[Basic] Girls Locker Room Mafia - Game Over

[Sakaea]

Speaking as a mod, I've modded 2 basic games, and the only roles other than vanilla were doc, cop, and godfather. So it hasn't really surprised me that all we've seen so far have been vanilla town and a mafia goon, which is vanilla too.

[Amadine]

The whole idea of basic is for it to be in the original style of mafia - lots of vanilla is a given.

 

So, care to share why i am at the top of your list BG?

[Wayward_fool]

HAH! First vote of the game and I got Mafianess! BUAGAGAGAGAGAGA!!!!

 

Yeah, Boopsy's still got it. *prances about scattering chicken wings* And personally at this point I have my suspects too, but I'm keeping to myself for now, JUST so they don't start changing their playstyle to blend in. I've got my eyes on you, you naughty people. *flashes boobs*

 

Yeah, you know you want it.

[Sakaea]

*pokes teh game*

[mmeeshal]

I am just going to put it out there that I hate misreading AM/PM. I've done it twice now, one here in this game and one in an online class of mine. Something's wrong in my head, I guess. >.<

[Nolder]

Sorry guys been busy playing Skyrim. I think our game died a little bit over the weekend here...Some Night Actions were not sent in. Due to the fact that that kind of sucks and that I really am not in the mood to write a scene right now I am going to extend the night. The new deadline will be TOMORROW (Tuesday) the 15th at 11PM PST. Please send in your Night Actions.

[bgrishinko]

I forgive you. Next week I'll be busy with Zelda. No time for Skyrim for me right now

[bgrishinko]

@Amadine

 

Well, you asked for it. First I'll start with Leyrann's posts:

 

In that interest, I shall follow Saka's lead and UNVOTE my joke vote.

 

Maybe a good idea. UNVOTE.

 

Follows Mawth after people get criticized for leaving Joke votes. Keep this in mind for a following quote later....

 

 

In contradiction to what most people are doing, I am going to place my vote back on my "joke vote" person. Hoof. He said he wasn't going to be around much D1 because he gets into trouble. Yet he's been fairly active, just spamming granted, but still active. So one ping for saying out right he's going to lay low, and two pings for spamming instead meaningfully contributing.

 

I see what you mean, and I agree with it. However, I don't feel this is something I should vote for.

 

Playing both sides of the fence.

 

And I must disagree with you, Tina. While a vote seems much to me, I think that Soy has a point.

 

Still playing it safe on both sides.

 

Okay. To clarify.

 

It was mostly the part "I thought that neither of them voted you". Imo, that shouldn't be important at all.

 

And yeah, maybe that alone is a bit weak, but there were other things Red said, that I also agreed with. And I have the habit (maybe a bad one...) that I always want to have my vote on someone. It is just something that for shows who I think is most scummy, and if that changes, my vote does too. And even if no one is really looking scummy, I vote that person that looks a tiny little bit scummy.

 

A fair enough claim that she likes to always have her vote on someone, valid gameplay style, but then she disregards her apparent "playstyle" the rest of the game. See the beginning UNVOTE post. Also see next post.

 

I would've called it odd, I think. The fact you misread it, also makes you look less scum. I'm willing to vote someone else, but I just don't see anyone. I think it'd be best to UNVOTE again, because you've convinced me.

 

Someone makes an arguement and she takes her vote off. But what happened to always wanting to have her vote on someone? Did she forget this is her playstyle?

 

 

I didn't expect to be able to post today, but I actually have some time...

 

... [bunch of quotes] ...

 

I don't like that. You reply to one sentence, but don't read the sentences before and after it, which say that it is different this time, because it is not fun to be lynched each day one because your play style. I think he also wants to play a real game once. He is not always scum, so just let him survive at D1, then see if he is still scummy in your opinion. We know we have weak cases on D1 (except if someone makes a mistake), and for some reason, we can always make a weak case on Hoof. But on D2, we don't have a stronger case on him (if he still lives), so then, his case isn't the strongest. I guess that it'll be different if he is scum.

 

And because you just ignore the other sentences, I think you are most scummy. For now, I will VOTE Soy.

 

Again, weird flip-floppiness on Hoof in the bold. Says we shouldn't vote for him on Day 1 cause, well, meta basically... but she voted him earlier? This is just a confusing amount of back and forth on Hoof.

 

 

Red is pinging me as per usual, at this stage i am not confident to make a decision as to whether i feel she is town or scum.

 

I am getting a townish feel from Meesh at the moment.

 

Hoof's declaration of remaining inactive day one to stay alive make sense in light of his previous games, yet something does not feel quite right. For the moment i am giving him the benefit of the doubt as to be trying to change his playstyle as i have not read anything overly scummy in any of his posts.

 

At the moment i feel that Ishy and Kae are the most suspicious, then Womby. As usual i have not got much to go on other than a gut feeling, but i will attempt to gather some information on what gives me these feelings but i can't guarantee it.

 

Distancing and buddying up, also apparently thinks Hoof hasn't done anything scummy, BUT wait! Look ^^^^! I believe she voted Hoof and said he Pinged 3 times in the same post!

 

 

 

So to recap:

Joke votes and unvotes as day gets going at same time as Maw.

Votes Hoof and says he is pinging for saying he was going to lay low then participating in the fun of day 1.

Says she ALWAYS has her vote on someone.

Apparently Hoof convinces her not to vote him for now(I didn't include Hoof's post). She unvotes.

Defends Hoof for his Day 1 track record. Implies we can always lynch him day 2.

Votes Soy.

Says that Hoof's posts have nothing overly scummy in his posts.

 

 

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Onto Amadine's posts....

[bgrishinko]

Darg. I messed something up.

 

When reviewing the quotes I accidentally lumped in Amadine's first post thinking it was Leyrann's last. This was not done in deceit, it was an honest mistake. Please don't take it as such. All my other points still stand except when pertaining to the last quote.

 

I'll get to Amadine's posts in a second.

[Nolder]

Flash! Everything is dark. Flash! Flash! The sounds of people scuttling about seem to be outrageously loud despite the fact that any of the scuttlers could hear a pin drop in the locker room. Flash! "Hey Tommy turn the lights back on! This camera isn't meant to be used like a flashlight you know." Said the boy with the cracking voice. Flash! "I seeeee yooouuuu!" Flash! Flash! Flash! Flash! More scuttling is heard. Flash! "...over yourself up right now and get over here!" The face of the football coach is revealed for just a second. Enough time for Willy to shove him awkwardly into a bench which would have tripped him head first into a locker. But Ellen was there and instead of a face full of metal he got a face full of flesh instead. Bzzzzrrrtttt! The lights come back on as the coach picks himself up. He has a slightly horrified look on his face which quickly turns to rage as he switches his attention to the skinny boy with the camera. "What in the hell do you think you're doing pushing me like that boy?!" He picks the boy up full off the ground and walks him to the door and throws him out of the locker room. As he falls the camera drops to the ground and breaks into a dozen pieces. "Get your sorry butt to the principals office right now or I will make sure you regret it later!" The locker room door slams closed. "As for the rest of you, get your clothes and towels, COVER YOURSELVES, and line up. The next person who runs from me that I catch will be reccomended for expulsion." The steam in the locker room is thin now, figures and faces can be made out in the light. Alone with a bunch of hystaric girls and an angry football coach Tommy plans his next moves carefully.

 

Wombat (AKA Willy Wiliamson, Nerd), Mafia Goon, has been killed

 

It is now Day 4. With 7 alive it takes 4 to lynch.

The deadline is November 20th at 9:30AM PST.

[bgrishinko]

Now Amadine's posts:

 

Red is pinging me as per usual, at this stage i am not confident to make a decision as to whether i feel she is town or scum.

 

I am getting a townish feel from Meesh at the moment.

 

Hoof's declaration of remaining inactive day one to stay alive make sense in light of his previous games, yet something does not feel quite right. For the moment i am giving him the benefit of the doubt as to be trying to change his playstyle as i have not read anything overly scummy in any of his posts.

 

At the moment i feel that Ishy and Kae are the most suspicious, then Womby. As usual i have not got much to go on other than a gut feeling, but i will attempt to gather some information on what gives me these feelings but i can't guarantee it.

 

I think that this as a first post midgame is a good distancing post, a few scum and a townfolk lumped together as suspicious. Doesn't really say anything good or bad about Red or Hoof, allows leeway both directions. Meesh is given a greencard.

 

This isn't really a bad post. It could very well be a normal townie post. Just my thoughts that if Amadine is scum, what the intention of this post might be.

 

But lets get this straight for future reference.

 

Meesh = Good

Red + Hoof = Maybe

Ishy + Wombat + Kae = Scummy

 

 

 

I realize this looks really bad, that I appear right after ^^, but I wasn't on like at all most of the weekend. I is back now.

Unvote I no longer think Meesh is all that suspicious. However, Boyo and Hoof are now at the top of my suspect list. Mawthtex, I'm not sure what I think of him atm.

Womby, am I suspect because I wasn't on much recently? Or what? Clarification would be nice.

 

You are right - it does look bad - and i have been lynched for it before.

 

hmmmm setting up future lynches....

it is a two-bladed sword for us, since if he flips town we look at his suspects, if he flips mafia we look at his suspects since we think he is distancing.

 

This after Soy posted his suspect list pings on re-read. It feels like Hoof is trying to discredit prematurely.

 

 

Furthermore, your display of emotion, whether feigned or not, is not helping you any in my eyes.

This. My reaction almost exactly.

 

I don't like this response from Kae, kinda feels like she's tagging behind Womby - whom i already suspect.

 

 

No scene? :'(

Just kidding nol :)

A townie Lynch on day 1.... how unfortunately typical. Sorry about that Soy. :\

 

This is overdone. I have done this by mistake as scum and been immediately lynched for it.

 

There is no point in continuing this, i think.

i am not really sure that Soy IS scum, but he is our best candidate at the moment.

Unvote

vote soy

time for L-1

 

DING DING DING!! this feels wrong. I have voted for someone i felt may not have been scum before for consolidation, but this feels like distancing to me.

 

Soy, just stating that you are town isn't much of a defense when you're so close to being lynched:-/

also, apply what i said about Tina's post, to this post by Sakaea. only with Sakaea, she's more blatantly implying that he should role reveal.

 

as much as this scares me... agreed. Major rolefishing.

 

 

Soy, just stating that you are town isn't much of a defense when you're so close to being lynched:-/

 

also, apply what i said about Tina's post, to this post by Sakaea. only with Sakaea, she's more blatantly implying that he should role reveal.

 

Actually, I wasn't implying he should reveal. I can see how you are construing that I said that, but all I meant was that repeatedly stating he's town seems like scum that can't come up with a better defense. Obviously, that wasn't the case here, tho.

and a scrambling defense

 

Maybe I was rolefishing, but here's my reasoning. My point was that just saying you're town isn't a great defense. It seems weak, like you can't come up with anything else. Yeah, he was vanilla, but if he had been the doc or the cop, wouldn't y'all have wanted him to say so before we lynched him?

 

now admits to rolefishing - flip flopping under pressure?

 

Upon finishing my re-read i feel that Kae is the most suspicious, her obvious rolefishing followed by denial and then admitting to the rolefishing really feels like scrambling to defend and when it doesn't work changing tack. She is closely followed by Hoof and Womby - despite my lack of evidence. I am getting a strange feeling from Maw - i am watching him but nothing has struck me as overt, yet.

 

VOTE SAKAEA

 

All in all builds a case on Kae and Hoof. Ignores everyone else really. Nothing wrong here.

 

 

If Kae were not an uncontested Doc she would get my vote. I am still suspicious of her anyway. Continually pointing out that she has claimed Doc, and semi-FOSing anyone who questions it - eg Ledinna (my bold)

 

I'm good with Maw, Ledinna, or Wombat. All three have pinged me. Womby usually pings me tho. Ledinna is too non-commital about anything right now, and appears to be skimming and missed the fact that I'm the doc, which makes me suspect her. Maw, not sure about him.

 

Maw, anything to contribute?

 

I am not going to vote for an uncontested Doc - but i will be keeping an eye on her. There would be no reason for the real Doc to claim if Kae's is a fake role claim, all it would accomplish is letting the scum know who the real Doc is, and IMO it would make more sense to remain hidden. It's WIFOM i know, but there's my thought process at the moment.

 

Keeps saying over and over how she'd really vote Kae if she only Kae wasn't the Doc. This is odd to me.

 

Now this next exchange is in reply to Meesh asking of Amadine had opinions on anyone else that Kae. Well, Kae is riddled through this still, but then proceeds to build a case on Meesh... the one person she named as likely town earlier.

 

I do, but you are not gonna like them. The following exchange pings hard between you and Kae. She goes from a full FOS of you to agreeing with you in the space of a couple of posts. It feels.... contrived.

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FYI, I don't like the easy "un-countered doc thinks someone is scummy so since I can't vote the doc I'll vote her suspect" vote. Personally, I thought Ama's case against Kae was pretty valid. Saying "That makes sense" and following along isn't necessarily scummy. Granted, I'm not saying Hoof is entirely free of suspicion, but at this point I'm getting a more actual-scum feel from Red's actions than Hoof's. Hoof just seems careless and lazy, not necessarily bad. I'm willing to go either way depending on how this falls out, but I feel more strongly about Red.[/color]

 

FOS Meesh. I don't like this post. To me, it seems like she's breadcrumbing for a false claim later on, which always seems to be a problem when a cop or a doc is forced to claim this early in the game. Also, she seems to be not-so-subtly protecting Hoof. Scum-mates?

 

 

Fair enough, if you think my vote-changing was jokey and my claim to try and help the game along is BS, and you've actually read my reasons, which I feel make perfect sense, especially since my efforts actually worked believe it or not, then obviously there's nothing more I can say.

 

you said it yourself meesh, so stop trying to make a big debate out of it.

 

 

care to explain why else your voting for me. same goes for you Womby, unless your sticking with that crazy "she talked at night and therefore wasn't afriad of being NKd" excuse.

I'm not trying to make it into a big debate. That, actually, is one of the reasons I'm voting for you. I told you, you hadn't given any indication that you were actually reading what I was saying.

 

You've been conveniently picking out the parts of my posts that suit your purposes, and ignoring everything else. If I try and call attention to that fact, you suddenly try to make me look like I'm blowing everything out of proportion, to make me out to be the bad guy--you're only convincing me further that my vote's in the right place. I'm not budging unless it's that or random modkill.

 

[color=#730623

FYI, I don't like the easy "un-countered doc thinks someone is scummy so since I can't vote the doc I'll vote her suspect" vote. Personally, I thought Ama's case against Kae was pretty valid. Saying "That makes sense" and following along isn't necessarily scummy. Granted, I'm not saying Hoof is entirely free of suspicion, but at this point I'm getting a more actual-scum feel from Red's actions than Hoof's. Hoof just seems careless and lazy, not necessarily bad. I'm willing to go either way depending on how this falls out, but I feel more strongly about Red.[/color]

 

FOS Meesh. I don't like this post. To me, it seems like she's breadcrumbing for a false claim later on, which always seems to be a problem when a cop or a doc is forced to claim this early in the game. Also, she seems to be not-so-subtly protecting Hoof. Scum-mates?

Um, first of all, please point out why you think I'm breadcrumbing for a false claim. I don't see any of that anywhere. I just learned about breadcrumbing like two days ago, so maybe something I'm saying is coming across that way and I don't see it? I'm not FoSing you, Kae, just Red. Why the big reaction?

 

Also, yeah, I'm scum with Hoof, you caught me. I love when I do stuff people can describe as pretty much "clumsy scum stuff" and people actually think that's what it is. Give me some credit, folks. I don't consider myself a clumsy player.

 

 

It seems like you're subtly saying you're the doc not me, so you can claim doc later to try to get me lynched. If it's just a n00b thing, ok. But I read it, saw it how I saw it, and posted what I thought. FOS retracted for the moment however. Your reaction seems genuine.

 

I don't know why the color code failed for me, I didn't change it:-/

 

 

I think since you chopped off half of my post, you accidentally took out the "]" at the end of the first color tag. I added it in and that fixed the problem.

 

Since you point it out, I can see how it might have come across that way. It constantly amazes me how much there is that I STILL don't know about mafia, considering I've been playing for a long time, but the idea of breadcrumbing came as a total surprise to me. XD

 

Basically what I was saying is that I didn't like the way Red was so casual about switching votes to Hoof. Not away from you; that's understandable. But to Hoof, with pretty much no explanation and following your lead. It comes across to me as Red being scum, knowing you're the doctor and that Hoof isn't scum, and wanting to look good by following the doctor's lead without question. Alternatively, it (the vote change) could be a distancing ploy between her and Hoof.

 

And then I was saying that the case you made on Hoof ("scummy following other people's reasoning") wasn't that much to go on, honestly, because Ama did make some good points and it could have been laziness on Hoof's part.

 

And then I was saying that Red seems more scummy to me than Hoof, based on what I've seen.

 

So yeah, maybe putting those in a bulleted list or something the first time around might have been a bit clearer. XD

 

 

You make a good point. Now they both seem scummy to me. But I'm going to leave my vote on Hoof, because I do think he's the way to go for a lynch today.

 

 

 

Also i still feel like there's something happening with Womby, not sure what though and i can't explain it. There's something there and makes me stop and scratch my head - i'm not sure it's because he is scum though. I am going to hold off on voting still to see where the day leads.

 

What happened to suspicions of Ishy? She keeps name dropping Wombat as suspicious, but nothing more. This leads me to believe it is a distancing maneauver. Scum often will say X teammate is scummy and never give a reason. They can distance without having to build a case.

 

 

Hence the reason i have not voted.

 

I just like to keep my mind open to all possibilities in mafia, including those that seem unlikely.

 

Fine, but why aren't you opening your mind and sharing your thoughts on the possibilities that DO seem likely? Why focus on the unlikely when the likely makes much more sense?

 

 

Maw is an interesting one. I'm not convinced on him - either way. He has been tagging along with other players but i'm getting almost a newbie feel from him. Kae was my strongest lead and look how that has panned out looks like my scumdar may be broken this game LMAO

 

Trend starts moving towards Maw vote. Creates a lead in post to allow for a vote later that won't seem out of the blue. In my opinion, at this point, the scum feel that Maw is a lost cause and they better have someone on the vote to help distance. Amadine is being prepped. (Side note: Wombat was getting ready too, but obviously waiting for deadline in hopes he wouldn't have to hammer a teammate or maybe waiting for Amadine to chime in... but that's for another post...).

 

 

Okay so i have done another re-read, my thoughts on Maw are still hazy, though as Meesh pointed out he has done a very good job of flying under the radar, and that final post of his was not really a defence of himself, just a finger pointed at Ledinna - which feels a lot like scrambling to me. It is enough to sway me towards thinking he is more than likely not a townie, so

 

VOTE MAW

 

And Hammers. Gotta get that teammate on the vote, Amadine seems to be be the better choice over Wombat strategically.

 

So anyway, in conclusion, Amadine has the benefit of being able to come in half way and not need to have opinions on the first half the game. Makes it harder for us as town and easier for her to fly under the radar. She is singley focused on Kae as the best target for the day, even though she has other "potential" scum to look for. Never talks about or builds a case on the other people she finds "suspicious" even when specifically asked. Talks about Maw only when it becomes apparent Maw is probably going to be lynched and then Hammers.

 

Now individually either one of these cases would only seem semi-scummy to me. One to make me keep an eye on them. But the fact that BOTH players are semi-scummy tips the scales a bit more than usual.

 

Therefore Amadine is at the top of my list.

[bgrishinko]

Oh hey! Wombat died! And was scum! Sorry for posting a long rant right after the scene. I was mod ninja'd.

[mmeeshal]

First of all--YUSSSSS!!! I love it when I'm right.

 

Secondly, interesting case on Amadine...I could totally buy it. I did want to point out that Leyrann is a boy, but other than that, I don't really have any major mistakes or anything to point out about your case.

 

I'm not entirely sure I want to vote Amadine just yet, because I want to see what other people think, and I still find Ledinna pretty scummy, but I'm definitely open to voting her based on everything you've pointed out, BG.

[mmeeshal]

Also, I don't know who you protected, but good choice, Kae.

[bgrishinko]

I did want to point out that Leyrann is a boy, but other than that, I don't really have any major mistakes or anything to point out about your case.

 

 

 

@Leyrann if you are checking up on this ever... my bad. I swear I do that once a game.

[bgrishinko]

I want to hear more from Ishy and Ledinna too.

[Sakaea]

I'd be willing to vote for Ama or Ledinna. Both have seemed scummy. Ishy, Boopsy, what do you two think?

[mmeeshal]

As far as Ishy goes, I don't think we've heard from him at all in a while, and I know he's been online because he's posted elsewhere.... Not helpful, man. Give us something to work with.

[Levity]

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[bgrishinko]

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And stay out!

[Levity]

Sorry, I posted here on accident. ):

 

Carry on.

[bgrishinko]

This are basically the only 2 posts that Ledinna has made with any significance on the game. I reviewed the first one the other day already.

 

1. Wombat - First I got a little townish feeling from him but now as there are so many things speaking against him, I'd rather think him as scum,

2. Leyrann -> Amadine - Ley was scummish for me but that may just be his style to play. Ama has been rather townish but it can just mean she's really good in this. So no ideas about this yet.

3. Song -> Wayward_Fool - There has been so little of those both that I can't say anything yet.

4. Ishmael Forsaken - Maybe he is scum, I don't know but if he was, then he possibly could hide it well.

6. Meesh - I thought town in the beginning but now I'm thinking it over. She's definetly not the highest of my suspicion list but yeah, I'm thinking it over.

8. bgrishinko - I have to admit that womby was right about BG playing safe. Not sure about him, though.

9. Mawthtex - Rather scummy, but when I think of how many of those I thought were scum, ended up being town, I have no idea anymore. But he still seems scummy to me.

12. Krakalakachkn -> Me - Well, town (as like anyone would believe it just by saying this...) -.-

13. Sakaea - I think I need more evidence now. I haven't played with her before this so I don't know what is just her playing style and what is her possible role. But she isn't totally unsuspected.

 

And about the statistic conversation, I think I have to agree with BG in this one.

 

 

 

What I meant with my "Sakaea isn't totally unsuspected" was that even though she says she's the doctor, it isn't automatically the truth. Maybe it's a lie and we should be more careful with her. And even though it were a lie she could still be just a desperate townie. But on the other hand it can as well be the truth, and that's why more evidences are needed, so that we won't lynch the Doc. I'm not bending on either side yet.

 

Really... this is nothing to go on one way or another. A ledinna lynch would be helpful if A) Scum was hiding in the shadows B) We wanted to get rid of "dead weight." No offense, but your not really pulling your own weight if you are town. But I'm not laying my money here yet.

[bgrishinko]

Sorry guys been busy playing Skyrim. I think our game died a little bit over the weekend here...Some Night Actions were not sent in. Due to the fact that that kind of sucks and that I really am not in the mood to write a scene right now I am going to extend the night. The new deadline will be TOMORROW (Tuesday) the 15th at 11PM PST. Please send in your Night Actions.

 

 

I think at this point it is safe to say we have probably 1, maaaybe 2, mafia left. So I don't see any issues to asking what happened last night and it will only hurt the mafia to get everything in the open and start looking for conflicting stories.

 

It is apparent that as of this post, some people had not submitted NAs. I doubt it was Meesh or Kae, also Amadine and Boops also chimed before this post, so that is good for them...

 

Wombat, scum, died. What happened? Could it be that the there was an inactive scum and they hit the deadline and the NK went to Random? Or do we have other things at play such as a redirector? Do you think this is a bad idea?

 

2. Amadine

3. Wayward_Fool

4. Ishmael Forsaken

6. Meeshal - *somethingimportant*

8. bgrishinko - VANILLA

12. Ledinna Sedai

13. Sakaea - COP

[bgrishinko]

Man. I'm having brain farts all over DM today. Kae claimed DOC not cop. *grumbles to self*

[mmeeshal]

I'm able to shed some light on the situation, but I'm hesitant to do so unless we think coming clean at this point is our best chance of finding scum.

 

I mostly just like keeping the scum guessing, so if I'm being silly...