened the last time you took this kinda reach?

No I'm trying to play the game tbh. Make the most out of day 1.

Your post was actually more scummy then Kaylees

1) shrugging off an attempt by someone to start playing

2) your second sentence isn't valid. That was an epic game. This is a basic game different scenarios have different parameters. Apples to oranges

3) in a game where the majority doesn't know anything other then their own innocence how can you be so quick as to crumble up and discard any oppinion or case at this stage of the game.

I am willing to vote you or Kay at this time.

Posts about a deeper/2nd trap below...points out the bold, but doesn't change his vote...

Or did I BG. By mentioning the trap did I inadvertently spring another trap? I think so. I used a post I thought was slightly scummy to reel in a post that turned out to be way more scummy. Like fishing.

Missed you BG btw.

Thinks Lily did know where he was going, points out what "town Lily" would say...

Jack, thanks for trying to get things started, but there are a number of possibilities as to what the setup could be. I think there is probably 3 mafia, since that's pretty standard for a 12 player game, but beyond that, I don't have any opinions.

Sorry I started the Ospenya talk. I didn't mean for it to take off like that.

I think you did know where I was going. That's why you tried to dissuade the talk and also not tip your hand to extra knowledge like who scum is and how many.

Now that I picked out Kaylee, you are further pushing the idea away because I was spot on. My explanation on this strategy has been thorough so even if you didn't agree you would understand.

Town Lily would say "I see where you're coming from. I don't really agree (if you didnt agree) I think you're trying to make to much out of it." or "That's a good case, not enough to vote on but I'd like to see where this is going."

Mafia lily would want to stop gaming talk so no one would slip, and push against the "trap"

Mega play though. Run a lynch on me when I flip town run a lynch on EP. I'm not sure of EP anymore. You and Kaylee, well that's a different story.

<3

Votes Lily for the contradiction....

Jack, you just don't like it that I'm watching you. Deal.

You're blowing smoke. I didn't try to dissuade the talk, although I did see it as pointless, I'll admit. I didn't realize you were up to something. So, Kaylee isn't on your team, huh? I'm going to assume you're not dredging up the old gambit routine. It's possible that Rand is, given your "belief" that he is town. But we'll figure that out after we see how you flip. Unlike you, I don't try to figure out the whole team day one.

So you want to play the game, you want action, but when I play the game and try and get reactions I shouldn't play the game? Hmmm...

Why don't you try and find the whole team? That's the point of teh mafia. Sorry sis.

So me EP and Rand are on a team. Contradiction. Hmmm I thought that you didn't find the whole team on day 1

unvote and vote lily

and feels she is the most scummy so far..

1) it was the most informative vote I could of made at the time.

2) changed my vote to lily who posted the most scummy material this game

3) you can change your vote. That's why there is a such thing as a no vote

4) Never posted an FoS I voted. Said EP's one post was more scummy then Kay for the defense post of one vote on Key, then said lily was teh most scummy and placed my vote where I thought it to be most effective.

Again half the things you said I did, I didn't. The other half everyone has or will do this game. Like unvote. Just saying.

Kaylee · June 11, 2012

WoT continued...

Lily: Joke votes Jack...doesn't know where he's going, doubts his alignment, EP sticks out the most to her, doesn't change her vote, but is keeping an eye on EP...

I don't get where Jack is going at all, which makes me doubt his alignment. I'm watching you, bro.

The thing that sticks out to me the most is EP. He seemed to be trying awfully hard to discredit Jack. One of these two is mafia. I'll keep my vote where it is until something better comes along.

States she wasn't trying to dissuade the talk/Jack, gets a bit defensive...

Jack, you just don't like it that I'm watching you. Deal.

You're blowing smoke. I didn't try to dissuade the talk, although I did see it as pointless, I'll admit. I didn't realize you were up to something. So, Kaylee isn't on your team, huh? I'm going to assume you're not dredging up the old gambit routine. It's possible that Rand is, given your "belief" that he is town. But we'll figure that out after we see how you flip. Unlike you, I don't try to figure out the whole team day one.

Jack, you just don't like it that I'm watching you. Deal.

You're blowing smoke. I didn't try to dissuade the talk, although I did see it as pointless, I'll admit. I didn't realize you were up to something. So, Kaylee isn't on your team, huh? I'm going to assume you're not dredging up the old gambit routine. It's possible that Rand is, given your "belief" that he is town. But we'll figure that out after we see how you flip. Unlike you, I don't try to figure out the whole team day one.

Jack, thanks for trying to get things started, but there are a number of possibilities as to what the setup could be. I think there is probably 3 mafia, since that's pretty standard for a 12 player game, but beyond that, I don't have any opinions.

Sorry I started the Ospenya talk. I didn't mean for it to take off like that.

You told Jack basically "....thanks for stirring the pot, but please don't stir THIS pot."

No, I didn't. I said I didn't have much of an opinion. I didn't discourage him, just wasn't interested personally. Don't put words in my mouth.

I said ONE of you and EP are mafia.

I repeat, I didn't try to dissuade you. I also said I don't try to find the whole team on day one, not never. How often do we find one mafioso on day one, let alone all the team?

If you and Bg are going to twist everything I say, I don't see much point in saying anything.

This stood out to me because at the time of the post, there is still plenty of time for people to log on, states opinions and vote.

I'm beginning to worry that we'll go random.

So for now I'll Unvote and Vote Jack. Though I'd like to hear from them both.

LilyElizabeth · June 11, 2012

What exactly do you want to hear from me, Kaylee?

That's L-3 by my count, so it's time to reveal. I'm the cop. Lynch somebody else, please.

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