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Kae's [BASIC] X-Men Mafia GAME OVER! TOWN WINS!!!

Sakaea

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To Red: It's pretty likely you guys aren't on a team, though.

 

I'm just giving the straight facts barring the possibility of complex tactics here. I never said I was 100% right.

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also, i fail to see how i wouldgive any info on anyone at this point as i've not really been playing and postign much. so i'd appreciate you not connecting me with anyone tyvm.

... This is a rather strange comment. <_<

I cannot help that Nolder's been on your case for a majority of day one. Nolder believes your reactions are scummy, he thought you were softclaiming Gambit (teehee, I could make so many puns out of 'gambit' right now), he's tunneling on you hard and at this point it's going to be pretty hard to change his mind. Nolder is stubborn.

 

Therefore, if Nolder happens to be mafia, that makes you likely town, doesn't it? Of course, of course, perhaps you are both mafia making a false scene, but from my perspective you both don't know each other's alignment in this case. So, either both of you are town, or one of you is town and the other is mafia. Simple. The fact you seem so adamant to distance yourself from anyone 'this early in the game' is making me more wary of you. Maybe you are both mafia, who knows? And yet, then why would you bring that up in the first place, eh?

 

But, I mean, isn't mafia a reaction game? We analyze how players interact with one another, see what alignments players flip, things of the sort.

Red2111 Spam Master

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BG makes good points. Basel (i keep trying to type Basil instead XD) is worth lookign itno more imo, especially if Bg is lynched and flips town. that said, i dislike the BG train.

 

i still think Mynd is the scummier out of the two, seeing as the PM thing is the only reason why we're considering lynchign either one of them. theres still plenty of time to get a second train rolling to get more info you guys. though i'll be taking an LoA Wed for mine and bubba's 10 year anny :wub:

 

 

To Red: It's pretty likely you guys aren't on a team, though.

 

I'm just giving the straight facts barring the possibility of complex tactics here. I never said I was 100% right.

 

no we're not on a team, so you are right in this case. all i'm saying is tha you shouldn't automaticlaly think pepel aren't on a team just because their going at one another. the Kivam Gambit was exactly that. 2 scum (Kivam and Talya) went at eachother hard core on the game thread to get one lynched just to clear the other, and it worked too.

 

when people talk about a gambit, this is the gambit their referring too. and even though this happened many years ago, this gambit still lives in emphamy here at DM.

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all i'm saying is tha you shouldn't automaticlaly think pepel aren't on a team just because their going at one another. the Kivam Gambit was exactly that. 2 scum (Kivam and Talya) went at eachother hard core on the game thread to get one lynched just to clear the other, and it worked too.

Oh, don't worry, I've seen it done before. It's risky, too; at a community I go at, when two players argue hardcore with one another, it's often the case that both players are looked at as suspicious when the quarreling just seems too artificial. It's happened to me before (I was serial killer though, but eh).

 

I'm kind of trying a new approach this game, though, but don't worry at all--I'm not looking at everything from only one angle.

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Also! I wouldn't say you haven't been posting a lot, Red--you've been posting a fair bit, at least recently.

 

Anyhow, I'll be back later. Hoping to hear from some quieter players soon.

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also, i fail to see how i wouldgive any info on anyone at this point as i've not really been playing and postign much. so i'd appreciate you not connecting me with anyone tyvm.

... This is a rather strange comment. <_<

I cannot help that Nolder's been on your case for a majority of day one. Nolder believes your reactions are scummy, he thought you were softclaiming Gambit (teehee, I could make so many puns out of 'gambit' right now), he's tunneling on you hard and at this point it's going to be pretty hard to change his mind. Nolder is stubborn.

 

Therefore, if Nolder happens to be mafia, that makes you likely town, doesn't it? Of course, of course, perhaps you are both mafia making a false scene, but from my perspective you both don't know each other's alignment in this case. So, either both of you are town, or one of you is town and the other is mafia. Simple. The fact you seem so adamant to distance yourself from anyone 'this early in the game' is making me more wary of you. Maybe you are both mafia, who knows? And yet, then why would you bring that up in the first place, eh?

 

But, I mean, isn't mafia a reaction game? We analyze how players interact with one another, see what alignments players flip, things of the sort.

 

maybe it was the way i read what you posted. you made it sound liek (and still do) a lynch on either one of us wuld clarify the others alignment. this i disagree with and am FoSin'g you for linking me with Nol in this way. even now your still doing it, taking that ones alignment will clear or implicate the other.

 

damn right i'm adament about people not connecting me with anyone. i know i'm town, for the rest of you lot, i have no clue. anyone who attempts to link me with somone or who tries to link themselves to me gets a well warrented FoS flung there way and a possible vote.

 

but if you notice, i'm not trying to distance myself from Nol, i'm challenging him to bring an actual case against me instead of this weak ass Meta he's clining too.

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you made it sound liek (and still do) a lynch on either one of us wuld clarify the others alignment. this i disagree with and am FoSin'g you for linking me with Nol in this way. even now your still doing it, taking that ones alignment will clear or implicate the other.

Eh?

I actually kind of think it's early to lynch either of you yet. I wouldn't just to do it so quickly, it was just a hypothetical statement. I understand where you might have misinterpreted it, though. Notice how I'm not even voting either of you?

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damn right i'm adament about people not connecting me with anyone. i know i'm town, for the rest of you lot, i have no clue. anyone who attempts to link me with somone or who tries to link themselves to me gets a well warrented FoS flung there way and a possible vote.

 

but if you notice, i'm not trying to distance myself from Nol, i'm challenging him to bring an actual case against me instead of this weak ass Meta he's clining too.

Like I said, I can't help the way Nolder's been behaving towards you, Red. I can't just disregard it entirely. Perhaps it means moot, who knows.

 

I'm still not entirely sure of who to vote.

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Nol, i couldn't care one flip over your vote on me. infact, the fact that you CANT back it up with a legit case other than "i'm scared of red we needs to lynch her" makes me laugh. so instead of actulaly pulling a case on me, all you can keep saying is "hmmm Reds a good talker, we shoudl lynch her; cause well, that scares me."

 

like i said, either get a legit case on me that isn't nothign but Meta; because using Meta on me will fail every time, or GFY. cause honestly, if your going to start trying to policy lynch my in games because i can be a smooth talker and get myself out of lynches some times ... i'll stop there.

 

 

i feel like Nols reason for wanting to lynch me has more to do with personal reasons for wanting me gone rather then game reasons. why he sees me as such a threat when theres better and more dangerous players in this game i don't know.

and on that note why YOU see ME as such a threat I don't know

it's only one vote but you're doing your damnedest to discredit me

a townie would eventually just shrug it off as not worth their time and continue to scumhunt wouldn't they?

let's look at the ways you're trying to discredit me and my vote in a single post

 

1. claiming you're not worried about my vote when you clearly are

2. claiming I can't back up my vote with a "legit" case

3. claiming my case is something other than it is (scared of you vs my actual case posted here[/url)

4. discrediting the use of meta

5. claiming meta doesn't work on you

6. claiming my vote on you is personal

 

you're doing everything and anything to shake me off and make me look bad but it's not going to work

Nolder Spam Master

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this is why I hate games with no editing

I'm not someone who obsesses over little typos but that just makes my entire post ugly and it's going to drive me crazy

in fact I'm going to repost it correctly and ask Sakaea for special permission to delete that one

Songstress Spam Master

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I'm kind of afraid that this spat might divert town's attention...

 

Very possible... trying not to be drawn into the whole Nolder/Red thing right now, although I think it may warrant closer inspection if it continues.

 

BG vs Basel has me intrigued, as does Mynd vs BG. Not sure how to interpret those arguments unless we find out one way or another on BG, though... Basel's argument against BG doesn't strike me as necessarily scummy at this point, and I think Mynd's claims have scared off the possibility of a competing train on him for now.

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I'm kind of afraid that this spat might divert town's attention...

well I don't want to lynch BG (or Mynd) today so I dunno what else to do to be honest

and people are saying they don't want to get dragged into the Red/Nolder thing well I'm trying to avoid the BG/Mynd thing

I can see both sides of the argument and it's not clear to me who the scum is between them (still think there's a possibility of both)

 

I can see myself joining a Hoof lynch but like I said before I'd much rather give him at least a day

dunno what it is about him but he just always says/does the wrong stuff on day 1

I think if he IS scum though that will become a lot more obvious as time goes on

Hoof is a good player he just makes some weird decisions in the early game

 

Hmmm here's something

Turin joke votes BG early on page 3 and hasn't moved his vote since

he realizes it had been awhile so he says here that he's keeping his vote on BG for being quiet

here he seems to be setting up a bit of a rivalry with BG (which admittedly BG "started" in his PM to Mynd)

and so far that was his only post in which he took even somewhat notice of the BG PMing Mynd issue

he definitely hasn't commented on it as of yet

so while I JUST said I was going to try to avoid the BG thing here are my thoughts on this

 

it looks to me like Turin and BG could be teammates

the plan was for each of them to distance each other early (I'm wondering if BG has been PMing anyone else? I did not receive on myself) but then Mynd (townie) blew a hole in that plan by exposing BG and setting them both on a course for outright bussing

Turin couldn't jump off the train because it might look scummy (and might also look townie if people just assumed he was on BGs lynch for the PM thing and not as early as page 3)

Turin also hasn't commented on the issue because he doesn't want to actually nudge a lynch onto his teammate and is hoping that the mob might look elsewhere, maybe to Red like I've been urging?

regardless if BG flips scum I think I'm going to put Turin automatically on my list of suspects

 

granted by now I've linked several players/teams and it's all kind of convoluted

BG/Mynd

BG/Mynd/Red

BG/Turin

Hoof

 

right now I'm leaning townie on Mynd and I'm putting little stock into my Mynd/BG/Red team theory

 

so yeah I dunno what to do

I guess I wouldn't mind a BG lynch since I think it would yield a TON of info but at the same time BG isn't actually striking me as overly scummy

he's just getting caught in this crossfire

then again he did send the PM so he put himself there...

 

AGH!

I'm conflicted :sad:

let's just lynch Red yeah? :laugh:

 

but yeah please let me know what you guys think about all that

Turin I'd especially like to read what you have to say for yourself

why have you stuck with BG for so long? what are your thoughts on his PM?

bgrishinko Grand Master

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Well, I've been at L-2 for a while and I don't think that's going to change and everyone is just going to want me dead for info anyway. However, I don't believe this is a good idea. I'm going to choose a few people that I trust and send them a PM of my role. They can help decide my fate and decide if I'm lying or not.

Myndrunner Grand Master

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I'm stunned that I didn't get a PM from you BG. You must not trust me anymore. Was it something I posted?

 

Having said that, I've been watching the reaction of BG's lynch and I have to say that Basel Gill seemed to be the jumpiest, followed by a quite rabid Red this game. I think BG meant no harm in the PM he sent to me, but I wanted to see 1) who else got a PM from him and 2) how others would react. I did think it was fishy, but thats sometimes how you catch fish.

 

Right then...

 

unvote

 

Vote Basel Gill

He will be a much better lynch candidate because he tried to be a stealthy bandwagon hopper but failed to explain why, even to the point of getting cross.

Nolder Spam Master

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I was one of the people that got a PM

in the interest of making sure BG told us all the same story I'd like to ask those of you who also got a PM to PM me what he told you so we can compare

 

and no I'm not fishing I'm sure BG will confirm he sent me a PM if you ask him

John E. Kelley Master

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I got the PM too. And just for the record, smart or not, I believe him. So I won't be casting a vote for him today. I'd rather move on the one with the knee-jerk reaction to Mynd's case on BG.

Vote Basel.

Which kinda sucks because I've never played with him before, but what can ya do?

Myndrunner Grand Master

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I got the PM too. And just for the record, smart or not, I believe him. So I won't be casting a vote for him today. I'd rather move on the one with the knee-jerk reaction to Mynd's case on BG.

Vote Basel.

Which kinda sucks because I've never played with him before, but what can ya do?

 

If he is simply town and made a mistake, this is how you learn. Fortunately, I'm pretty sure that he was trying to pull a fast one and got caught scum handed.

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There are couple of things that are bugging me right now. I haven't seen anything to support Nolder's mantra of "lynch Red now", but the chant goes on. Another thing that struck meas odd was Nolder wanting everyone who got a PM from BG to PM him to "make sure BG told everyone the same story". There are several things wrong with that. 1) why would BG send out a different role claim to each person if he is trying to get out of being lynched? 2) Why is Nolder so anxious to find out who BG trusts besides himself? 3) Why would Nolder confirming that everyone received the same message be of any help at all when Nolder's alignment is unknown? This stinks to high heaven. I can think of a couple of scenarios right off the top of my head that fit this situation. 1) BG is town and trusts Nolder, but Nolder is scum who now wants to find out who BG trusts enough to send out his role. By having these people PM him, he can then start working behind the scenes to lead lynches where he wants them because these people will be less suspicious of him. 2) Nolder and BG are both scum. In this scenario, Nolder is being used to lend some credibility to the role claim with the same effect as scenario 1. People trust both Nolder and BG more than they would the other players and can then be influenced to vote for another townie instead of a scum member. All in all, I see no way that Nolder's suggestion is a good idea for the town and I call scum.

 

UNVOTE

 

VOTE NOLDER

Songstress Spam Master

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I heard from BG also and am inclined to believe him, if only because it'd be fantastically audacious otherwise -- major risk if he didn't tell everyone the same thing (as Aemon suggested), and he'd have to get awfully lucky not to hit the wrong person with that claim if it wasn't true.

 

Unvote BG

 

In light of this information I'll be re-evaluating my suspicions, Basel looks a lot more suspicious, Nolder's still looking shifty, and I have no idea what to think about Mynd. Back when I've given this some more thought.

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