A Basic Game: Mafia Wins!

[John E. Kelley]

Uh boys, it's night.

How dare you get all logical on me. Of course it's night. Whiskey makes me forget that fact, but you don't have to call me out on it. Jeez...

 

Unvote.

 

As if I had a choice. Thanks Em....

 

Maybe I just wanted you to do something else with your night .

 

Hm. You think the mafia was big game hunting with BG?

 

I did do something else. Sweating, vomiting, etc.

 

And big game hunting would be my guess. BG wasn't really making waves this game.

 

And because I said I would, Vote Arez for not caring that we almost had a random lynch.

[Sakaea]

Agreed. Vote Arez

 

I'll be back online tomorrow, but basically that was the biggest scumtell I've seen this game.

[Aiel Heart]

*Appears in a puff of blue and silver sparkles*

 

YEEEEESSSSSSS I can talk as a ghost!!!! I shall haunt all of your dreams still!!!!!!

[Arez Al'Loke]

I can't believe you think I'm a scum because my oppinion on random lynches is different from yours? Why would it make me a scum? Just 2 mafia's trying to start a train.

 

I'm voting Ishy for the same reason as before Vote Ishy

[Nolder]

Votecount

Arez - Ishy, Sakaea (2)

Ishy - Arez (1)

 

With 10 alive it takes 6 to lynch

[cosmicpanda]

I agree, I don't see why wanting a random lynch is scummy. Sure, it's dumb, but I can see his point that it might be better than lynching somebody that he thought was a townie. Arez is still a new player, you can't just say that you gave him a whole day in which to improve.

 

Ishy and Sakaea are pinging quite loudly.

 

Vote: Ishy

[John E. Kelley]

So in Arez's scenario, we let it go random and run the risk of getting the Doc or Cop killed. Or, in my scenario, we continue with the lynch of AH, and get rid of the Lyncher. And you're saying that Arez's idea is the pro-town one, and mine and Kae's point is the scummy one. Sorry, you're logic escapes me.

 

And in no way is a random lynch a good idea, except maybe in a LYLO situation. Voting for a No Lynch, maybe. Random, no way.

 

You're better than this Cosmic. Defending Arez much?

[cosmicpanda]

You seem to have misread my post. I said that a random lynch was a dumb idea, but I didn't think it was scummy. I think you're scummy for attempting to portray it as such.

[Arez Al'Loke]

"So in Arez's scenario, we let it go random and run the risk of getting the Doc or Cop killed. Or, in my scenario, we continue with the lynch of AH, and get rid of the Lyncher. And you're saying that Arez's idea is the pro-town one, and mine and Kae's point is the scummy one. Sorry, you're logic escapes me." -Ishy

 

That argument was so .. scummy .. possible as scummy as it gets xD?! How can you post the results on "Scenarios", you're portraying everything negativly and only seen from your "best case" point of view? The vote on AH could have been the lynchers target instead of the lyncher, isn't that so?

Your argument is totally invalid my friend =P

[Levity]

You seem to have misread my post. I said that a random lynch was a dumb idea, but I didn't think it was scummy.

I concur.

 

You're being incredibly pushy and aggressive over this reason. I don't think what Arez said was scummy in the way he portrayed it; what I saw is that he didn't see what would be wrong with a random lynch if it happened. It's true that random lynches can get lucky and even though it's far from a good idea, it's not as if Arez was entirely pushing for a random lynch or anything. What WOULD be scummy about a random lynch is if one of his members happened to be one of the bandwagons yesterday and he blatantly rooted for one to happen (which would also indicate that all of the scum yesterday were voting for someone).

 

Ishy, you've been kind of standing out to me since yesterday. Maybe perhaps give your thoughts on the other players besides Arez?

[Levity]

about wanting a random lynch*

[Red2111]

i'm going to do a re-read on monday and will post my thoughts then. i do think that we're dealing with an experienced team and that the NK and Janitor choices weren't big game hunting.

 

also i'm glad we got the lyncher. it will be interesting to see if AH pushed anyones lynch hard or cased anyone. so we know that Mynd wasn't the lyncher. my guess is that Mynd was either a roled townie or the vanilla goon. if my hunch is correct about this being an experienced team and my how much Mynd was pinging me as well, my bet is on a gambit tbh.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[cosmicpanda]

But what kind of gambit is it to nightkill one of your own? That would be the worst gambit ever.

[keyholder21]

Personally, I think that a random lynch *is* a scummy statement. It's more likely to hurt the town than it is the mafia. Plus, no matter what team you're on - why would you want a random? It's just as likely to hit you as it is someone else.

 

I think it's interesting all of you that are defending Arez's statement and attacking Ishy for thinking it's scummy. Arez discussed not caring if the lynch went random instead of lynching AH - WHO WAS THE LYNCHER. In fact, no matter who it was, that would be a scummy statement no matter what other games we were playing. FoS Cosmic and Levity. Arez I can see disagreeing because he was the one who stated it.

[Red2111]

depends on what their aim was and how much confusion it would create. mynd was shaping up nicely as a town leader, so by killing him early and hiding his report, it not only cuts off an early leader and lands a blow to us, but also gets peopel to assume he's town and put more weight to his words.

 

 

i understand that it's a risky move, but my gut just wont let me shake it.

[Levity]

I think it's interesting all of you that are defending Arez's statement and attacking Ishy for thinking it's scummy. Arez discussed not caring if the lynch went random instead of lynching AH - WHO WAS THE LYNCHER. In fact, no matter who it was, that would be a scummy statement no matter what other games we were playing. FoS Cosmic and Levity. Arez I can see disagreeing because he was the one who stated it.

I'm not attacking Ishy, per se--I never voted him. I'm only interested in what he thinks of the other players.

 

Also, Key, AH being the lyncher was irrelevant at the time: we didn't KNOW she was the lyncher until she was lynched, and Arez made the comment BEFORE AH was lynched, didn't he? I'm kind of confused as to where your argument is and what you're FOSíng Cosmic and me for. I can understand your case on Cosmic, but my post wasn't a direct attack to Ishy. You're jumping too ahead of yourself.

[Levity]

... Actually, yeah, that post is still kind of confusing.

 

I think what I said before is that if AH had flipped scum, Arez would have more of a chance to be scum for making the statement. Since AH technically did not flip mafia, Arez has less of a chance to be mafia solely for making the statement about random lynches. If Arez were to flip scum, however, it does indicate a chance that anyone else that was the target of a bandwagon yesterday is more likely to be scum (since Arez might have been trying to cover for Aemon or even Kae, even though the latter is highly more unlikely), and that all remaining scum were voting yesterday (because no scum had a chance of being randomly offed this way if all of them voted), making it safe for scum if a random lynch DID happen. You're seeing where I'm coming from, right?

 

I also think that Cosmic is town.

[Levity]

If AH had flipped mafia*

 

I don't necessarily count the lyncher as scum--the lyncher is scum in its own right, yes, but I always refer to third-party as only third-party and I only refer to mafia as scum. I wanted to clarify, though.

[Arez Al'Loke]

FoS on Key for skimming.. I've already explained this before ..

 

At the time, I was rather sure that AH was town. Why would I want to lynch someone I thought was town? If I voted her, it would be a 100% certainty she would get lynched. That means a 100% chance a , what I thought was townie, would die. A random lynch would atleast give me a 20% to get a scum. Sure, I might die aswell, but I thought it would have been a fair price to pay in hopes of getting a mafia.

 

Now, it turned out that AH was a lyncher, so not voting her was a misstake, but that doesn't making me a flaming scum -.-

[cosmicpanda]

Personally, I think that a random lynch *is* a scummy statement. It's more likely to hurt the town than it is the mafia. Plus, no matter what team you're on - why would you want a random? It's just as likely to hit you as it is someone else.

 

I think it's interesting all of you that are defending Arez's statement and attacking Ishy for thinking it's scummy. Arez discussed not caring if the lynch went random instead of lynching AH - WHO WAS THE LYNCHER. In fact, no matter who it was, that would be a scummy statement no matter what other games we were playing. FoS Cosmic and Levity. Arez I can see disagreeing because he was the one who stated it.

 

Ah, thanks for showing up. I was getting worried about the Ishy - Sakaea - Key trio. Perhaps you had fallen out overnight and were sulking? But here you are!

 

You're thoroughly misrepresenting Arez's position, and so you still haven't convinced me that his call for a random vote was scummy. It wasn't as if he was saying for the whole day, "let's go for a random vote! That's a good way to play!" Rather, as he's just explained, he thought that AH was town, and given the choice, preferred even the small chance of hitting scum to what he saw as definitely hitting town.

 

Moreover, as you have pointed out in caps, AH was the lyncher. Even if Arez is scum (and I don't think he is), he wouldn't have been trying to protect AH by calling for a random vote, because she wasn't on his team and he would have had no way of knowing her role and alignment. Thus, the psychology you posit makes no sense.

[keyholder21]

I think it's interesting all of you that are defending Arez's statement and attacking Ishy for thinking it's scummy. Arez discussed not caring if the lynch went random instead of lynching AH - WHO WAS THE LYNCHER. In fact, no matter who it was, that would be a scummy statement no matter what other games we were playing. FoS Cosmic and Levity. Arez I can see disagreeing because he was the one who stated it.

I'm not attacking Ishy, per se--I never voted him. I'm only interested in what he thinks of the other players.

 

Also, Key, AH being the lyncher was irrelevant at the time: we didn't KNOW she was the lyncher until she was lynched, and Arez made the comment BEFORE AH was lynched, didn't he? I'm kind of confused as to where your argument is and what you're FOSíng Cosmic and me for. I can understand your case on Cosmic, but my post wasn't a direct attack to Ishy. You're jumping too ahead of yourself.

 

Not voting does not mean not attacking. I'm not arguing that he's innocent; I just think it's interesting that you're calling him out for thinking a random lynch is scummy, because it is.

 

Ah, thanks for showing up. I was getting worried about the Ishy - Sakaea - Key trio. Perhaps you had fallen out overnight and were sulking? But here you are!

 

You're thoroughly misrepresenting Arez's position, and so you still haven't convinced me that his call for a random vote was scummy. It wasn't as if he was saying for the whole day, "let's go for a random vote! That's a good way to play!" Rather, as he's just explained, he thought that AH was town, and given the choice, preferred even the small chance of hitting scum to what he saw as definitely hitting town.

 

Moreover, as you have pointed out in caps, AH was the lyncher. Even if Arez is scum (and I don't think he is), he wouldn't have been trying to protect AH by calling for a random vote, because she wasn't on his team and he would have had no way of knowing her role and alignment. Thus, the psychology you posit makes no sense.

 

Oh well, connecting players together is *always* a good idea. So glad you did that /end sarcasm.

 

Ok well, how about this : mafia KNOWS who is town. So, a random lynch is most likely to benefit MAFIA considering the MAJORITY of players are town. Not to mention, a random lynch is possible to hit DOC or COP which either would be bad for the town, so please tell me how is my position not clear? /oh sorry, here I'll end the sarcasm.

 

Yes, AH was the lyncher. In fact, he could have been because the mafia KNOWS who is town so they can pick and choose who they are siding with when a vote is about to come up. What's the best way to appear town? "Fighting" for someone who is "town" when the lynching block actually falls. In the case of Arez to AH, he would know that she's town, so he would "fight" against the lynch (suggesting a random lynch when chances are this close to the deadline none of us would go for it) to APPEAR town.

[keyholder21]

gah, quotation marks are on the wrong town (should be on the the next town that appears after the one they are on).

[cosmicpanda]

Key, your incoherent anger suggests that you might actually be town.

 

The reiteration of your original point about why random lynches are scummy suggests either that you haven't understood or disagree with my opinion. I understand your point; I don't support random lynches either; you should reconsider.

 

Also, the mafia win by lynching townies. Sure, scum-Arez could've been trying to pull some epic convoluted strategy to try and win town cred with a hypothetically townie AH (since nobody else would know her alignment, they wouldn't be able to know whether he was being townie or not, and would've probably thought him quite scummy), but I don't think so.

[cosmicpanda]

*or that you disagree

[Arez Al'Loke]

I've been fighting for AH from the begging.. I don't think that would have been a good tactic if I was scum .