Kae's [BASIC] X-Men Mafia GAME OVER! TOWN WINS!!!

[aemonkristen]

So will I.

 

VOTE NOLDER

[Nolder]

just woke up

I have some chores to do but I'll get to that wall of text when I'm done

[Sakaea]

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT

 

Basel (1) -- BG

 

Nolder (1) -- Aemon

 

With 11 alive, it takes 7 to lynch

[Nolder]

alright let's see what we got here

 

i do not think Turin meant any hard with his comment, he was merely teasing me for my infamous Day 1 reputation heh.

 

vote nolder for tryoing to get Turin lynched for such an innoculous thing

 

Votes Nolder out of the gate. We all know that this is a common tactic with scum to try and distance themselves, but this is not always the case. I am filing this as worth noting, but essentially a null tell without further connections.

Like I said before

I'm not responsible for the decisions Hoof makes and it is ridiculous to hold me accountable for them

 

...(I messed up the quotes here and don't feel like figuring out how to fix them, please refer to aemons original post if you want to see what was said - Nolder)

 

Attacks Mynd for placing a third vote, effectively removing his vote from Nolder. Still a null tell, but looking a bit more suspicious.

at least you're admitting it's a nulltell now

let's see how long you stick to that though

 

indeed.

 

vote mynd for starting a bandwagon. MUCH more suspicious than putting someone on 2 votes.

 

I gave my reasons - and you should be careful putting your vote on little ol' me.

 

oooh!

 

I'm trembling in my custom baby seal-leather boots!

 

1st don't skim. in my first post i casted two votes, both legit; so right there your reason is faulty.

1. All votes must be in BOLD RED

2. Voting for someone not in the game is not a valid vote and obviously wont be counted

 

true.

 

 

if you guys want to think me talking about my fav X-man is role hinting, then on your own heads be it.

so why don't you do everyone, including yourself, a favor and tell us if you were trying to role hint Gambit or not

 

Pushing for her roleclaim while you are the lead lynch? Where are your manners?

 

hardly pushing for a roleclaim mynd, merely asking for clarification that she WASNT.

 

hinting is generally not ok with me

and since we're talking about role hinting I see even less harm in Red clarifying whether or not she was in fact claiming Gambit as there are many possible roles one could give Gambit

 

precisely. Nolder wasnt asking IF she was gambit, but asking her to say if the is CLAIMING him.

 

So then, if she forgets to properly format her vote, it gives no clue to her thinking or her role? She did vote me, however briefly. Just because it wasn't bold or red doesn't mean we can't read anything into it.

 

Unvote. Vote Nolder.

 

clearly a different situation. You are pinging my scum-dar Basel....

 

 

*snip*

 

very impressive for your second game and very accurate too it would seem.

 

 

anywho, the last few pages have merely reinforced my opinion. Since i forgot to unvote last time, i shall do so now.

 

unvote

 

vote mynd

 

In this extremely long quote with his remarks inside, he defends Nolder's actions to Mynd, Red and Basel. This is also the first post that pinged e hard enough for me to cast a vote on Blackhoof.

so you admit it's a nulltell and continue saying I'm scummy for the things Blackhoof does

ok

 

(quotes)

This is where Hoof and Nolder go on record as disagreeing with each other. Nolder claims that Hoof's vote was opportunistic and rushing to get the day over with, but explains that he would rather lynch Red because she might be able to talk her way out of a lynch. FoS without voting for it. Looks like distancing to me.

so far as I'm concerned this is the only valid criticism of me you can make concerning Hoof

like I said previously I was trying to give Hoof a pass for today because he always looks scummy and because I was still trying to push a lynch on Red

as I also said I was considering going back on that and voting Hoof anyway but he died before I did

not much of a defense I know but it's the truth

 

FoS Hoof for bandwagoning like that

 

what do you expect on Day 1? a WoT case a page long? unfortunately on day 1 we must vote for the person we think is SCUMMIEST, not who we are 100% certain are scum. that is what I am doing

 

the rest of you...I think you honestly believe it was scummy because you don't have much experience with games with free communication so until I have better reads I'm letting you off the hook

 

like mynd said, the mere act of using the free communication thing was not very scummy, it was the content that was scummy. in conjunction with BG's open lurkyness. i dont like lurkyness.....

 

but Hoofs vote was opportunistic and screams of rushing to get the day over with and securing a lynch on a very good player

 

what does it matter if he is good? he is either an asset or a threat, and if he is acting scummy, the chances of him actually beign a threat increase.

 

I also never ever like it when people put votes in posts with big images

it always seems like they're trying to hide

 

do you think i am.... compensating for something?

 

I will be watching closely to see who votes BG after Hoof

 

I'm not going to change my vote as of yet because even if Hoof is her partner I believe Red is the more dangerous player here and it'd be much better if we got rid of her early as she's generally more capable of smooth talking her way out of a lynch than Hoof

I'm also giving Hoof the day to get his act together just in case this is one of those moments where he's incredibly scummy even though he's actually town

 

so your argument to defend BG is "no no hes a good player" and your argument agaisnt red is "yes, kill her, she is a good player!"....

 

seems like you are either distancing from an ally or trying to get a townie lynched.... either one is bad.

 

Again, Hoof throws an FoS at Nolder and explains exactly why he is scummy....but keeps his vote where it is. Looks like distancing to me.

 

 

you have a point about Mynd though

 

although I wonder if it's not some super gambit between THREE scum

that would be devious and something I can see the three of you cooking up

really taking advantage of the game mechanics eh?

if BG were scum and Mynd was town why wouldn't he just deny that he ever sent the PM and claim Mynd is trying to incriminate him?

maybe because the entire thing hinges on him admitting to it eh?

 

or maybe not

I do often get these crazy ideas for what the scum could be doing and it's usually far more complex and than what is actually happening

I'm not going to let myself get fixated on my crazy idea this game but I'll definitely watch to see how you three interact in the future

 

who is the third player?

 

although there should be no future for Red because we should lynch her today

let's get off BG and do that ok guys? ok cool

 

you seem to be sarcastic..... but you might be serious..... very strange and scummy behavious, nolder.

 

replies in bold

 

Again with the FoS without a vote.

 

 

I'm about to go to sleep so I barely skimmed the new posts, will reply to them more thoroughly in the morning

 

I just wanted to say that I wasn't making fun of Red

not really sure what gave you that idea

 

 

well, the way you phrased that last bit was more extreme than your past badgering of red, and you never called for her lynch before. i thought you might be using sarcasm, but you just basically said you werent, so now i am confused.....

 

Situation suddenly defuses itself. Odd. Looks like they didn't want it to spillover into the next game day and cause one of them to get lynched.

 

@Nolder: i think the definition is very clear. the setups and roles are clear for all to see in the stickied "how to setup and mod a mafia game" thread, and if im not mistaken it reccommends for all players and/or mods to read it before hosting a game. (could be wrong on the last bit though)

 

sorry i havent been posting lately- i have been distracted with shcool starting and cant dedicate as much time as usual to mafia :(

 

anyway, recent events (including a PM I received) have convinced me of BG's innocence. Likewise, i am now VERY suspicious of Mynd. Basel's scumminess so far i am confident to write off as newbness. As for Mynd's claims of a non-basic power, i find them highly unlikely, as Sakaea knows very well the template for standard games and would most likely get told off for including advanced roles in a basic game.

 

Buuuuuut.....

 

im too scared to hammer mynd :(

 

on one hand, i dont want to die, on the other, i want mynd to die since he is scummy, and his claims are so unlikely.....

 

 

Sakaea, i will modkill you in my game if i die now because you broke the setup rules ;)

 

unvote

 

vote mynd

 

Bold is mine. This post explains why I said that Hoof hammered because he thought the bomb was a bluff. This is listed as a basic game and the guidelines for DM do not include a bomb in a basic setup. I am interested to see what other variations have been introduced. Clearly I cannot continue considering this a basic game or we may lynch another townie through disbelief in the role they claim.

 

alright I'm gonna leave your quotes here for this one

1. Still blaming me for Hoofs scummy actions. I am not Hoof.

2. I think the situation defused because I explained myself. Explaining yourself tends to do that when misunderstandings occur.

3. There are no specific guidelines as to what is and isn't allowed in Basic games. I don't want to bring this into the game because really it has nothing to do with the game but I don't want you to be confused either. I talked to Verbal about how distinctions are made between Basic and Advanced games and long story short (I'll be posting a thread about it after the game don't worry) he agreed that the example roles listed in the sticky were causing confusion about what IS and ISN'T allowed in Basic games and is going to remove them if he hasn't already. So yes basically there is no reason a Bomb can't be in a Basic game.

[Basel Gill]

*drums fingers in thought* Well, I had it all planned out to go back and run through Nol's past postings after work to figure out where he lay, but AK seems to have saved me the trouble. Which is good, since I'm quite tired now. The main thing that leapt out at me was the bit where the argument ebwteen Nol and Hoofy suddenly went to peace out of nowhere. That reeked of distancing without trying to look like distancing for me. I thought about voting BG, but that would just be an OMGUS, without any serious evidence that he is scum. I'm not nearly as sure he is scum as I was originally. BG's vote on me reeks of OMGUS despite the fact that I unvoted him several pages ago.

 

Vote Nolder

 

And Nol, I will be very interested when you do start a thread about what basic and advanced should entail.

[aemonkristen]

@Nolder- You repeatedly accuse me of blaming you for Hoof's scummy behavior when what I am doing is showing how the two of you have interacted. That interaction is what is suspect. I still believe you are scum for the interactions that I have shown and also for wanting everyone who received a PM from BG to talk to you about it.

[Red2111]

goign to do my re-read tomorrow in this game. but i wanted to post this

 

games ran here int eh Mafia Forum go through a vetting process by the Mafia Board of Governers. the people on this board are the best Mafia mods DM has to offer, so if a game is posted in this forum as Basic then you can trust its a Basic game.

 

the roles posted in the FAQ list are suggestions and examples, not cut and dry on whats allowed and what isn't. so this discussion on whether or not Kae's game is or isn't Basic because of roles is not only distracting but will get us no where.

 

 

so i ask, in the interest of the game, that it be dropped. if this wasn't a basic game, then it wouldn't be ran as a basic game. nuff said.

 

 

[Sakaea]

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT

 

Basel (1) -- BG

 

Nolder (2) -- Aemon, Basel

 

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch

 

Thanks. Fixed.

[Basel Gill]

Kae, if there are 11 left, wouldn't a majority be 6 instead of 7?

[Nolder]

The main thing that leapt out at me was the bit where the argument ebwteen Nol and Hoofy suddenly went to peace out of nowhere. That reeked of distancing without trying to look like distancing for me.

I don't understand what about this seems like distancing

it's not even game related

Hoof thought I was being a dick and said so

I explained that that was not my intentions

he then let it go

 

if the criteria for distancing is Accusation->Explanation->Reaction then everyone who has ever played mafia is guilty of it

 

I thought about voting BG, but that would just be an OMGUS, without any serious evidence that he is scum. I'm not nearly as sure he is scum as I was originally. BG's vote on me reeks of OMGUS despite the fact that I unvoted him several pages ago.

well that's a relief

I'm glad you've finally caught up to the rest of us

 

@Nolder- You repeatedly accuse me of blaming you for Hoof's scummy behavior when what I am doing is showing how the two of you have interacted. That interaction is what is suspect.

nonono

own up to what you're doing

you're saying Hoof is scummy and that you want to lynch me for what he's done

I have no control over what Hoof says or does, I am not Hoof

it makes no sense to lynch someone for someone else's scummy behavior

 

if you want to say -I- acted in a scummy way, towards Hoof or anyone else, that's perfectly fine but that is NOT what you are doing

 

like I said the only concern of yours which holds any validity is the fact that I FOS'd Hoof without placing a vote on him

everything else you're pointing to is just painting me as guilty for Hoofs crimes

 

and also for wanting everyone who received a PM from BG to talk to you about it.

mmmhmmmmm

you never did explain what the hell I was supposedly going to do with that information

"influence people"

I could easily have done that without having anyone PM me first

 

and let's be clear on what I was asking

I wanted people to PM me and tell me what BG told them

not "talk to them about it"

I was comparing notes to make sure BG told a straight story

considering he was on the chopping block at the time I don't think double checking to make sure everyone received the same claim was the wrong move

it would have been irresponsible of the entire Town if someone didn't check

[Sakaea]

Due to the discussion of what is or is not a basic role, consider this an official mod announcement.

This game, which I consider to be pretty basic, had one twist. That was Mynd's role of Absorber. His character, Rogue, absorbs the talents of whoever touches her. Therefore, his role was that he would absorb any action targeting him, and he would be able to use it, one ability per night. In addition, when he was lynched or NK'd, the person hammering, or the mafia member sending in the kill, if their character was required to touch Rogue to kill, they would also die.

I do not want any more discussion about this not being a basic game, please. I thought that would be a fun twist that fit in with the theme. Mynd dying on day 1 broke it, and I hadn't anticipated that. I'm sorry for that. Now, carry on!

[aemonkristen]

@Nolder- I have explained several times how asking people to PM you about receiving a PM from BG was scummy. You are scummy for doing it. I have repeated and quoted this discussion a number of times. If you wish to see it again, I suggest you go back and reread the thread. My vote stands.

[Nolder]

so it's scummy because it's scummy

got it

 

I'm curious to know what other people think about this

personally I felt I was doing something that any one of us should have done

it didn't have to be I was just the first one that happened to say it

[Songstress]

Nolder has been... baffling me all game so far, but that's pretty much entirely because of the hardcore tunneling on Red. It's like watching a hyperactive pitbull puppy playing with a chew toy -- kind of amusing to watch it gnawing the hell out of the thing, but slightly nerve-wracking if you're sitting too close. I just can't fathom how this decision made sense to him, either as town or as mafia, and because I can't understand it, it makes me wary.

 

The issue Aemon's raising, though, about the request to PM him when BG did his behind the scenes reveal, doesn't strike me as all that scummy. To be honest, it seemed like a smart idea at first glance. Checks and balances, and all that.

 

I'm getting accustomed to the open communication concept here, being on the receiving end of a few PMs. I'm starting to see how it could be useful, but anything that's said or done outside of the thread is subject to manipulation, misrepresentation, and outright fabrication. Within the thread, there's still the ability to twist someone's words, but everyone else can read it and make up their own mind on it.

 

For all we know, BG might have been playing any number of games there without someone suggesting they check up on it. He might have chosen to PM only Mynd and have him deny it in the thread but unvote him anyway, and then see how many other rats jumped off the sinking ship. Or who knows what all -- my point is, it was a pretty good idea not to just take it at face value. I'm an X-files fan.

 

 

This isn't to say that everyone should have, or did, jump at Nolder's suggestion, or that those who did PM him trusted him in the least. And upon further thought, it probably wasn't entirely necessary, for the reasons we discussed when it first happened, but it doesn't mean it was a scummy suggestion IMHO.

[aemonkristen]

I like how you went from "It's a smart idea" to "It probably wasn't entirely necessary". You also say (through the X-Files pic) "trust No One", yet you do not find it strange to have someone trying to find out all the people BG PMed. Your reversal on the intelligence of Nolder's move and the fact that you did not find the move odd in the slightest makes me suspicious.

[Songstress]

I like how you went from "It's a smart idea" to "It probably wasn't entirely necessary". You also say (through the X-Files pic) "trust No One", yet you do not find it strange to have someone trying to find out all the people BG PMed. Your reversal on the intelligence of Nolder's move and the fact that you did not find the move odd in the slightest makes me suspicious.

 

(emphasis mine)

Let me help clarify this...

 

The issue Aemon's raising, though, about the request to PM him when BG did his behind the scenes reveal, doesn't strike me as all that scummy. To be honest, it seemed like a smart idea at first glance. Checks and balances, and all that.

 

When Nolder first posted his suggestion, I thought "hmm, that makes sense to me"... because BG's choice not to post his reveal openly meant he could have chosen to play any number of games that we may or may not have known about.

 

This isn't to say that everyone should have, or did, jump at Nolder's suggestion, or that those who did PM him trusted him in the least. And upon further thought, it probably wasn't entirely necessary, for the reasons we discussed when it first happened, but it doesn't mean it was a scummy suggestion IMHO.

 

Because after I got the PM and thought about the implications, and after I read your post, Aemon, I decided that depending on how many people he decided to PM, it could have been a pretty big risk to lie, depending on what he was trying to do. I'm still learning what I'm doing here, and should have been asleep hours ago, so the examples I have running through my head for what tricksy moves he might have tried to pull I'm sure are unworkable, but I think BG's probably smart enough to plot quite effectively if he wanted to.

 

"Wasn't entirely necessary" doesn't mean it was a horrible or scummy idea in my estimation. If you disagree, so be it. And I don't personally think he was trying to find out all the people BG PM'd, I think he was trying to make sure at least one person checked up on BG. I have no idea if anyone actually did respond to him. If they did, I would hope it was because they also didn't want to just read BG's PM and say "oh, so that's it then" and have no idea whether they got played.

 

Like I said, I'm still trying to figure Nolder out and wouldn't trust him any farther than I can throw him right now. I just don't think this particular instance was all that suspicious.

[Sakaea]

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT

 

Basel (1) -- BG

 

Nolder (2) -- Aemon, Basel

 

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch

 

Have a good weekend everyone.

[Amadine]

Full re-read coming up with my take on things i feel are odd

 

pages 1 through 5 (on my screen 40 posts/page)

Hello everybody. Predictions.

 

Mynd, Nolder and BG are definitely mafia. Hoof is town but will get lynched today anyway.

 

Interesting in light that Mynd flipped town and Hoof flipped scum.

 

i do not think Turin meant any hard with his comment, he was merely teasing me for my infamous Day 1 reputation heh.

 

vote nolder for tryoing to get Turin lynched for such an innoculous thing

 

Again - Hoof flipped scum and he had defended Turin to the point of a Nolder vote here.

 

Lining up lynches? you one crazy pokemon. That was obviously a joke. The only game I've ever played with Hoof that he made it past the first day(heroes v villains) he got dead N2 due to a bunch of crazy shenanigans. Your replacement got killed in the same mess. Heck last game he didn't live long enough to to get lynched D1. My joke with BG is that he is ALWAYS mafia, even when he isn't. Mynd is proud his beard makes him look mafia, and you can't help but ping everyone you come across. I still don't know how you managed to live so long when you were CL in Ama's game.

 

*give Ama a really big hat to help with impression*

 

 

It was not "obviously" a joke - i read it the same way that Nolder did and so did others most likely.

 

so i think the turin and nolder thang was just some town on town. Although regardless of it being a joke vote or breadcrumming potential lynches. I cant stand when people go straight for the big game. Its no fun and not fair for them.

 

I have no clue whats up with nolder and red..it seems like they are still doing some joke voting. It was quite random. I get the feeling that mynd is a very paranoid person

 

 

Amega's "town on town" comment pings here, but which is he protecting?

 

Hey everyone.

 

Personally I don't think Red was trying to claim Gambit. It looked like she just wanted to express her appreciation for that character. I believe Red is from the region as her Team is the Saints and she uses the Geaux spelling and whatnot.

 

 

 

Agreed

 

1. All votes must be in BOLD RED

 

So then, if she forgets to properly format her vote, it gives no clue to her thinking or her role? She did vote me, however briefly. Just because it wasn't bold or red doesn't mean we can't read anything into it.

 

Unvote. Vote Nolder.

 

This strike me as a vote of convienence (take notes, Hoofy) that reeks of a bandwagon hopping. Nolder has been actively scumhunting and paying attention to the thread. As we are getting closer to deadline, these are the votes to look for from the scum to push a townie to lynch.

 

unvote

 

Vote Basel Gill

I agree with Mynd - Basel's vote was based on terrible reasoning and is suspicious.

And....it just got personal. Basel, have you ever played with Nol before? I'm just saying, this has all been quite tame by Nolder's standards. Wait until he gets really mad.

 

Ishy, up till this game, I don't think I have even heard of Nolder before. (Not that I can remember, at least.)

 

Nol, I figure I've been basing my impressions of you solely on Mafia. Solely on this game, in fact (see above.) I'm having a bit of trouble getting used to how vicious the game can be. I apologize for my comment.

 

Unvote. Vote... no idea now.

Basel, if you think this has been vicious you had best grow a thicker skin if you want to continue playing - this game has been incredibly mild so far.Also on this post - mild pressure was applied and Basel folded under it and unvoted - PING

Pardon the potential wall 'o' text... this being my second game ever (concurrent with my first over at MafiaScum), I'm still getting a handle on how I feel comfortable participating in the discussion. Since I haven't played with y'all before, and am still trying to get a feel for who's who and what to expect, I'm likely to psych myself out and be realllllly tentative at first. Hopefully in a few days I'll be ready to bare the claws and get down to srs bzns...

 

Thoughts/impressions:

 

Nolder: acting pretty suspicious to me, especially with the nitpicking on Red. This may just be an aggressive playstyle and I'm trying to hold back a while longer before declaring this definitively scummy.

 

Red: seemed a bit evasive in her answer about the possible role hinting issue. Little suspicion-tingle, but I'll reserve judgment until I have more to go on.

 

Ishy: appears to be defending Nolder. Could be just taking a step back and looking at things rationally (the whole argument has been kind of nitpicky so far IMO but I guess right out of the gate you have to seize whatever you can find to start the scumhunt) but if Nolder flips scum, I'mma have to look harder at this one. (Also, Forsaken. I just can't get past this. ;) )

 

Amega: pretty much the same as Ishy IMO. Looks like he's defending Nolder as this is joking that's gotten a little carried away. Which it could be... if not, he jumps up the suspicious list.

 

Mynd: Reading back through the thread, it does look like he was the first to suggest Red was role hinting, and that "you want to be really careful about putting your vote on me" thing just made my skin crawl. Appears to be doing some serious role hinting of his own. Of course, I've read through a few games Mynd was in, and he made me think scum even when he wasn't. Maybe my scum-dar is broken. But he and Nolder are pretty high on my list right now.

 

Aemon, Levity, Hoof: These four appear to be going about things intelligently and thoughtfully. Feels like town to me.

 

Basel: Pretty hardcore in defending Red and going after Nolder... reminds me of myself in my other game right now. And in my other game, I'm being called "newbtown". *sniffle*

 

Ama: Jumped on Mynd pretty fast about his possible veiled threat. Feels like town to me, unless the Mynd train turns up a mislynched townie, then I might reconsider.

 

Turin: Hasn't said much, but appears to be thoughtful about what has been said. Neutral ATM.

 

BG: Hasn't said a word since we stopped discussing the source material ad infinitum. Mafia laying low? I think he could use some pressure.

 

Unvote

 

Vote BG

Interesting. First game on DM and diving in with WoTs? And after a couple of spammy posts a pressure vote on BG no less, coached?

if you guys want to think me talking about my fav X-man is role hinting, then on your own heads be it.

so why don't you do everyone, including yourself, a favor and tell us if you were trying to role hint Gambit or not

 

Pushing for her roleclaim while you are the lead lynch? Where are your manners?

 

hardly pushing for a roleclaim mynd, merely asking for clarification that she WASNT.

 

hinting is generally not ok with me

and since we're talking about role hinting I see even less harm in Red clarifying whether or not she was in fact claiming Gambit as there are many possible roles one could give Gambit

 

precisely. Nolder wasnt asking IF she was gambit, but asking her to say if the is CLAIMING him.

 

So then, if she forgets to properly format her vote, it gives no clue to her thinking or her role? She did vote me, however briefly. Just because it wasn't bold or red doesn't mean we can't read anything into it.

 

Unvote. Vote Nolder.

 

clearly a different situation. You are pinging my scum-dar Basel....

 

 

*snip*

 

very impressive for your second game and very accurate too it would seem.

 

 

anywho, the last few pages have merely reinforced my opinion. Since i forgot to unvote last time, i shall do so now.

 

unvote

 

vote mynd

 

Hoof is usually too careful to be seen as buddying up to someone - yet here he blatantly defends Nol and touches on Songstress' WoT.<br class="Apple-interchange-newline">

All right, I've given my vote quite a bit of thought overnight. My original vote was a joke, and then I made my second vote when I let my emotions get the worst of me. I'm going to go with BG, since, as mentioned, he has been pretty quiet here, aside from discussing the theme material. He has been pretty active over in the game I'm in at the WK, so I'm guessing that it isn't RL interfering with his DM time, or he would be equally quiet in both threads. I'm thinking that it's the quiet one that we gotta watch.

Vote BG.

Basel flip flops here again and replaces the BG vote. PING

Mynd, I would also find that suspicious, especially if it didn't include the mod in the PM. It's at the very least worth an FoS.It's not exactly a cardinal sin or anything really heavy, but it does smell funky.

And here we have Basel sucking up to Mynd - noted.

As this game is open to free communication... Was that a Rogue hint there? If so, I don't like how Turin threw that out on thread.

 

Maybe it is, maybe it isn't. Touch me and find out! ;)

 

Received this PM from BGrishinko just now, here is my response. I'm all for open communication in this game, especially when we wanna keep things from the scum; however, the nature of his question seems like he wants to do his rolefishing privately.

 

Also, he tosses a slam at Turin as well. Distancing himself from him already?

 

unvote

 

vote BG

 

this is what made you seem less scummy Mynd. BG is now, in my books, scummier than you. congratulations. have a cookie.

 

unvote

 

vote BG

 

I'm feeling an opportunistic vote on BG here due to the fact Hoof flipped scum.

OK. Maybe it's just my lack of experience (with much of anything, much less games with free communication)... but the way I see it is just because it's allowed doesn't mean it's necessarily in the best interests of the town. Perhaps if you think there's someone you can trust to plot with behind the scenes -- but at this stage, how do you know who to trust? Only mafia is going to know 100% who's trustworthy, and for town, anything someone else tells you has to be taken with a huge grain of salt until they're proven one way or the other. Getting information that others can't use may help you, but it seems like selfish play, and selfish is... suspicious. In my newb opinion. For what THAT is worth, which admittedly is... enough to keep Nolder from trying to lynch me for now >.<

 

Continuing newb references - noted

Newbie's head explodes, film at 11...

 

Don't mind me, just betraying my utter lack of understanding. Guess the lack of certainty right now about who to trust is driving me slightly nuts. Having to second guess EVERYTHING except myself is... nerve wracking. I suppose later in the game I may see a circumstance where it makes sense. :P

 

Posting from my phone on my break at work, hope this actually goes through.

 

Again...

Since you bring it up, the constant posts about being a newbie are starting to ping me as well. It's starting to look like a sympathy ploy.

 

You know that whole thing about the mafia having a guilty conscience.....its as if Songstress feels all eyes on her when no one has really been worried about her....until now.

 

Agreed with both.

tbc

[Amadine]

although there should be no future for Red because we should lynch her today

let's get off BG and do that ok guys? ok cool

 

Except that BG is scum for reasons which have been well-explained already, so I don't feel like bothering with an explanation which would be redundant (lest someone accuse me of dropping the S-word without an explanation), and we alreayd have a good train going for him. If we break down the BG train with just two votes to go. we'd have to take the time to build a whole new one for Red, and then get the BG train going all over again after Day 2 starts. I'd sooner lynch BG now, and worry about Red later.

 

PING! - biggest one of the game so far - reeks of a rush to lynch BG

 

Well, I've been at L-2 for a while and I don't think that's going to change and everyone is just going to want me dead for info anyway. However, I don't believe this is a good idea. I'm going to choose a few people that I trust and send them a PM of my role. They can help decide my fate and decide if I'm lying or not.

 

 

I think that maybe all of our scum were already on the BG lynch... his count at this stage was - BG (4) -- Turin, Song, Basel, Hoof

I heard from BG also and am inclined to believe him, if only because it'd be fantastically audacious otherwise -- major risk if he didn't tell everyone the same thing (as Aemon suggested), and he'd have to get awfully lucky not to hit the wrong person with that claim if it wasn't true.

 

Unvote BG

 

In light of this information I'll be re-evaluating my suspicions, Basel looks a lot more suspicious, Nolder's still looking shifty, and I have no idea what to think about Mynd. Back when I've given this some more thought.

 

One PM from BG and she backs off what was previously a vote she strongly backed herself on, granted i happen to agree with the sentiment - yes i got a PM as well.

 

He will be a much better lynch candidate because he tried to be a stealthy bandwagon hopper but failed to explain why, even to the point of getting cross.

 

Well, I was cross because I don't see a need for typing out a whole big explanation that I have already typed out once. My opinion on BG hasn't changed, but the whole PM issue which rose up has only helped to bolster it. I might as well pull out a claim now and say that I am vanilla, not that I expect to be fully believed.

 

A vanilla claim with only 4 out of 7 required votes? PING

 

 

When I give an explanation once, I shouldn't HAVE to give it again. IS IT SO FAR-FETCHED THAT I JUST DON'T WANT TO WASTE TIME REPEATING MYSELF? I'd love to know how whether or not I am scum depends on whether or not other people are capable of reading the thread before they post.

 

Over-reaction much?

 

Oh, Basel. Oh Basel, no, no, no, NO. Vanilla? Even the lamest of the X-Men, like Banshee or Nightcrawler or that pansy ass Cyclops, can't be Vanilla. Even damn Jubilee. Or Red's hero that spins a stick and tosses playing cards (snicker). Just by being what they are (mutants) all of them have to have some type of action, even if it's really weak ( like spinning a stick or having a mystical Hoyle deck). Vanilla? Nah, don't see it happening.

 

*noted*

 

this feels off to me. it feels forced, and screams of a false claim.

 

i totlaly agree that theres a good chance that there are vanillas in this game of both alignments, so it's not the claim that pings me. it's more of the way it's worded and the feelign it gives off. that and the emo melt down after just feel forced.

 

i'm only ify on voting Basel because Mynd is pushing the lynch so hard and my gut is screaming not to trust Mynd in this game at all.

 

Forced? Yes. False claim? No. If you were town, and facing a lynch, wouldn't you want to do whatever you could to save your own skin? I know this may sound like WIFOM*, but I'm not coming up with any good ways to convince anyone that I'm not scum. If I had some kind of in-game powers, as opposed to mutant powers I mean, I would actually want to keep that quiet. While claiming cop or doc may save my skin today, it would put a sure target on my back at night. And also deprive the town of a useful role, not that it matters to a dead person. So fine, it's just something I thought might potentially be helpful to my case by coming right out and saying that I am vanilla town. It felt like my only viable option at the time, so I would call that forced. It's not like I'm going to blow up a whole planet or anything with some kind of power. (For one thing, I don't have that large a special effects budget.)

 

Now a few words as to my own vote. I've thought a bit about this. BG has been more active the last couple of days in the thread, and I've come to the conclusion that my original logic no longer really applies. Mynd, as Red noted, is pushing my lynching a bit harder than you would expect for town. He might even seem a little overeager. One thing I've picked up during this thread that I didn't know before is that pushing a lynch on someone too hard is usually considered a scum tell. I think Mynd's argument for me would qualify.

 

Unvote. Vote Mynd

 

*I think this would be a correct usage of the term. I'm not sure, though.

 

**Just so you all know, if you kill me, anyone who votes me is gonna have my ghost haunting them for the rest of their lives.

 

Quite a long way to say "i'm jumping to the next most viable lynch after my own train"

 

Unvote. Vote Mynd.

 

Care to elaborate?

Oh.....he knows why.

 

How about now?

 

Ever witness a move that is so saturated in scum it makes your brain hurt?

 

Yes, in fact, but I have yet to successfully convince anyone of said move's scumminess. (And I am not referring to a move in this game.) I do like the turn of phrase, though.

 

I'm thinking that Ishy's switch of vote from me to Mynd indicates that Ishy is town. Since I know that I am town, regardless of what anyone else says, it follows that Ishy could have either been:

A. legitimately convinced that I am scum, or

2. Ishy is scum himself, and helping to get a townie lynched. But then...

 

Ishy unvoted me. Since my argument assumes as a given that I am town, scum-Ishy would have no really good reason to impede my potential death. Until his switch, I was still leading the voting. Scum-Ishy would know that I am town, and should want to encourage the lynching of a townie who happens to be in the lead. That isn't what happened... which leaves me with the more plausible option of town-Ishy.

 

How many times can one person mention they are town? We heard you the first time Basel, and glorification of Ishy for moving his vote is not required. Never presume to know what the scum are up to - it will bite you in the arse almost every time.

 

anyway, recent events (including a PM I received) have convinced me of BG's innocence. Likewise, i am now VERY suspicious of Mynd. Basel's scumminess so far i am confident to write off as newbness.

 

Hoof distances from Basel here... interesting though BG that you sent a PM to Hoof... did you send one to everyone?

 

Hoof's strategy here seems to be a bit wonky. Since he is scum, he knows who is on what team. It doesn't seem to make much sense for him to place the hammer on someone who might wind up killing him as well when there is another townie who is close to lynching. If he votes me, then there's a 6-6 tie with Levity still not voting. And let's remember that at this point, Turin has offered to unvote Mynd and then revote, making a noble sacrifice if Mynd's claim is true. Hoof knows both Mynd and I are town. Why doesn't he either go for the lynch that doesn't result in his potential death and revealment as scum, or manipulate someone else into hammering Mynd?

 

The preceding argument is, like my case regarding Ishy earlier, based upon the given that I am town. I know this but no one else does. Maybe a Cop, if we have one, will check into me. However, Hoof's vote doesn't even make much sense with scum-Basel. Assuming me to be scum, he would be protecting me and wiping out a townie. But once again, he has no way of knowing if Mynd's power claim is true. Which brings us back to the second issue in the case of town-Basel. Why take the risk of hammering Mynd and dying in the process? There are two others who could be talked into being the final vote, including one who is willing to take the risk. Scum are outnumbered enough that a 1-for-1 trade like we had is bad for them. And I got enough votes that assuming scum-Basel is true, any reprieve Hoof bought me wouldn't last for long. Which leads me to the only reasoning I can come up with for either scum-Basel or town-Basel that would explain Hoofy's move here. Hoofy was protecting a scum, and it isn't me. (And oh yeah, I'm not scum.) He was trying to preserve a townie lynching without risking a scum who hasn't yet been suspected (at least not much).

 

Who was Hoofy protecting here? The first names that come to mind for me are Turin and Levity, due to the voting situation I already outlined. I don't think I've seen any posts from either of them that reek of scum. I think Turin is more likely town, because scum-Turin wouldn't have made the offer to unvote and then be the hammer. Why not? Same reasons as Hoof shouldn't have: hammering Mynd is maybe lethal, for all anyone knew at this stage. (Keep in mind I'm only taking into account what people knew at the time, not what we know now.) If Levity is town, there's no way of scum knowing which way she would vote. She can't be a sure vote on Mynd. I've never met or heard of Levity before this game, so I don't have much of a read on her Meta to know either way. Maybe it's neither of them. Maybe it's someone we've considered and backed off from after only giving them one or two votes. Any thoughts on this?

 

Another post filled with "but i'm town!!!" getting scummier by the minute...

 

*drums fingers in thought* Well, I had it all planned out to go back and run through Nol's past postings after work to figure out where he lay, but AK seems to have saved me the trouble. Which is good, since I'm quite tired now. The main thing that leapt out at me was the bit where the argument ebwteen Nol and Hoofy suddenly went to peace out of nowhere. That reeked of distancing without trying to look like distancing for me. I thought about voting BG, but that would just be an OMGUS, without any serious evidence that he is scum. I'm not nearly as sure he is scum as I was originally. BG's vote on me reeks of OMGUS despite the fact that I unvoted him several pages ago.

 

Vote Nolder

 

And Nol, I will be very interested when you do start a thread about what basic and advanced should entail.

 

Very opportunistic vote here...

So at this point in time i am going to vote for the person i feel has been the most suspicion since the beginning. Basel has been giving off nervous newbie scum vibes the whole game.

VOTE BASEL

[Sakaea]

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT

 

Basel (2) -- BG, Ama

 

Nolder (2) -- Aemon, Basel

 

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch

[Basel Gill]

Quite a long way to say "i'm jumping to the next most viable lynch after my own train"

What, you don't expect someone who gravitates toward the Browns to have a wordy personality?

 

How many times can one person mention they are town? We heard you the first time Basel, and glorification of Ishy for moving his vote is not required. Never presume to know what the scum are up to - it will bite you in the arse almost every time.

 

Gee, god forbid I should actually conduct a meaningful analysis, and contribute something useful to the discussion.

 

Another post filled with "but i'm town!!!" getting scummier by the minute...

 

Ditto to my last comment. How about you try actually reading the entire post I make instead of just the bits where I mention my own alignment? I've been trying to help the town out by figuring out who might be scum and who might be town. If you disagreed with my logic and cared to point out the holes in my reasoning, I could be understanding. However, for you to do as you have done, and completely ignore what I felt were valid points in favor of what you call "but I'm town" (which consists of three words, a small fraction of what I wrote), I'm honestly somewhat insulted.

Very opportunistic vote here... So at this point in time i am going to vote for the person i feel has been the most suspicion since the beginning. Basel has been giving off nervous newbie scum vibes the whole game. VOTE BASEL

 

And finally, Ama, I have a question for you. You seem to feel that I've mentioned being town excessively. What would you do in my shoes?* If you had a lot of players saying you were scum, wouldn't you defend yourself from the accusations against you? Wouldn't you want to do everything in your power to stay alive? All the more so if you were being falsely accused. In short, why shouldn't I say that I am town?

 

*As I type this, I am actually barefoot.

[Red2111]

Ama's case on Basel is pretty good. i have yet to start on my re-read, been helping out gifting Valentine eggs over at DC instead *hides*

 

i've been getting a coached vibe from Basel for a while now.

 

VOTE: BASEL

 

yeah, my mouse is making doing anythign with quotes at the house damn near impossible. me thinks the optics are goign out *glares at my mouse* it took me twenty trys just to highlight my vote to go back and bold and color it

[Red2111]

heres part uno of my re-read. up to page 10, 12 more to geaux.

 

 

interesting that you'd defend him like that

I wonder if you're teammates that were trying to distance each other

of course you ruined the plan if that's the case since you just buddied him

I'll be watching you closely should Turin flip mafia

 

this pinged for linking Turin and Hoof together, especially seeing as Hoof flipped scum.

 

 

so i think the turin and nolder thang was just some town on town. Although regardless of it being a joke vote or breadcrumming potential lynches. I cant stand when people go straight for the big game. Its no fun and not fair for them.

 

I have no clue whats up with nolder and red..it seems like they are still doing some joke voting. It was quite random. I get the feeling that mynd is a very paranoid person

 

How are you so sure that Turin and Nolder are town? The only way you can be sure that at least one of them are town would be if you are mafia and know their alignment already. Likely defending Nolder and linking him with Turin.

 

Mynd brings up a very good point here.

 

 

Pardon the potential wall 'o' text... this being my second game ever (concurrent with my first over at MafiaScum), I'm still getting a handle on how I feel comfortable participating in the discussion. Since I haven't played with y'all before, and am still trying to get a feel for who's who and what to expect, I'm likely to psych myself out and be realllllly tentative at first. Hopefully in a few days I'll be ready to bare the claws and get down to srs bzns...

 

Thoughts/impressions:

 

Nolder: acting pretty suspicious to me, especially with the nitpicking on Red. This may just be an aggressive playstyle and I'm trying to hold back a while longer before declaring this definitively scummy.

 

Red: seemed a bit evasive in her answer about the possible role hinting issue. Little suspicion-tingle, but I'll reserve judgment until I have more to go on.

 

Ishy: appears to be defending Nolder. Could be just taking a step back and looking at things rationally (the whole argument has been kind of nitpicky so far IMO but I guess right out of the gate you have to seize whatever you can find to start the scumhunt) but if Nolder flips scum, I'mma have to look harder at this one. (Also, Forsaken. I just can't get past this. ;) )

 

Amega: pretty much the same as Ishy IMO. Looks like he's defending Nolder as this is joking that's gotten a little carried away. Which it could be... if not, he jumps up the suspicious list.

 

Mynd: Reading back through the thread, it does look like he was the first to suggest Red was role hinting, and that "you want to be really careful about putting your vote on me" thing just made my skin crawl. Appears to be doing some serious role hinting of his own. Of course, I've read through a few games Mynd was in, and he made me think scum even when he wasn't. Maybe my scum-dar is broken. But he and Nolder are pretty high on my list right now.

 

Aemon, Levity, Hoof: These four appear to be going about things intelligently and thoughtfully. Feels like town to me.

 

Basel: Pretty hardcore in defending Red and going after Nolder... reminds me of myself in my other game right now. And in my other game, I'm being called "newbtown". *sniffle*

 

Ama: Jumped on Mynd pretty fast about his possible veiled threat. Feels like town to me, unless the Mynd train turns up a mislynched townie, then I might reconsider.

 

Turin: Hasn't said much, but appears to be thoughtful about what has been said. Neutral ATM.

 

BG: Hasn't said a word since we stopped discussing the source material ad infinitum. Mafia laying low? I think he could use some pressure.

 

Unvote

 

Vote BG

 

while this is a good recap, i'd like to point out two things.

 

this is more of a recap than posting thoughts on whats happened; imo this reads more like wanting to appear as if your helping. 2nd, for this being your 2nd game you've either caught on very well, or your being coached. especially with the constant referances to you being a newb in majority of your posts up to page 10.

 

 

 

indeed.

 

vote mynd for starting a bandwagon. MUCH more suspicious than putting someone on 2 votes.

 

I gave my reasons - and you should be careful putting your vote on little ol' me.

 

oooh!

 

 

I'm trembling in my custom baby seal-leather boots!

 

1st don't skim. in my first post i casted two votes, both legit; so right there your reason is faulty.

1. All votes must be in BOLD RED

2. Voting for someone not in the game is not a valid vote and obviously wont be counted

 

true.

 

 

if you guys want to think me talking about my fav X-man is role hinting, then on your own heads be it.

so why don't you do everyone, including yourself, a favor and tell us if you were trying to role hint Gambit or not

 

Pushing for her roleclaim while you are the lead lynch? Where are your manners?

 

hardly pushing for a roleclaim mynd, merely asking for clarification that she WASNT.

 

hinting is generally not ok with me

and since we're talking about role hinting I see even less harm in Red clarifying whether or not she was in fact claiming Gambit as there are many possible roles one could give Gambit

 

precisely. Nolder wasnt asking IF she was gambit, but asking her to say if the is CLAIMING him.

 

So then, if she forgets to properly format her vote, it gives no clue to her thinking or her role? She did vote me, however briefly. Just because it wasn't bold or red doesn't mean we can't read anything into it.

 

Unvote. Vote Nolder.

 

clearly a different situation. You are pinging my scum-dar Basel....

 

 

*snip*

 

very impressive for your second game and very accurate too it would seem.

 

 

anywho, the last few pages have merely reinforced my opinion. Since i forgot to unvote last time, i shall do so now.

 

unvote

 

vote mynd

 

quoted this becuase imo Hoof was defending Nol alot in this post.

 

 

FoS Hoof for bandwagoning like that

 

the rest of you...I think you honestly believe it was scummy because you don't have much experience with games with free communication so until I have better reads I'm letting you off the hook

 

but Hoofs vote was opportunistic and screams of rushing to get the day over with and securing a lynch on a very good player

I also never ever like it when people put votes in posts with big images

it always seems like they're trying to hide

 

I will be watching closely to see who votes BG after Hoof

 

I'm not going to change my vote as of yet because even if Hoof is her partner I believe Red is the more dangerous player here and it'd be much better if we got rid of her early as she's generally more capable of smooth talking her way out of a lynch than Hoof

I'm also giving Hoof the day to get his act together just in case this is one of those moments where he's incredibly scummy even though he's actually town

 

and heres Nol distancing himself from Hoof after it being called out on thread that they seemed to be workign together.

 

 

 

 

i didn't quote alot of stuff on Nol becuase i'd only be saying what Aemon's already pointed out

[Amadine]

Quite a long way to say "i'm jumping to the next most viable lynch after my own train"

What, you don't expect someone who gravitates toward the Browns to have a wordy personality?

 

How many times can one person mention they are town? We heard you the first time Basel, and glorification of Ishy for moving his vote is not required. Never presume to know what the scum are up to - it will bite you in the arse almost every time.

 

Gee, god forbid I should actually conduct a meaningful analysis, and contribute something useful to the discussion.

 

Another post filled with "but i'm town!!!" getting scummier by the minute...

 

Ditto to my last comment. How about you try actually reading the entire post I make instead of just the bits where I mention my own alignment? I've been trying to help the town out by figuring out who might be scum and who might be town. If you disagreed with my logic and cared to point out the holes in my reasoning, I could be understanding. However, for you to do as you have done, and completely ignore what I felt were valid points in favor of what you call "but I'm town" (which consists of three words, a small fraction of what I wrote), I'm honestly somewhat insulted.

Very opportunistic vote here... So at this point in time i am going to vote for the person i feel has been the most suspicion since the beginning. Basel has been giving off nervous newbie scum vibes the whole game. VOTE BASEL

 

And finally, Ama, I have a question for you. You seem to feel that I've mentioned being town excessively. What would you do in my shoes?* If you had a lot of players saying you were scum, wouldn't you defend yourself from the accusations against you? Wouldn't you want to do everything in your power to stay alive? All the more so if you were being falsely accused. In short, why shouldn't I say that I am town?

 

*As I type this, I am actually barefoot.

 

Wow, over-defensive much? FYI i did read your posts - i re-read the entire thread and by the time i got to your third "i am town" post the decision to vote you had just about been made.

 

And i have been in your position - many times. In fact i just got day 1 lynched in Hoof's game for blundering what i was trying to say in an attempt to shake the tree and see what fell loose. Despite my vanilla town claim - which i might add was believed by some - i still got lynched. However i did not continue to throw the "i am town" line into over-defensive posts.

 

And it's certainly nothing personal Basel - there are no friends in mafia - its just a game.

[Red2111]

part dous of my re-read. up to page 19, here we geaux

 

 

A ploy is when someone consciously posts something or does something in an attempt to distract or fool their opponent.

 

Where many mafia end up revealing themselves in countless games is when they subconsciously do something scummy. Remember, they are the only ones who know who are scum and who are not. This also eats at their conscience subconsciously, so even the best of us are constantly questioning if what they post has revealed them or not.

 

Newbies who are on the scum team tend to overcompensate by constantly reinforcing the fact that they are new, as if its to explain their scummy behavior even if no one is watching.

 

I believe this is the case with Songstress.

 

^^ said in a better way that i could atm

 

 

you have a point about Mynd though

 

although I wonder if it's not some super gambit between THREE scum

that would be devious and something I can see the three of you cooking up

really taking advantage of the game mechanics eh?

if BG were scum and Mynd was town why wouldn't he just deny that he ever sent the PM and claim Mynd is trying to incriminate him?

maybe because the entire thing hinges on him admitting to it eh?

 

or maybe not

I do often get these crazy ideas for what the scum could be doing and it's usually far more complex and than what is actually happening

I'm not going to let myself get fixated on my crazy idea this game but I'll definitely watch to see how you three interact in the future

 

although there should be no future for Red because we should lynch her today

let's get off BG and do that ok guys? ok cool

 

notice how Nol latches onto the idea that Mynd anf BG could have both been scum pulling a gambit with the PM. this i see as opportunistic, and i posted that response as bati to see who would bite onto it.

 

note he also then goes on to not only dismiss the BG/Mynd gambit he just explonded on, but then puts out the possability of a three way between myself, BG, & Mynd.

 

 

so im feeling torn. Red has a good point on mynd and im inclined to vote him.

 

But nolders post has the feel as if he is making fun of reds post. It brings up the point that red and Mynd could be in cahoots! So the way im looking at this like so: If Bg's town then this makes it much more likely for mynd and red to be scum: If Bgs town it points more to mynd being scum...That and he basically has lead this lynch on bg, Altough i will continue to keep watch on red if so... im Gona take a minute to decide who to vote

 

latches onto the idea of a three way and runs buck wild with it. linking galore. ultra scumtastic.

 

 

FoS Hoof for bandwagoning like that

 

what do you expect on Day 1? a WoT case a page long? unfortunately on day 1 we must vote for the person we think is SCUMMIEST, not who we are 100% certain are scum. that is what I am doing

 

the rest of you...I think you honestly believe it was scummy because you don't have much experience with games with free communication so until I have better reads I'm letting you off the hook

 

like mynd said, the mere act of using the free communication thing was not very scummy, it was the content that was scummy. in conjunction with BG's open lurkyness. i dont like lurkyness.....

 

but Hoofs vote was opportunistic and screams of rushing to get the day over with and securing a lynch on a very good player

 

what does it matter if he is good? he is either an asset or a threat, and if he is acting scummy, the chances of him actually beign a threat increase.

 

I also never ever like it when people put votes in posts with big images

it always seems like they're trying to hide

 

do you think i am.... compensating for something?

 

I will be watching closely to see who votes BG after Hoof

 

I'm not going to change my vote as of yet because even if Hoof is her partner I believe Red is the more dangerous player here and it'd be much better if we got rid of her early as she's generally more capable of smooth talking her way out of a lynch than Hoof

I'm also giving Hoof the day to get his act together just in case this is one of those moments where he's incredibly scummy even though he's actually town

 

so your argument to defend BG is "no no hes a good player" and your argument agaisnt red is "yes, kill her, she is a good player!"....

 

seems like you are either distancing from an ally or trying to get a townie lynched.... either one is bad.

 

 

you have a point about Mynd though

 

although I wonder if it's not some super gambit between THREE scum

that would be devious and something I can see the three of you cooking up

really taking advantage of the game mechanics eh?

if BG were scum and Mynd was town why wouldn't he just deny that he ever sent the PM and claim Mynd is trying to incriminate him?

maybe because the entire thing hinges on him admitting to it eh?

 

or maybe not

I do often get these crazy ideas for what the scum could be doing and it's usually far more complex and than what is actually happening

I'm not going to let myself get fixated on my crazy idea this game but I'll definitely watch to see how you three interact in the future

 

who is the third player?

 

although there should be no future for Red because we should lynch her today

let's get off BG and do that ok guys? ok cool

 

you seem to be sarcastic..... but you might be serious..... very strange and scummy behavious, nolder.

 

replies in bold

 

more distancing between Hoof and Nol. the entire exchange feels like a guise.

 

 

This is rather interesting...

 

I'm still feeling Mynd as town after all of this, but since I've been easily convinced in the past I'm still going to be a little wary of everyone arguing vehemently right now (except for Ama, as I'm not getting any particular scum or town reads on her at the moment, just Wiki frustration)

 

starts her "firmly in Mynds camp" sign waving. this diserves an FoS as i believe atleast one scum woudl side themselves with Mynd seeing how against Mynd Hoof was.

 

 

although there should be no future for Red because we should lynch her today

let's get off BG and do that ok guys? ok cool

 

Except that BG is scum for reasons which have been well-explained already, so I don't feel like bothering with an explanation which would be redundant (lest someone accuse me of dropping the S-word without an explanation), and we alreayd have a good train going for him. If we break down the BG train with just two votes to go. we'd have to take the time to build a whole new one for Red, and then get the BG train going all over again after Day 2 starts. I'd sooner lynch BG now, and worry about Red later.

 

instead of touting the "i alreayd posted an explination" song and dance, why not quote where you explained it.

 

i also dislike the fact that your so willing to follow trians easily, first with BG and then with your apparent willingness to back Nols "lack of a case" witch lynch agaisnt myself.

 

also, even on my re-read, i fail to see how "he's active in other parts" is a good reason to lynch a person or even an indication of alignment.

 

 

in all seriousness I'm not scum this game

most games I haven't got a clue why people seem to think I am although I do sometimes make some pretty big slip ups when I'm townie

I remember I was extremely frustrated in Lily's game (the one before Mall Madness 2) but that mostly my own fault

 

the fact you have to claarify this pings.

 

 

Sorry Gill, your "case" on me doesn't add up. Let me review what you said:

 

All right, I've given my vote quite a bit of thought overnight. My original vote was a joke, and then I made my second vote when I let my emotions get the worst of me. I'm going to go with BG, since, as mentioned, he has been pretty quiet here, aside from discussing the theme material. He has been pretty active over in the game I'm in at the WK, so I'm guessing that it isn't RL interfering with his DM time, or he would be equally quiet in both threads. I'm thinking that it's the quiet one that we gotta watch.

 

Vote BG.

 

You vote me because I've not been as active on this thread as others. Which isn't that great of a reason to begin with, but acceptable on Day 1 when there is nothing else to go on.... except to me it looks like you were trying to find an excuse to justify your vote after being called out on it.

 

although there should be no future for Red because we should lynch her today

let's get off BG and do that ok guys? ok cool

 

Except that BG is scum for reasons which have been well-explained already, so I don't feel like bothering with an explanation which would be redundant (lest someone accuse me of dropping the S-word without an explanation), and we alreayd have a good train going for him. If we break down the BG train with just two votes to go. we'd have to take the time to build a whole new one for Red, and then get the BG train going all over again after Day 2 starts. I'd sooner lynch BG now, and worry about Red later.

 

So this well-explained reason? Sure people might be suspicious of my PM thing, but you didn't reference that. You referenced my inactivity. As for the 2nd bolded part, basically you say I'm the convenient vote and there's no point in casing Red. Now THAT sounds a mighty bit off to me.

 

@ basel so I've seen some of the cases on BG. Did you have any opinions of your own, you seem very eager for this lynch.

 

Amega wants to know your case the good reason you mentioned above, and yes, you do seem rather eager to the point of actively trying to stop discussion about other possible suspicious moves by other players.

 

@ basel so I've seen some of the cases on BG. Did you have any opinions of your own, you seem very eager for this lynch.

 

Amega, I already gave out my reasoning further back in the thread.

 

 

In case you are wondering... ^^^^ this loops back upto the first quote I quoted here. Back to my inactivity arguement. Basel gives a poor arguement while trying to deflect anyone else's lynch because I'm the convenient vote.

 

Vote Basel Gill

 

quoted mostly for Basel's benifit. BG's vote on you has nothing to do with OMGUS, so i don't get where you came up with that for in your vote post this game day.

 

 

 

I'm stunned that I didn't get a PM from you BG. You must not trust me anymore. Was it something I posted?

 

Having said that, I've been watching the reaction of BG's lynch and I have to say that Basel Gill seemed to be the jumpiest, followed by a quite rabid Red this game. I think BG meant no harm in the PM he sent to me, but I wanted to see 1) who else got a PM from him and 2) how others would react. I did think it was fishy, but thats sometimes how you catch fish.

 

Right then...

 

unvote

 

Vote Basel Gill

He will be a much better lynch candidate because he tried to be a stealthy bandwagon hopper but failed to explain why, even to the point of getting cross.

 

quoted for the valid points Mynd has against Basel, and for the underlined.

 

just out of curiosity, why didn't you include Mynd in yourmass PM BG??

 

 

I was one of the people that got a PM

in the interest of making sure BG told us all the same story I'd like to ask those of you who also got a PM to PM me what he told you so we can compare

 

and no I'm not fishing I'm sure BG will confirm he sent me a PM if you ask him

 

as others have said, this pings greatly. 1, if BG is scum he woudln't make such a simple mistake as not telling everyone the same thing. it's too easy to check either by someone posting on thread what he PM'd or others checking by PMing eachother.

 

you also go on to say that your aim wasn't to find out who BG PMd, i have to say i disagree. by peopel PMing you what BG PMd them, you'd be getting a list of those he contacted, so i think this was part of your aim tbh.

 

 

He will be a much better lynch candidate because he tried to be a stealthy bandwagon hopper but failed to explain why, even to the point of getting cross.

 

Well, I was cross because I don't see a need for typing out a whole big explanation that I have already typed out once. My opinion on BG hasn't changed, but the whole PM issue which rose up has only helped to bolster it. I might as well pull out a claim now and say that I am vanilla, not that I expect to be fully believed.

 

 

i say again, this reveal feels forced. it feels liek a scum tactic to not only push the lynch against Mynd (given his reaction at the time to vanilla's being int he game) but also as a last ditch effort to stave off votes.

 

 

Oh, Basel. Oh Basel, no, no, no, NO. Vanilla? Even the lamest of the X-Men, like Banshee or Nightcrawler or that pansy ass Cyclops, can't be Vanilla. Even damn Jubilee. Or Red's hero that spins a stick and tosses playing cards (snicker). Just by being what they are (mutants) all of them have to have some type of action, even if it's really weak ( like spinning a stick or having a mystical Hoyle deck). Vanilla? Nah, don't see it happening.

 

Ishy is one of those who are on Mynds side for the vanilla issue. this strikes me as scum siding with a lynch they know will flip town to get some cover.

 

 

 

I am really curious why Mynd thinks everyone has power roles in a basic game.

Well what kind of an X-Man has no powers? You call that a regular schmuck. A super hero with no powers is kinda pointless. Wouldn't sell many comics either I'd think.

 

and heres some more of Ishy siding with Mynd.

 

 

Levity is sympathizing with the enemy

she is obviously his teammate

obv scum right here

kill me next

uh oh we've got a second bomb here

better watch yourselves guys

bwaaaah

obviously I'm a scum jesterbomb

kill me if you daaareee o;

 

 

Ping, Ping, Ping, Ping.

 

Levi's reaction to Hoof's hammering and how the corner flipped pings in itself. this ping-pong light hearted spamy interaction feels like team mates trying to glaze over the scummy reaction.