Kae's [BASIC] X-Men Mafia GAME OVER! TOWN WINS!!!

[Red2111]

unless theres another person you'd liek to pressure in the time being, i guess so.

 

 

if Ishy doesn't respond by today, then i think it's best to go ahead and move the day on; no since letting him drag it out until hear the deadline on Friday in hopes of stalling it out. we've got a good lead on the scum, but riht now theres about a 90% chance that any random lynch will hit town so thats soemthign we need to avoid at all costs.

 

 

[Sakaea]

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT:

 

Ishy (1) -- Song

 

Basel (1) -- BG

 

With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch.

[John E. Kelley]

I'm going to Vote Song.

 

Now, for my far overdue explanation (sorry for it being late, but Valentine's Day went WAY better for me that I thought it was going to..).

 

Those of us familiar with the source material picked up on who Mynd was breadcrumbing fairly quickly. Those of you not familiar should know a little bit about his character.

 

Rogue was originally a member of the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants (so far, what it seems is Team Mafia in this game). Later, she switched allegiance to the X-Men (Team Town in this game). This led me to some conclusions:

 

1. Mynd could be scum.

2. Mynd could be town.

 

Not a lot of help there, but it did tell me that his allegiance wasn't verified merely by his character claim.

 

Point two that those unfamiliar with Rogue should know is her special mutant power. Rogue can absorb the powers of anyone she touches. Their abilities become hers temporarily. Also, if she touches them for too long, she can kill them altogether.

 

So knowing these things, this led to me to a few thoughts:

 

1. Mynd could be town, with the ability to absorb a power from another player (permanently or temporarily).

2. Mynd could be scum, with the same abilities.

3. He could be town, with a vig-type killing ability.

4. He could be scum with a regular NK-type action.

5. He could be a bomb with a town or scum alignment.

 

Looking at these possibilities, I immediately ruled out option #3. I already knew that he couldn't be a town-vig. How did I know this? Well, because I'm the town-vig of course. Unless Kae decided to have two vig's and I couldn't see this being a possibility. One choice down.

This left five scenario's for me, three scum and two town. And when I thought about it, even were he either of the two town roles, in one of them, he had the capacity to do damage on the way out (bomb). It then became a matter of ratios to me. In 80% of the situations I arrived at, lynching him benifitted town. He either took out a scum, gained their abilities, or in the only anti-town scenario, he took out a town, only if a townie hammered. Even if he gained a townies abilities, we still had access to it, just in another players control. And with the benefit of hindsight, I was proven right.

 

Now, I told you all in my previous post that I had an ability to offer for town's use. As Vig, I can shoot twice, Day or Night. As further proof that I am who I say I am, I'll let you all decide when and on whom I use my two shots. With two scum already down, I can't see how the remaining Mafia could control the vote on who I use it on. There just aren't enough of them. We outnumber them so we can together control who gets offed. And since there's a better than average chance I get targetted for the NK tonight, I'd say we probably need to do this sooner rather than later. I can shoot today and again tonight, then even if they do NK me, we'll at least get my two shots off on who we think needs to be hit.

 

Now, if you still doubt me, I don't know what to tell you. I've been communicating via PM with a few people and should they so decide, they can back me up that I haven't claimed anything any different from what I've put here in thread. I would hope that you'd at least allow me to use my shot(s) to hopefully vet my claim. You can either PM me or post here who you think I should hit and I'll go with the majority, assumming it isn't just wildly inappropriate. Like shooting myself lol.

[Sakaea]

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT:

 

Ishy (1) -- Song

 

Basel (1) -- BG

 

Song (1) -- Ishy

 

With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch.

[Basel Gill]

Looking at these possibilities, I immediately ruled out option #3. I already knew that he couldn't be a town-vig. How did I know this? Well, because I'm the town-vig of course. Unless Kae decided to have two vig's and I couldn't see this being a possibility. One choice down.

This left five scenario's for me, three scum and two town. And when I thought about it, even were he either of the two town roles, in one of them, he had the capacity to do damage on the way out (bomb). It then became a matter of ratios to me. In 80% of the situations I arrived at, lynching him benifitted town. He either took out a scum, gained their abilities, or in the only anti-town scenario, he took out a town, only if a townie hammered. Even if he gained a townies abilities, we still had access to it, just in another players control. And with the benefit of hindsight, I was proven right.

 

Ishy, for the most part I'm on board with your logic, so I'll just snip for brevity the bits I'm in agreement with. However I do have a couple questions for you. Firstly, I'm not sure how you get lynching him would give the town access to someone else's ability. Lynching results in death, right? Mynd died. So whoever he took out, Mynd would still have died, and whatever the other person's ability was would die with Mynd.

 

And secondly, why hold off on providing this case when you made the vote in question? A sudden unexplained vote switch was risky, and it did in fact result in a few votes against you. I lost track of the number of posts I caught in my re-read that were suspicious of you for that reason.

 

Now for my vote. I'd been all set to vote Ishy until he promised an explanation, and then I held off till I saw what he had to say. Now that I've seen it, I don't see enough wrong with it to vote Ishy. But something has been itching at the back of my brain, without being able to put it into words for a while. Aemon wound up putting into words what I was having trouble figuring out:

 

Songstress also pings me, but not in any way that I can quote. It might just be the excess of "I'm new" posts followed by detailed evaluations of the game. For her second game (and the first not being finished yet) they were very well detailed. Those are my thoughts. I will discuss them more come dawn. Just wanted to get that out there.

 

This. Song has mentioned a few times that she is in only her second game. Except she isn't sounding like it's her second game. Her posts have sounded wise, logical, and well-informed. I'm in my second game as well, except that half the time I feel clueless. Song manages to sound like an expert. This pings me. I'm not feeling much else to go on, so I will vote Song.

[Sakaea]

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT:

 

Ishy (1) -- Song

 

Basel (1) -- BG

 

Song (2) -- Ishy, Basel

 

With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch.

[John E. Kelley]

why hold off on providing this case when you made the vote in question?

 

Two reasons:

First, I assumed that anyone who saw who Mynd was claiming, and knew the material, might arrive at some of the same conclusions. I see now that I was incorrect.

Second, that is done far more often that you might think. Red calls it, "beating the grass and seeing what snakes show up" I think. You throw something out there, see everyones reaction to it and make a move based on those reactions. Considering we were on D1 and had very little to work with, you have do something drastic sometimes to move the game forward. And honestly, after my vote on him, how fast did his lynch move forward? Pretty quickly if I remember correctly. And I've seen this move done many, many times by most of the better players here. If they're being honest, they'll tell you that they've done it too. In the future, you may want to try to do something to cause a ruckus just to see what everyone else does. It provides good info a lot of the time and you can make decisions based on them reacting to you, instead of reacting to them.

 

And now that I think about it, it makes me sound sneaky, like I know something no one else knows. Much fun. And that's why we play.

[Basel Gill]

And now that I think about it, it makes me sound sneaky, like I know something no one else knows. Much fun. And that's why we play.

 

Sneaky like a coyote or something. Having your own special secret is always fun. But the temptation to shout it from the rooftops is hard.

[Songstress]

I'm going to Vote Song.

 

Do you have a rationale for this? I dislike votes with no reasoning whatsoever.

 

 

Looking at these possibilities, I immediately ruled out option #3. I already knew that he couldn't be a town-vig. How did I know this? Well, because I'm the town-vig of course. Unless Kae decided to have two vig's and I couldn't see this being a possibility. One choice down.

This left five scenario's for me, three scum and two town. And when I thought about it, even were he either of the two town roles, in one of them, he had the capacity to do damage on the way out (bomb). It then became a matter of ratios to me. In 80% of the situations I arrived at, lynching him benifitted town. He either took out a scum, gained their abilities, or in the only anti-town scenario, he took out a town, only if a townie hammered. Even if he gained a townies abilities, we still had access to it, just in another players control. And with the benefit of hindsight, I was proven right.

 

Ishy, for the most part I'm on board with your logic, so I'll just snip for brevity the bits I'm in agreement with. However I do have a couple questions for you. Firstly, I'm not sure how you get lynching him would give the town access to someone else's ability. Lynching results in death, right? Mynd died. So whoever he took out, Mynd would still have died, and whatever the other person's ability was would die with Mynd.

 

And secondly, why hold off on providing this case when you made the vote in question? A sudden unexplained vote switch was risky, and it did in fact result in a few votes against you. I lost track of the number of posts I caught in my re-read that were suspicious of you for that reason.

 

Basel actually raises very good points here, especially the second. Say whatever you like now about your thought process at the time, you changed your vote very suddenly with no explanation for it (except to say when questioned that Mynd knows why... which your explanation doesn't really address for that matter)... and just now also voted me with no explanation. It's a habit that appears very suspicious.

 

Now for my vote. I'd been all set to vote Ishy until he promised an explanation, and then I held off till I saw what he had to say. Now that I've seen it, I don't see enough wrong with it to vote Ishy. But something has been itching at the back of my brain, without being able to put it into words for a while. Aemon wound up putting into words what I was having trouble figuring out:

 

Songstress also pings me, but not in any way that I can quote. It might just be the excess of "I'm new" posts followed by detailed evaluations of the game. For her second game (and the first not being finished yet) they were very well detailed. Those are my thoughts. I will discuss them more come dawn. Just wanted to get that out there.

 

This. Song has mentioned a few times that she is in only her second game. Except she isn't sounding like it's her second game. Her posts have sounded wise, logical, and well-informed. I'm in my second game as well, except that half the time I feel clueless. Song manages to sound like an expert. This pings me. I'm not feeling much else to go on, so I will vote Song.

 

Strange as it may sound, I'm actually somewhat gratified that people find me suspicious for this reason.

 

I have been obsessing about mafia pretty hardcore for the last couple of weeks, reading multiple completed games and learning as much as I could from watching games in process, staying up far too late to try to analyze and overanalyze... I really, really, REALLY hate sounding like I don't know what I'm doing, which is why I made the mistake early on of overemphasizing that I was new, because self-deprecating humor is my defense mechanism. If I feel stupid, I beat everyone else to the punch of calling me stupid. After it was hammered into me multiple times that it could be taken wrong, I made a concerted effort to curb myself and not throw every thought I had onto the screen. And to learn quick, because more than anything else I REALLY hate being bad at things I enjoy, and I'm enjoying this.

 

I don't think it's a valid reason for thinking I'm scum, but if you have to mistake me for scum, at least it's for me sounding too smart instead of making an idiotic mistake.

[Songstress]

Gah. Should probably read the rest of the thread more carefully before posting. :P

 

But reading the further explanation, I'm reserving judgment on the wisdom of the sneaky move.

[John E. Kelley]

Song, you may just be really (and I mean really) quick to pick up on the game. I'm sure it's happened before. There has to have been Mafia savants before. But it's so rare that I know I've never seen anyone pick up on the nuances of the game as well as you seem to have done. This quick, I can't help but think you're being coached on a QT. If you flip town, and I'm wrong, I'll be the first to beg forgiveness and sign up for every game you're in, because if this is legit, you're already really, really good. But my gut says you've got help. I suppose time will tell, but I can only go on what I've seen before.

 

And if you really are this good, and not being coached, then we've found good, fresh meat y'all. But I can't believe it. Not yet. My vote stands for now.

[Songstress]

Song, you may just be really (and I mean really) quick to pick up on the game. I'm sure it's happened before. There has to have been Mafia savants before. But it's so rare that I know I've never seen anyone pick up on the nuances of the game as well as you seem to have done. This quick, I can't help but think you're being coached on a QT. If you flip town, and I'm wrong, I'll be the first to beg forgiveness and sign up for every game you're in, because if this is legit, you're already really, really good. But my gut says you've got help. I suppose time will tell, but I can only go on what I've seen before.

 

And if you really are this good, and not being coached, then we've found good, fresh meat y'all. But I can't believe it. Not yet. My vote stands for now.

 

I've got the warm fuzzies, even if you are trying to kill me.

 

It's not quite enough for me not to find you suspicious, but rest assured I'mma stick around and hopefully next time we're in the same game, we won't have to demand one another's deaths.

[John E. Kelley]

But see, right there, you denied none of what I said. Iif I were in your place, I'd have cried foul big time. They could accuse me of stealing the church and I could have the steeple hanging out of my ass and I'd still say "Wasn't me."

[Songstress]

But see, right there, you denied none of what I said. Iif I were in your place, I'd have cried foul big time. They could accuse me of stealing the church and I could have the steeple hanging out of my ass and I'd still say "Wasn't me."

 

I could deny quite hotly that I'm being coached, but what point would that serve? Only Kae can verify that, and she's obviously not going to.

 

In my response to Basel I indicated that I've been doing something of a self-study crash course in mafia. You all are providing me quite the education, in this and other threads. I started a game on Mafia Scum right before this game got going, and I ended up pulling out of it weekend before last because I was stressing myself out trying to give 100% in both games, and I liked the atmosphere and the people I was playing with better over here. But they did teach me a lot about how to be thorough in analysis. They will jump all the heck over anyone who doesn't give sufficient reasoning for their opinions... and I first learned the WoT from them.

 

You should see what I'm doing right now following Wombat's ASoIaF game - I offered to be a replacement if he needs one, so to keep up with the action there I've created a spreadsheet where I copy/paste the text of EVERY POST in the thread, and then analyze what I think they're trying to do and what implications I should watch for from it (except for obv spam)... It's actually frightening how OCD I've become.

 

In my spare time, I'm a blogger and procrastinating would-be writer, so I have a lot of experience making my thoughts sound logical. I also have experience doing improv comedy, which can come in handy in all sorts of thinking-on-my-feet situations.

 

So yeah. Not being coached whatsoever. After this game, I have a few people in mind that I'd like to have tutor me in Devious Plotting 101, because I believe that's my weak point.

 

:)

[Sakaea]

But see, right there, you denied none of what I said. Iif I were in your place, I'd have cried foul big time. They could accuse me of stealing the church and I could have the steeple hanging out of my ass and I'd still say "Wasn't me."

 

Mod props for making me laugh so hard it hurt

[Basel Gill]

Strange as it may sound, I'm actually somewhat gratified that people find me suspicious for this reason.

 

I just love a good irony!

 

But see, right there, you denied none of what I said. Iif I were in your place, I'd have cried foul big time. They could accuse me of stealing the church and I could have the steeple hanging out of my ass and I'd still say "Wasn't me."

 

I think in that situation, I would be saying "OUCHOUCHOUCHOUCH!"

[John E. Kelley]

I think in that situation, I would be saying "OUCHOUCHOUCHOUCH!"

No worse than a prostate exam methinks.

[Songstress]

I think in that situation, I would be saying "OUCHOUCHOUCHOUCH!"

No worse than a prostate exam methinks.

 

Have you SEEN a church steeple?

 

Never mind, I don't want to get that mental picture. I'm trying really hard to avoid it.

 

Shhhhh.

[Sakaea]

Gonna go poke out my mental eye now, kthanxbai

[Amadine]

Sorry Songs but i have got to agree with Ishy on this one. It doesn't feel right that you have come so far so fast without a coach.

 

 

VOTE SONGSTRESS

[Sakaea]

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT:

 

Ishy (1) -- Song

 

Basel (1) -- BG

 

Song (4) -- Ishy, Basel, Ama, Levity

 

Not Voting: Turin, Red, Amega

 

With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch.

[Levity]

Vote: Songstress

 

I like how she pushed my case extra hard out of everyone else.

Claiming finder with Not Town on Song. Not like it seems it matters anyway, and I was waiting a bit for some things to develop, but there you go. I think she should be lynched today.

[John E. Kelley]

Vote: Songstress

 

I like how she pushed my case extra hard out of everyone else.

Claiming finder with Not Town on Song. Not like it seems it matters anyway, and I was waiting a bit for some things to develop, but there you go. I think she should be lynched today.

Makes me feel much better about my decision. I have to admit, I really wanted to believe that we had struck gold with Song. I feel much better about my reads now. And I was told to trust you Lev. By people I want to believe. We'll see how this plays out. Songs coroner report will settle many questions for me.

[bgrishinko]

Vote: Songstress

 

I believe Levity. I've got a confession for some, including Songstress. I'm not really finder. Ive been telling people that to see what kind of reaction I'd get from people. Worked well on Nolder, and it has worked on Songstress.

[bgrishinko]

Unvote: Vote: Songstress