[ADVANCED/KITCHEN SINK] The Axe or the Hammer - GAME OVER

[ed2funy]

And?

 

 

Now, can we lynch Cauthon or not?

Because I for one would love to see if my theory is right. And I think he is scum.

[hazelkrs1]

There are some issues to clear:(if I am understanding this correctly)

The vote still counts, the affected person just has to vote for a specific person.

all the effected person would have to do is vote early in the day while the person they are supposed to vote is available.

I don't think we've had everyone post in a day let alone vote.

The votes would have to be somewhat random in nature to allow everyone to vote for a different person.

The entire thing could be setup by the mafia to vet one of their own.

 

All in all it sounds like the overly complicated plans that bond villains come up with that never seem to quite work out properly.

 

So I went back and checked, and saw that the role is a vote controller, I thought it was just a vote negater or something. Sorry bout the mixup. I still think my idea could work though, and honestly now it's even easier to implement: we just need to keep track of who votes who and then what the official VC says

 

Vote Count:

Verb (1) - Meesh

Cuathon (2) - Red, BG

Not Voting: Nolder, Corrosive, Verb, Ishy, Turin, Nyn, Ed, Kae, Loki, Maw, Cuathon, Player, Womby, Des, Ledinna 2.0, Tina, Soyo

20 players = 11 to lynch

 

So far none of these guys' votes have been tampered with, if I'm remembering correctly.

 

So, at this point, I am gonna say that Cauthon is WAY more scummy then Red.

I wonder though....Now, I could be way wrong, because, well, my mind isn't what it used to be, but I would rather lynch Cauthon.

 

 

Red

 

huh?

 

What he said ^

 

Huh Ed? Why are you voting Red if you think we should lynch Cauthon? Vote Ed for bizarro move

[dapianoplay3r]

There are some issues to clear:(if I am understanding this correctly) The vote still counts, the affected person just has to vote for a specific person. all the effected person would have to do is vote early in the day while the person they are supposed to vote is available. I don't think we've had everyone post in a day let alone vote. The votes would have to be somewhat random in nature to allow everyone to vote for a different person. The entire thing could be setup by the mafia to vet one of their own.All in all it sounds like the overly complicated plans that bond villains come up with that never seem to quite work out properly.

So I went back and checked, and saw that the role is a vote controller, I thought it was just a vote negater or something. Sorry bout the mixup. I still think my idea could work though, and honestly now it's even easier to implement: we just need to keep track of who votes who and then what the official VC says

Vote Count:Verb (1) - MeeshCuathon (2) - Red, BGNot Voting: Nolder, Corrosive, Verb, Ishy, Turin, Nyn, Ed, Kae, Loki, Maw, Cuathon, Player, Womby, Des, Ledinna 2.0, Tina, Soyo20 players = 11 to lynch

So far none of these guys' votes have been tampered with, if I'm remembering correctly.

So, at this point, I am gonna say that Cauthon is WAY more scummy then Red. I wonder though....Now, I could be way wrong, because, well, my mind isn't what it used to be, but I would rather lynch Cauthon. Red

huh?

What he said ^Huh Ed? Why are you voting Red if you think we should lynch Cauthon? Vote Ed for bizarro move

[SBoydW]

There are some issues to clear:(if I am understanding this correctly) The vote still counts, the affected person just has to vote for a specific person. all the effected person would have to do is vote early in the day while the person they are supposed to vote is available. I don't think we've had everyone post in a day let alone vote. The votes would have to be somewhat random in nature to allow everyone to vote for a different person. The entire thing could be setup by the mafia to vet one of their own.All in all it sounds like the overly complicated plans that bond villains come up with that never seem to quite work out properly.

So I went back and checked, and saw that the role is a vote controller, I thought it was just a vote negater or something. Sorry bout the mixup. I still think my idea could work though, and honestly now it's even easier to implement: we just need to keep track of who votes who and then what the official VC says

Vote Count:Verb (1) - MeeshCuathon (2) - Red, BGNot Voting: Nolder, Corrosive, Verb, Ishy, Turin, Nyn, Ed, Kae, Loki, Maw, Cuathon, Player, Womby, Des, Ledinna 2.0, Tina, Soyo20 players = 11 to lynch

So far none of these guys' votes have been tampered with, if I'm remembering correctly.

So, at this point, I am gonna say that Cauthon is WAY more scummy then Red. I wonder though....Now, I could be way wrong, because, well, my mind isn't what it used to be, but I would rather lynch Cauthon. Red

huh?

What he said ^Huh Ed? Why are you voting Red if you think we should lynch Cauthon? Vote Ed for bizarro move

 

Yeah I was pretty sure that's what it was just thought I'd question him to be sure.

[ed2funy]

There are some issues to clear:(if I am understanding this correctly) The vote still counts, the affected person just has to vote for a specific person. all the effected person would have to do is vote early in the day while the person they are supposed to vote is available. I don't think we've had everyone post in a day let alone vote. The votes would have to be somewhat random in nature to allow everyone to vote for a different person. The entire thing could be setup by the mafia to vet one of their own.All in all it sounds like the overly complicated plans that bond villains come up with that never seem to quite work out properly.

So I went back and checked, and saw that the role is a vote controller, I thought it was just a vote negater or something. Sorry bout the mixup. I still think my idea could work though, and honestly now it's even easier to implement: we just need to keep track of who votes who and then what the official VC says

Vote Count:Verb (1) - MeeshCuathon (2) - Red, BGNot Voting: Nolder, Corrosive, Verb, Ishy, Turin, Nyn, Ed, Kae, Loki, Maw, Cuathon, Player, Womby, Des, Ledinna 2.0, Tina, Soyo20 players = 11 to lynch

So far none of these guys' votes have been tampered with, if I'm remembering correctly.

So, at this point, I am gonna say that Cauthon is WAY more scummy then Red. I wonder though....Now, I could be way wrong, because, well, my mind isn't what it used to be, but I would rather lynch Cauthon. Red

huh?

What he said ^Huh Ed? Why are you voting Red if you think we should lynch Cauthon? Vote Ed for bizarro move

 

 

 

*grins*

 

 

 

 

Huh Ed? Why are you voting Red if you think we should lynch Cauthon? Vote Ed for bizarro move

 

I would like to lynch Cauthon, ladies and gentlemen. Very much so.

[dapianoplay3r]

im pretty sure he isnt allowed to say out right that his vote is being controlled

[hazelkrs1]

I didn't think the person whose vote was being controlled would know about it... am I just incredibly dumb right now?

[ed2funy]

Perhaps Des can be a lynch candidate for tomorrow, guys?

XD

[hazelkrs1]

If you're serious, let me know now so I can stop my reread lol

 

I guess I'll Unvote for now, since apparently I'm missing something and seem to have to take Ed at his word on this one. I'll go along with it and Vote Cauthon as well

[dapianoplay3r]

I think the vote stealer means that the person doesn't know till it appears in the vote count. The controller, as far as I know, sends in the name and who they want the person to vote for and the MOD passes it along via PM so they know. I'm pretty sure this is the PM way of the controller

 

Someone else will have to verify that but that's how I've played the roles

[hazelkrs1]

So then it seems like my confusion is warranted; Ed seems to be soft-claiming that his vote is being controlled yet shouldn't know, or he is apparently soft-claiming the vote controller role himself? Which would make him scum more than likely... I still don't quite see what I'm missing here, sorry if I'm sounding like a moron

[ed2funy]

I have no idea what you are saying Des. I am appalled you'd call me scum.

 

Des isn't often moronic....therefore, you are pinging to me. XD

 

I am serious about you being a lynch candidate, yes. Though, tomorrow, perhaps.

 

 

Cauthon today.

[Nynaeve]

So if the point is to keep her thoughts out of the game, it was doomed to fail.

 

It think it does make sense. They eliminated Kae's involvement from the thread, which leaves Red a lot more exposed to us pressuring her for information. After all, finding out which list each of them gets would be beneficial to scum. The targeted list can flush them out of any role claim they might attempt which would limit their maneuvering throughout the day considerably. So the one that gets that list is the one they need out of the way.

 

As for why neither Kae nor Red got lynched during the night? My reasoning is the following. Scum don't know who the healer is protecting. They don't know which of them gets the targeted list. So there's a significant chance that they'll either nightkill the wrong one (aka the one that gets the role list) or get deflected by the healer. Not to mention that by nightkilling one of them, they'll be confirming the other one for us, via coroner report. Why do that if they can keep them around and keep us second guessing claims? So yes, scum kept them around but they also crippled them at the same time in the sense that they are unable to share their information with us without revealing who gets what.

 

 

 

Ishmael onto Ed2.

 

If I understand correctly how redirecting goes, then Cauton's re-directing + Ed's behavior most likely means that Ishmael is the vote controller. And he was trying to influence someone to vote for Red (and got re-directed to ed).

 

Cuaton, any reason in particular you chose to target Ishmael?

 

 

 

 

 

Nyn

[Red2111]

So, at this point, I am gonna say that Cauthon is WAY more scummy then Red.

I wonder though....Now, I could be way wrong, because, well, my mind isn't what it used to be, but I would rather lynch Cauthon.

 

 

Red

 

 

pretty obvious he's having his vote controlled. and Des's reaction pings greatly, i'd be willing to switch to him, especially since he's also on the list now for those attemtping to spread doubt about mine and Kaes claim.

 

 

to clear up the confusion, there are two roles which can manipulate a persns vote that i know about.

 

 

a Vote Theif is what Des was thinking about. this is a person that steals a persons vote, generally the targetted person isn't told about their vote being stolen and we don't know until it's posted on the vote count. generally this is a scum role imo

 

 

a Vote Controller on the other hand i've seen as both scum and town. when scum aligned it works as a Puppeteer. the person is informed their vote has been stole and who they must vote for by the mod. now if the VC is town aligned, i've seen where there is an exchange that happens, where they offer the person their stealing the vote from a role in return. either way, the mod usually tells the person who has their vote stolen they can't come right out nd say their vote is stolen; but there are easy ways to let it be known without comming right out and saying.

 

given that the VC wants Ed to vote me, and seeing the other info surrounding me and Kae; i think it's safe to assuem the VC is also scum aligned. especially if the flamming goat hearders were goignt o force me to vote for myself.

 

 

 

 

i wanted to address this before catching up from last night.

[Red2111]

Meh, it's not really fence-sitting on BG, per se. I have nothing but my gut feelings based on his Day 1 actions to say he's scum, and tons of other stuff to say he's telling the truth. I can't fight against no counterclaim, a supposed finding of BG himself that has him as lightsworn, and the death of the scum godfather which means that can't really be BG's role, so unless Maw is lying and we have a REALLY good finder, BG has to be telling the truth.

 

BUT, I can't just lie down and take it for granted. That would be silly. Fact of the matter is, he DID ping me hardcore on D1, and hasn't done much on his own to allay that suspicion. So yeah, I don't take everything he says for granted, but that doesn't mean I'm gonna jump all over everything he says, either.

 

You're failing to take into account the fact that I was very suspicious of Kae before your reveals, so I'm not taking YOUR alignment for granted, either. So if I see an unfair interpretation of what someone was saying, yeah, I'm gonna point it out. I'm not being inconsistent when I say I dislike it when people do that. It is very hard to defend against a twisting of words rather than outright accusations.

 

Anyway: How could you see BG saying he'd never seen the combo before, when as you yourself quoted, he was agreeing with Cuathon about the list thing and not the combo of roles? Please read those two posts/quotes and tell me where BG said he'd never seen the combo of watcher and tracker. Yeah, I'm going to disagree with you on that, because you're seeing things that aren't even there.

 

fair enough. the only thing i have to add is thats how i honestly interpreted it. maybe i am misreading it because i'm very focused right now on looking for people who are trying to plant seeds of doubt on me and Kae. i've been known to jump to the wrong conclusions before.

 

and i agree at not taking reveals at face value. and i'll leave it at that as i don't want to sidetrack from scum hunting.

 

 

In regards to Verb: so, what--are we supposed to let every unreplaced inactive just fly through the game with no pressure whatsoever? I didn't know Verb couldn't post on thread, so yeah, pressuring him doesn't work as well as I would have hoped it would, but I didn't know that at the time, did I? I have better things to do than stalking ewoks.

 

Anyway, if an inactive isn't replaced, then even if they're legitimately inactive and not just lurking, that doesn't make them automatic town. If Verbal had more access to DM, then I still would see nothing wrong with his inactivity being a reason to vote for him and pressure him into hopefully saying something.

 

And that was my other reason for him being a lynch/pressure candidate. Not his lack of replacement, but his inactivity on its own. Similar though they might be, they're not the same thing. The inactivity thing no longer holds water in light of his lack of access, but the meta thing...well...I get you don't like meta, but I personally don't have a problem with it. Sometimes, it's what you have to go on.

 

lets agree to disagree on this and move on. again, i'm not trying to bring back up the debate abotu verb just keeping my word of addressing this so you know i'm not ignoring you

 

 

As for wanting the list, I know who I targeted. You do not. Therefore if the name is on the list of who I targeted, I have more reason to believe you. Course IF Kae was blocked then I can understand you not wanting to say, as you said you want to leave it WIFOMY about who has what role... but leaves me at an impasse still about the truthfulness of your claims.

 

which still leaves me at an impass. even if we had both lists i wouldn't be posting that list; because if your lieing about your role claim, that list will only serve to help vet your claim.

 

 

besides, i'm not askign you to reveal who you targeted. obviusly you didn't get a scum and i'd preferr you to keep Lightsworn names under wraps. the scum already have a nice selection of claimed power roles to NK from, giving them "confrimed" innocents would make their job that much easier.

 

 

Meh, you are throwing off scum tells everywhere:

 

as are you

 

Being too defensive

 

no, i'm being aggressive, theres a difference. i'm always aggressive reguardless of my role and alignment.

 

Claiming clearing by unsubstantiated role claim

 

assumptions will get you introuble in this game. no where did i say that i'm confirmed, nor do i expect townies to considered me confirmed. theres a difference between being suspicous of a role claim, and out right trying to descredit the claim and get a wagon started on the claimee's.

 

Instantly dropping the vote on me when I questioned you reasonably about your role

 

my vote and reaction are justified considered my postition.

 

Only argument being new player is dumb with no back up

 

i never said you were =dumb and i don't attack newbies unless i see soemthign to attack them for on thread. i was giving my honest opinion about this situation, that if your scum you thought i was the easier lynch target out of the two of us (me and Kae) because i've been very lurkish this game, and that now your overwhelmed because you didn't expect this type of fight

 

which you would have gotten from my partner to had i been the one to be silenced. neither Kae nor myself are easy targets. this wasn't meant as a jab and i'm sorry you took it that way; my wording could have been less blunt.

 

Targeting the newest player because everyone knows in mafia people trust people they know more

how much Mafia have you played before because the truth is the exact opposite for the underlined. rule of thumb in this game is you don't trust anyone until you get a mod report from them, knowing a person in this game doesn't mean squat as far as trust. if anything, you become more wary of the people you play alot with. aside from that, you flinging the "your only picking on me cause i'm new" card out makes me more suspicous of you. i've made valid points and explained my position and reasonsing to the best of my ability, if this is all you have for a rebuttal, then it only makes my case look that much better than you.

Claiming role buddy is silenced AND role blocked

 

which explains why i'm being so aggressive. i've stated before that my postition on thread doesn't look good. you dont want to believe me thats fine, but so long as you keep trying to spread doubt on me and my partner i'll keep bulldogging you.

 

 

my responses in blue for the above quote

 

 

I'm leaving it at that for now until Red responds as well.

 

why?

 

 

(sigh) Still mucking through my reread... it really is quite a chore.

 

lmao tell me about it. i've been trying to do a re-read of this thread as well but everytime i do something comes up and prevents me from doing so

 

 

And it REALLY doesn't sit well with me, the whole RBing/silencing Kae thing. It pretty much makes no sense to do both to her as the mafia team. I don't know why this hasn't been thrown out there but has anyone considered this: the person who RB'ed her might not be mafia. It could have been a town RB'er (many games will have both a mafia AND town RB'er to help balance things a bit) who was trying to vet Kae's role claim (and Red's too as well).

 

and heres another to add to the list of planting seeds of doubt about me and Kae. not to mention possably breadcrumbign the claim of town aligned RBer. but yes the possability of two RBers did occur to us, but i doubt the one that targetted Kae is town aligned as theres no way to vet Kae by doing this.

 

congrads on shooting up to the top of my list Des

 

 

I also had an idea to possibly vet someone as town. We can prob only use it one day effectively but here it is: get EVERYONE to vote for someone different, then wait for an official VC from Ama. The person whose vote isn't being counted is most assuredly town, since I don't see mafia being clever enough to nullify one of their own votes for this purpose. This maneuver can also help us because by keeping track of who everyone votes for we can have more information for later days.

 

What yall think?

 

underlined is setting up WIFOM imo and is misdirection, i see no reason why the VC wouldnt target themselves or a temamate to help vet eachother. same goes for the Silencing roel as well. also your idea, while it's thinking outside of the box, imo wont work due to the possability of scum using it to confuse us further.

 

 

Why do I have this sickening feeling that Red, Kae, and BG are scamming us all... I really don't like that people who have already claimed roles won't reveal any information... I'm still catching up but as far as I've seen Red has only revealed N1 actions and and neither red nor BG have revealed N2 actions. Reasons: Red supposedly wanting to protect which of the two roles she and kae has, and bg for some odd reason won't reveal until red does... it's all to twisted to me...

 

I also find it interesting that the mafia didn't simply whack one of those three. I mean that's three reveals and the mafia hasn't even taken a shot at one of them? I don't like any of their reveals and frankly am starting tho think they're all full of it.

 

i dislike greatly you linking me and Kae with BG. so major FoS to you for this.

 

to the underline - which is why i'm being so agressive agaisnt anyone trying to spread doubt about me and Kae, because i understand how this looks to someone who isnt' me or Kae and because i also know the scum will be trying to caplitalize on this situation and i expected a push from scumsters to lynch me. hence my bulldogging of both BG and especailly Cuathon.

 

 

Sorry that wasnt a suggestion it was just a question. It was in my notes and I couldnt remember if it was verified or just an idea that needed looking into

 

Thank you though

 

Meesh pinged me as the Silencer but it wasn't confirmed.

 

 

There are some issues to clear:(if I am understanding this correctly)

The vote still counts, the affected person just has to vote for a specific person.

all the effected person would have to do is vote early in the day while the person they are supposed to vote is available.

I don't think we've had everyone post in a day let alone vote.

The votes would have to be somewhat random in nature to allow everyone to vote for a different person.

The entire thing could be setup by the mafia to vet one of their own.

 

All in all it sounds like the overly complicated plans that bond villains come up with that never seem to quite work out properly.

 

So I went back and checked, and saw that the role is a vote controller, I thought it was just a vote negater or something. Sorry bout the mixup. I still think my idea could work though, and honestly now it's even easier to implement: we just need to keep track of who votes who and then what the official VC says

 

Vote Count:

Verb (1) - Meesh

Cuathon (2) - Red, BG

Not Voting: Nolder, Corrosive, Verb, Ishy, Turin, Nyn, Ed, Kae, Loki, Maw, Cuathon, Player, Womby, Des, Ledinna 2.0, Tina, Soyo

20 players = 11 to lynch

 

So far none of these guys' votes have been tampered with, if I'm remembering correctly.

 

So, at this point, I am gonna say that Cauthon is WAY more scummy then Red.

I wonder though....Now, I could be way wrong, because, well, my mind isn't what it used to be, but I would rather lynch Cauthon.

 

 

Red

 

huh?

 

What he said ^

 

Huh Ed? Why are you voting Red if you think we should lynch Cauthon? Vote Ed for bizarro move

 

and this is enought for me to switch my vote from Cuathon to Des. he seems really eager to vote Ed and was almost giddy to help trump up confusion about the VC. Soyo laid a trap, and BG took the bait imo.

 

 

 

So then it seems like my confusion is warranted; Ed seems to be soft-claiming that his vote is being controlled yet shouldn't know, or he is apparently soft-claiming the vote controller role himself? Which would make him scum more than likely... I still don't quite see what I'm missing here, sorry if I'm sounding like a moron

 

i dislike this. not to mention that it contradicts what he said earlier about the VC "The person whose vote isn't being counted is most assuredly town, since I don't see mafia being clever enough to nullify one of their own votes for this purpose"

 

 

 

 

UNVOTE VOTE: DES

 

the vote piling on Cuathon, plus his reactions are making me slightly wary of his lynch for right now. plus i'd like to see what pressure on Des will bring due to the above quotes. Cauthons reaction to my pressure and baiting could either be an exasperated scum or a cornered and confused townie. honestly, i'd like to see competing trains on both of them today for more info as we have plenty of time ans as these are the two lynches i like best right now.

 

 

 

btw, Nyn is starting to ping me. i'm wary of anyone who is as firmly in my corner as she has been this entire day.

[Cuathon]

So if the point is to keep her thoughts out of the game, it was doomed to fail.

 

It think it does make sense. They eliminated Kae's involvement from the thread, which leaves Red a lot more exposed to us pressuring her for information. After all, finding out which list each of them gets would be beneficial to scum. The targeted list can flush them out of any role claim they might attempt which would limit their maneuvering throughout the day considerably. So the one that gets that list is the one they need out of the way.

 

As for why neither Kae nor Red got lynched during the night? My reasoning is the following. Scum don't know who the healer is protecting. They don't know which of them gets the targeted list. So there's a significant chance that they'll either nightkill the wrong one (aka the one that gets the role list) or get deflected by the healer. Not to mention that by nightkilling one of them, they'll be confirming the other one for us, via coroner report. Why do that if they can keep them around and keep us second guessing claims? So yes, scum kept them around but they also crippled them at the same time in the sense that they are unable to share their information with us without revealing who gets what.

 

 

 

Ishmael onto Ed2.

 

If I understand correctly how redirecting goes, then Cauton's re-directing + Ed's behavior most likely means that Ishmael is the vote controller. And he was trying to influence someone to vote for Red (and got re-directed to ed).

 

Cuaton, any reason in particular you chose to target Ishmael?

 

 

 

 

 

Nyn

 

I just felt like Ish was dirty. I mean I couldn't read the whole tread cause of all the spam, so I couldn't come up with a better role use than ish, and i picked ed because it doesn't matter too much in my opinion. aside from him not claiming. I can't redirect Kae or red because their roles don't target.

 

I have a question. I can't think of any possible logical reason that no one thinks Red is being incredibly scummy except for one.

Is it in Red's meta to start acting incredibly scummy with an excessively defensive attack on anyone who questions her? Her response is far out of proportion to my questions. I totally understand now why my friend refused to come here to play my mafia. His reason, aside from disliking large games, was a culture clash and frankly I am currently in total agreement with him. If you guys think Red's reaction to a few simple questions is so much less scummy than asking about a role I've never seen and an irrational attack on me for that is a pro town reaction I am thinking I am going to make this my last mafia game here.

Overreaction to a question and claiming I'm trying to lead a lynch when I haven't even voted is so anti town I can't even begin describe it. Firstly, I am a sub. Secondly, this is my first game here. Asking about the provenance of a role under those circumstances is hardly trying to lead a lynch. Thirdly, massive over defensiveness is a hallmark of scum. I was originally only trying to get a handle on a weird role but then Red just flew off the handle with an OMGUS. There wasn't a single vote on Red. It just doesn't make sense. In any case I am going to hold off voting Res until people have a chance to claim that this behavior is part of Red's meta. I don't particularly like meta, I prefer anonymous games for this reason, but its the only way I can reconcile Red's behavior with having a town role.

[Cuathon]

Well, I got ninja'd by Red. I would still like to see a supporting meta claim by someone who isn't Red though.

 

If Red really does insist on acting this way, I give up trying to read her. Townies who act anti town as part of their meta are really annoying.

Given a supporting claim to Red's meta I will leave my vote unassigned until I get a good option to push.

[bgrishinko]

Red is often known as a bulldog. So it isn't out of the ordinary for her. I get more weary of her when she doesn't bulldog honestly. So it isn't really a DM thing, but a Red thing that's rubbing you bad. That being said, she does it both as scum and town, so unfortunately it is a null tell on scumminess. Still have to go back to trying to figure out her motivation.

[bgrishinko]

So I want to clarify your action a little Cuathon (I struggle SO hard not to type Cauthon every time), just so there isn't a misunderstaning. Ishy's own NA went to Ed? or the NA that targeted Ishy went to Ed? That's an important distinction.

[Cuathon]

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Afraid I can't check my PMs right now.

[Cuathon]

I am trying to recall specifically what the PM said. I believe that it moves ishy's action to ed. that is what i sent as my request iirc.

[Red2111]

I just felt like Ish was dirty. I mean I couldn't read the whole tread cause of all the spam, so I couldn't come up with a better role use than ish, and i picked ed because it doesn't matter too much in my opinion. aside from him not claiming. I can't redirect Kae or red because their roles don't target.

 

I have a question. I can't think of any possible logical reason that no one thinks Red is being incredibly scummy except for one.

Is it in Red's meta to start acting incredibly scummy with an excessively defensive attack on anyone who questions her? Her response is far out of proportion to my questions. I totally understand now why my friend refused to come here to play my mafia. His reason, aside from disliking large games, was a culture clash and frankly I am currently in total agreement with him. If you guys think Red's reaction to a few simple questions is so much less scummy than asking about a role I've never seen and an irrational attack on me for that is a pro town reaction I am thinking I am going to make this my last mafia game here.

Overreaction to a question and claiming I'm trying to lead a lynch when I haven't even voted is so anti town I can't even begin describe it. Firstly, I am a sub. Secondly, this is my first game here. Asking about the provenance of a role under those circumstances is hardly trying to lead a lynch. Thirdly, massive over defensiveness is a hallmark of scum. I was originally only trying to get a handle on a weird role but then Red just flew off the handle with an OMGUS. There wasn't a single vote on Red. It just doesn't make sense. In any case I am going to hold off voting Res until people have a chance to claim that this behavior is part of Red's meta. I don't particularly like meta, I prefer anonymous games for this reason, but its the only way I can reconcile Red's behavior with having a town role.

 

i agree with BG, please clarify your role.

 

 

as to my playstyle. yes i have a very agressive playstyle, i'm also very blunt and call things as i see them. i'm normally a very vocal, active massive poster too, but RL has forced me to curb this part of my playstyle for now.

 

but please don't judge DM mafia by my playstyle alone, we have alot of different types and i'm one of the more aggressive ones on here you'll find if you stick around hat DM has a very elective group of Mafia players concerning play style.

 

 

also, don't take my attack on you in this game as personal (which it seems you are and i'm sorry i came off that way) because i assure you it's not. my attack on you has everythignto do with your actions in this game, nothing more nothing less.

[Red2111]

yeah DM is in maintence mode right now. if you got that message then you are using it right; just that since Sanderson finished the first draft of MoL (OMG SO EXCITED ABOUT THIS!! ) were expecting traffic to increase and want to keep the site from crashing.

[Red2111]

okay so from the Wiki. is this what yoru saying your role is Cuathon (and BG i keep tryign to type it as Matt's name too lmao)

 

Very rarely, a Redirector will, instead of redirecting all Night actions that targeted a specific player, redirect all Night actions performed by a specific player.

[bgrishinko]

That seems to jive with Levity moving my action yesterday to Nyn.

 

Unvote: Vote Ishy