A Basic Game: Mafia Wins!

[Red2111]

and heres up to page 11. sorry work is callign and i can't piddle fart today.

 

 

 

2) the lynch on Razen built way too fast for it to be a mafia lynch. The Mod made it clear that if we fail to reach a majority that a random non-voter would be lynched. This suggests that, barring inactivity, the mafia team dogpiled onto Razen to avoid the lynch going random. Had Razen been one of their own, they would have voted elsewhere and let the vote stall. I hammered with 5 minutes left to deadline, followed by Red's vote to ensure deadline was met.

 

Neh. The Mod also made the rule that the people being random killed would be Non-Voters. As such, so long as all the mafia was on a vote somewhere a random isn't such a bad tactic as hammering. It would be beneficial to not be on the town lynch, but still having a vote out there prevents them from getting killed by the Mod.

 

Does this make sense so far? This is why I feel those four should be looked at exclusively tonight by our cop and tomorrow morning, one of those four should be lynched (IF we are going to ignore the whole Cosmic Panda vs Aemon Kristen deal).

 

The way I see it, dogpiling with 5 minutes left to deadline is pro-town. Dogpiling with a full day of discussion open as well as other possible trains to look at reeks of a mafia bandwagon.

 

Keyholder, Ishy, Perfexionist, and Axel al'Rosey - one of those four have got to be scum!

 

Well, saying one of those 4 has to be scum says nothing. 13 people left, you named four of them. Yep, statistically one of them has got to be scum. Pick any random 4 and you could say the same.

 

quoted this for both Mynd's post and BG's repsonses.

 

to Mynd's stuff first. even thoguh i think he's scum, he makes good points. the best lie is often threaded with truths and i happen to agree about scum not being in the random. so i think it's possible that scum were on both lynches tbh and that we'll probably hit paydirt by examining the votes he drug up in the quote below.

 

BG also echos a good point about the scum having their votes cast to avoid being in the possible random pool.

 

my guess is still that there weren't any scum int he non-voters, and that they split themselves between the Panda and Razen lynch, with most landing back on the Razen lynch.

 

there was one voter who flip flopped between the Panda and Razen lynch besides Mynd and i'ver got a good feeling thier most likely scum as well (it was Perf i believe).

 

 

 

Here are the last 6 votes on Razen before deadline. Pay close attention to the time stamps both in relation to the deadline and to each other.

Unvote, Vote Razen

 

Nothing said at all, just a simple inexplicable bandwagon vote. At this time, the Cosmic/Aemon debate was still underway.

 

I think Razen or Aemon would be a good lynch for today. Either way we're going to get some insights about other players.

 

Still looking for Ishy's explanation, but we can deal with that tomorrow.

 

Vote Razen.

 

Keyholder obliges that either would be good, but ops for Razen. States that either way we would get some insight into other players. What insights did we get with Razen's lynch? The very reason I named those four to look at.

 

Unvote. Vote Razen.

 

Yes, I cased Razen and didn't vote for him. It was obvious that everyone else suss'd him already and that that was the direction the day was going. Wanted to see if applying pressure to Mynd would yield any results. Silly me. I still think his ridiculous, intentionally so, early day one back and forth with Key was a little over-the-top, but Razen's reaction to it was even more so. Just wanted to see if a competing train would give us any info, but alas. Mynd handled it well, so moving on...

 

I handled it well? Does that mean I'm not scum? I've been a mafia godfather and talked my way out of numerous lynches, but just as much if not more so, I've been the cop or doc and talked my way into them. Curious what results he was looking for, but regardless, he suddenly has a change of heart and votes Razen. Did he really case him in the first place?

Deadline: Unvote, vote: Razen

 

Another inexplicable bandwagon; however, this is Cosmic Panda who is 100% sure about Aemon and not our cop. I doubt a mafia player would be so forceful in stating their 100% certainty about another player being scum, only to dogpile to hide among the other votes. I take this as a townie backing off his case to keep the vote from going random.

 

Blah.. Not fun with randoms.. Srry Razen, I don't really find the arguments to lynch you "Convincing" But the deadline is comming

 

Vote Razen

 

This strikes me odd. Its as if he already knows how Razen is gonna flip. Why apologize for a vote if he might flip scum?

 

unvote

 

vote Razen

 

Let's get the majority. Still, this whole Cosmic Panda / Aemon Kristen thing needs looking into.

 

 

UNVOTE

 

VOTE: RAZEN

 

jic

 

brb with the quotes i got.

 

Both Red and myself are voting to hammer the lynch, saving us from a random non-voter.

 

Please take a moment and review this case. What are your thoughts?

 

 

quoted this because like i said, high porbability there is these votes. out of the votes, Key and Perfs stick out most to me.

 

 

to the underlined, yet another reaosn why Mynd is pinging me as scum. If we all recall, Ishy cased Razen but voted for Mynd; now Mynd trys to cast a shadow on Ishy by suggesting there wasn're really a case built on Razen by Ishy in the first place and that the vote was placed under flase pretenses.

 

 

I have to be honest, I've never played in a game with a Lyncher before. Do they have a solo-win condition? Just by lynching their target, right? In past games, is their target always scum? Always town? Or is it just random? I only ask because, while him being the lyncher could explain Cosmic's case against Aemon, does it say anything about Aemon that he is the Lyncher's target?

 

 

So if Cosmic is the Lyncher and Aemon is his target, ipso facto, Aemon is Town?

 

This reeks of Ishmael trying to deflect attention away from the latter half of the Razen lynch, which includes him.

 

Having said that, he also makes a lot of sense. If Cosmic is the lyncher, it also makes Aemon Kristen town. It would be completely unfair to make the lyncher's target scum because then the town could never lynch all the mafia without the lyncher winning first. Is it worth it to lynch Cosmic on Day 2?

 

Also, which is more of a direct threat to the town right now? A suspected lyncher or the mafia with their night kills?

 

this entire exchange makes me feel uneasy. by this point, the scum would have already decided to sacrifice Mynd to create tnesion and unease in the game. i'm on the fence about Ishy right now. Mynd is actually casing Ishy, which makes me lean town on Ishy tbh (especially in light of the previous quote) but this feels like more distancing (something i already commented on previously). either way, i'd love more pressure on Ishy at some point.

 

also notice how Mynd shifts focus from scum hunting to focusing on the Lyncher; which says alot abotu the scums motivation behind sacrificing Mynd.

 

 

Lyncher. Mafia can help town find him to prevent instant win. Ideal scenario is mafia NKing Lyncher tonight.

 

given that i suspect a gambit of some sort, and that Mynd was pushing the Lyncher angle pretty heavily. this post pings of further setting up the stage to use Mynds lack of a corner to their advantage. so far ii'm leaning town on BG, but i'm wary of him all the same; crafty little devil that he is.

 

 

I feel like we're putting too much weight on something that Cosmic meant to say casually.

"100% certain" was supposed to mean more along the lines of "this post makes me pretty sure Aemon is scum," and worded it to augment that sense of confidence in the idea.

 

to highlight once again Levi's unquestioning support of Panda. ping big time, espeically since Mynd has worked so hard at this poitn as painting Panda as the lyncher.

 

 

Mynd was an interesting choice to kill. You'd think you would want to keep around someone who was creating so much tension/so many arguments. Maybe we're dealing with inexperienced scum?

 

I feel like we're putting too much weight on something that Cosmic meant to say casually.

"100% certain" was supposed to mean more along the lines of "this post makes me pretty sure Aemon is scum," and worded it to augment that sense of confidence in the idea.

 

 

Cosmic is not new to mafia. He should know how we would take a remark like that. He hasn't exactly lifted any suspicion by not offering any explanation other than that he's not cop. Instead, others are doing it for him.

 

I'm game for a little bit of pressure. Vote Cosmic.

 

thsi stinks of reverse logic imo suggesting one thing while the opposite is true and is the main reason why i first started suspecting the gambit i'm now out right assuming. also, note that Key continues where Mynd left off in the Panda push

[Nolder]

Votecount

Arez - Ishy, Sakaea (2)

Ishy - Arez, Cosmic (2)

Key - Red, Aemon (2)

 

Not Voting: Pale, Soy 2.0, Key, Levity

 

With 10 alive it takes 6 to lynch

 

Deadline

[Red2111]

Nol, i casted my vote for Key on the last page

 

 

[Nolder]

fixed

[Aiel Heart]

also, AH yer dead sweetie. stop posting please

 

Butbutbutbutubut the drunk shiny spinda mod said I could *pouts* it's in blue.....

[SBoydW]

Alrighty.... I'm mostly caught up. Enough so to say that Ishy and Key are pinging the most. They both went after... Arez? (it's all still kinda jumbled) for not voting for AH. Their reasoning is that he should have voted AH because AH was the lyncher, even though no one knew that at the time.

 

I'm down with Key at the moment.

[Nolder]

also, AH yer dead sweetie. stop posting please

 

Butbutbutbutubut the drunk shiny spinda mod said I could *pouts* it's in blue.....

as long as it's not game related in any way I don't care

although if people feel like you're spamming the game too much uhh I'm gonna leave that between you and them

it's not bothering me but if it bothers someone else I'm sure they'll let you know or whatever

 

and that's what I have to say about that

[John E. Kelley]

Ishy and Key are pinging the most. They both went after... Arez? (it's all still kinda jumbled) for not voting for AH. Their reasoning is that he should have voted AH because AH was the lyncher.

 

You couldn't be more wrong. I voted Arez because he said specifically that he didn't care if the lynch went random. Not caring if the lynch goes random is bad play imo. I wouldn't have cared if the leading vote getter at that point was you, me, Red, AH, or Joe Blow. Letting it go random is bad. Period. And I'm done explaining the same thing over and over. Kthx.

[SBoydW]

Ishy and Key are pinging the most. They both went after... Arez? (it's all still kinda jumbled) for not voting for AH. Their reasoning is that he should have voted AH because AH was the lyncher.

 

You couldn't be more wrong. I voted Arez because he said specifically that he didn't care if the lynch went random. Not caring if the lynch goes random is bad play imo. I wouldn't have cared if the leading vote getter at that point was you, me, Red, AH, or Joe Blow. Letting it go random is bad. Period. And I'm done explaining the same thing over and over. Kthx.

 

Vote Key (correcting for bold)

 

Strong reaction, seeing as how I didn't even vote for you. I could see that maybe coming from key... but all I said was that you were pinging...

[Arez Al'Loke]

Let me ask you one thing Ishy.. If you voted me SPECIFICLY for me not "caring" about a random lynch, how come you voted for AH and virtually ignored my comment UNTIL i voted you?

 

Here's what Ishmael wrote about my comment:

"Wow. Just, wow.

Unvote. Vote AH.

 

Because, as Kae said, random is the absolute worst thing that can happen. "

[John E. Kelley]

Let me ask you one thing Ishy.. If you voted me SPECIFICLY for me not "caring" about a random lynch, how come you voted for AH and virtually ignored my comment UNTIL i voted you?

 

Here's what Ishmael wrote about my comment:

"Wow. Just, wow.

Unvote. Vote AH.

 

Because, as Kae said, random is the absolute worst thing that can happen. "

 

I voted for AH because we were six hours away from a deadline genius. See, I actually practice what I preach. No way will I let it go random and AH was the leading vote getter at that time. Again, 6 hours from deadline. And the very moment I saw that a new day dawned, I voted you. What? Did you expect me to point out that you were scummy for saying you didn't care if it went random, and then vote you, furthering the chance that it actually did go random? What kind of messed up logic is that? So yes, of course I voted AH because that was the only way to ensure a controlled lynch.

 

Again, wow with this guy.

[Arez Al'Loke]

as I said previously, and you seem to very conviniantly "forget" it, you didn't react to my post until after I voted you? Just because you vote AH, it doesn't mean you're not aloud to interogate other people while you've voted someone?

 

Here's what you wrote after AH had been lynched

 

"I certainly didn't see her as the Lyncher, but I feel a lot better about being the hammer vote. That's one obstacle out of our way, now let's see if we can we can get rid of some scum. "

 

No where in that text do you mention anything at all about me being scum? I would have thought that if you reacted so strongly at what I wrote, you'd be on me alot more. But as I've said to many times before, and you seem to forget it every time, you didn't vote me, or even say anything about me until I voted YOU.

 

This guy just tries to manipulate the truth all the time, srsly..

[Levity]

Hey, Key! You don't at all consider some other possibility why I would defend Cosmic so vehemently like that? Really? Especially since, you have to admit, that statement was blown out of proportion.

 

(Ishy)

Again, wow with this guy.

This pings me a little bit.

[John E. Kelley]

Only because you were obviously on the game thread before I was. I said you were scummy the night before, and voted appropriately the next day. Do I need to reiterate what I stated before? Anyone with even a sliver of intelligence knows that my vote on you wasn't OMGUS, if anything, yours was to my calling you scummy the day before. If anything, I should be calling you out for your weak case on me. Calling you out for wanting a random lynch is scummy? Beat it. That's Mafia 101. How could I vote you before me when the last vote cast before yours was my hammer on AH the day before? Maybe I had to wait till I got home from work before I could get on DM, you know, something mundane like that. Weaksauce Arez.

 

Again, I'll say it slow, your vote on me, your case on me, had exactly ZERO to do with my vote on you. I made my decision to vote you the DAY BEFORE. Who you voted after your ridiculous statement meant crap to me.

[Levity]

OH WAIT

that was Red who said that, not key. Whoops.

 

Still interesting that you don't consider any other reason why I would defend Cosmic's innocence so much.

[Levity]

ninja's by Ishy's reaction

going to rehearsal, I'll be back

[a pale tanned lover]

Been through the posts.

 

boyo

 

I can't go back and pull all the different reasons because I play on a phone app so apologies, especially coming in half way through.

[Arez Al'Loke]

Really Ishy, Insults? You're taking this mafia game to seriously perhaps?

 

All this raging and insulting only serves to prove my point =P, faked agression to "scare my vote away". That won't work.

[SBoydW]

Been through the posts.

 

boyo

 

I can't go back and pull all the different reasons because I play on a phone app so apologies, especially coming in half way through.

 

Well seeing as how I've been here as long as you and have maybe 3 posts it shouldn't be hard. Looking forward to what you have.

[a pale tanned lover]

Been through the posts.

 

boyo

 

I can't go back and pull all the different reasons because I play on a phone app so apologies, especially coming in half way through.

 

Well seeing as how I've been here as long as you and have maybe 3 posts it shouldn't be hard. Looking forward to what you have.

Who you replaced, actually saying that makes you more likely to have a scum role, weak transparent defense

[SBoydW]

Been through the posts.

 

boyo

 

I can't go back and pull all the different reasons because I play on a phone app so apologies, especially coming in half way through.

 

Well seeing as how I've been here as long as you and have maybe 3 posts it shouldn't be hard. Looking forward to what you have.

Who you replaced, actually saying that makes you more likely to have a scum role, weak transparent defense

 

Me replacing some one is scummy... Or mentioning I replaced someone makes me scummy?

[a pale tanned lover]

Been through the posts.

 

boyo

 

I can't go back and pull all the different reasons because I play on a phone app so apologies, especially coming in half way through.

 

Well seeing as how I've been here as long as you and have maybe 3 posts it shouldn't be hard. Looking forward to what you have.

Who you replaced, actually saying that makes you more likely to have a scum role, weak transparent defense

 

Me replacing some one is scummy... Or mentioning I replaced someone makes me scummy?

I voted for you because of the comments that were made by the person who had your role previous.

 

If your trying to be frivolous on what Im saying, your condemning yourself by how innocent your trying to act.

[keyholder21]

Now that Red has FoSed most of the living players, I'm going to go ahead and VOTE KEY. I was tempted to vote for Arez for some minor pings early on and the comment about not caring about a random lynch, but the following posts from Key in my reread pinged hard.

 

 

At least he was vanilla.

 

I'm thinking now that we look at Cosmic and Aemon more carefully.

 

I'd suggest Mynd as well.

 

This is a thinly veiled OMGUS. You provided zero input until I named you as one to look at, now you are panicked. Are you concerned that our cop might choose to view you tonight?

 

Need I remind everyone that I initiated the whole Razen voting in the first place? I actually UNVOTED him as the bandwagon began to build because it was building too fast, likely because of mafia players sneaking in using the deadline as an excuse. I voted with 5 minutes left to deadline to hammer the lynch, avoiding random (likely town) lynching.

 

I find the Aemon/Cosmic Panda debate interesting, but more interesting is that the debate on that stalled out.

 

 

The cop is more than welcome to view me tonight, and you're more than welcome to discuss/dissect what I said tomorrow. If all you're doing is deciding to look into me (which btw you didn't specify me) and some other people then it would be quite silly of me to freak out about that wouldn't it?

 

I don't see how it's an OMGUS. I provided zero input? I was who you were talking back and forth with at the beginning of the game, that's how this entire thing with Razen started. It's worth looking into you because, you WERE the one who started the lynch on Razen, in addition to creating a bogus case on me and AH (which I know you freely admitted but it's still intriguing that you can pull something out of your backside and fight to make it stick). Then yesterday afternoon you were all for a Razen lynch...until you decided you weren't. Almost as if you knew he would turn townie and wanted to distance yourself from it. After all, you were the one that initiated it.

 

Panicked? Yeah, wow, omg, I am so panicking. /sarcasm The post above more reads that you are the one panicking. I merely suggested that we look at you tomorrow and you're trying to throw me under the bus right away - worried?

 

This seems like an over-reaction to what was going on. Also, the way she called on the cop to view her that night seems sus´picious. At that time she really had no pressure and there were other targets a cop would likely be much more interested in investigating, so it seems a safe bet for her to make that statement.

 

 

 

Mynd was an interesting choice to kill. You'd think you would want to keep around someone who was creating so much tension/so many arguments. Maybe we're dealing with inexperienced scum?

 

I feel like we're putting too much weight on something that Cosmic meant to say casually.

"100% certain" was supposed to mean more along the lines of "this post makes me pretty sure Aemon is scum," and worded it to augment that sense of confidence in the idea.

 

 

Cosmic is not new to mafia. He should know how we would take a remark like that. He hasn't exactly lifted any suspicion by not offering any explanation other than that he's not cop. Instead, others are doing it for him.

 

I'm game for a little bit of pressure. Vote Cosmic.

 

Here it seems she is trying to lead the town into looking at the more inexperienced players because Mynd got killed. By building up Mynd as a source of conflict that an experienced scum team would like to have around, she effectively disregards a lot of very dangerous players in this game. Such as Red, who is basing many of her theories on Mynd flipping scum, which can be neither proved nor disproved. Key is a good choice for today.

 

 

This case is ridiculous Aemon.

 

First quote box: I don't see an overreaction - I was simply stating that the cop could view me...which is responding to what Mynd said. If you look at his post, he's the one that brings up the cop looking at me first. Additionally, I have been "in the spotlight" for at least half the game, so I don't see how that would ever be a safe statement for me to make.

 

Second quote box: Nowhere in there do I say to *only* look at inexperienced scum. I was posing a question to the group. Mafia is a game where you should make your own decisions, not base necessarily on something someone else says so my saying that I think it could be inexperienced scum is pretty random reason to vote for me.

[keyholder21]

Ishy and Key are pinging the most. They both went after... Arez? (it's all still kinda jumbled) for not voting for AH. Their reasoning is that he should have voted AH because AH was the lyncher.

 

You couldn't be more wrong. I voted Arez because he said specifically that he didn't care if the lynch went random. Not caring if the lynch goes random is bad play imo. I wouldn't have cared if the leading vote getter at that point was you, me, Red, AH, or Joe Blow. Letting it go random is bad. Period. And I'm done explaining the same thing over and over. Kthx.

 

Vote Key (correcting for bold)

 

Strong reaction, seeing as how I didn't even vote for you. I could see that maybe coming from key... but all I said was that you were pinging...

 

lol, what?

 

Speaking of me, though, what's your reason for voting for me? Being a sheep?

[keyholder21]

Ishy and Key are pinging the most. They both went after... Arez? (it's all still kinda jumbled) for not voting for AH. Their reasoning is that he should have voted AH because AH was the lyncher.

 

You couldn't be more wrong. I voted Arez because he said specifically that he didn't care if the lynch went random. Not caring if the lynch goes random is bad play imo. I wouldn't have cared if the leading vote getter at that point was you, me, Red, AH, or Joe Blow. Letting it go random is bad. Period. And I'm done explaining the same thing over and over. Kthx.

 

 

Seconded. Did you even read any of the posts we made Soy?

 

I don't understand how the majority of you are arguing that him saying he doesn't care about a random lynch is NOT scummy.