Elayne and Mat's Terangreal

[mb]

There might be a chance that Elayne did not study the terangreal at all.

She seen the terangreal itself and its effects enough times before duplicating it.

 

Or if she did study it, the One Power might not have been the only way.

Might have studied with the 5 senses; except perhaps with hearing.

[maryemi'jigede]

Yes, Aviendha's residue reading Talent is very rare, apparently some of the Forsaken can do it. Rand can also read residues I think (has he used it once or twice to follow Forsaken?).

 

With the unravelling, that's seen as a basic skill to learn by the Wise Ones, but Aviendha has a Talent for it (like Nynaeve has a Talent for healing) so I guess she's like a level 99 at unravelling whereas a Wise One would be a level 10??? Lol, just to put it in perspective.

 

Moridin's eyes nearly fell out of his head when he saw her unravelling - his thoughts indicated he had not seen the like even in the AOL. Or maybe I just read it that way?

[Orderofolde]

I think that the only reason the Forsaken aren't better than they are is that they had no Ter'angreal, Sa'Angreal, or Angreal and could not recall their making. Out of thirteen, maybe they knew a piece, but short of the DO commanding it I can't recall any more than 4-5 of them working together at any one time. Probably a good thing.

[gloweye]

I've always found it weird they didn't make new schocklances and the like - They complained about their absence, but 13 of the best AoL AS together without knowledge of making ter'angreaal? sounds unlikely...

 

Morridin probably knows the risk of untying weaves, and never expected someone "inexperienced" in his eyes to unty a weave the size of a gateway. the risk is high - we see that when Elayne tries the same.

 

Back on topic: maybe there is a simple reason why she hasn't been able to copy the medallion. the eyes of the fox look like the AS symbol - both sides of the source. maybe she would require saidin as well.

[Smittyphi]

I thought the pattern spins out more talents and channelers in greater numbers in anticipation of the battle between the DR and the DO to ensure a "fair fight". I thought I read that somewhere but can't be sure.

[BrennanTucker]

I've always found it weird they didn't make new schocklances and the like - They complained about their absence, but 13 of the best AoL AS together without knowledge of making ter'angreaal? sounds unlikely...

 

Morridin probably knows the risk of untying weaves, and never expected someone "inexperienced" in his eyes to unty a weave the size of a gateway. the risk is high - we see that when Elayne tries the same.

 

Back on topic: maybe there is a simple reason why she hasn't been able to copy the medallion. the eyes of the fox look like the AS symbol - both sides of the source. maybe she would require saidin as well.

 

It isn't actually that unlikely, I believe that even in the AoL that the making of Ter'Angreal and Angreal, and especially Sa'Angreal was a talent all its own, and took a fair amount of knowledge to create. And of all of the forsaken, Greandal really was possibly the only one who could make them what with her being a researcher and all. And I agree with the idea that at least with a Ter'Angreal such as the medallion which cancels out all weaves directed at it that it would have to have been made by saidin and saidar working in tandum, one would simply not be enough. Do I recall a time when Elayne tried to unravel a gate and the whole freaking thing exploded in her face and nearly killed everyone around her? Haha, silly queen, tricks are for Aiel.

 

Warrior

[Luckers]

Graendal was a psychologist. Lanfear was a One Power researcher--or at least did work in that area--Mesaana wanted to be one, but was turned down. Aginor was a biologist. The rest followed all sorts of wierd paths, none of which lead to the ability to create ter'angreal.

 

But the fact is that Talent is very rare. Of all the 300+ Aes Sedai in Salidar, only 2 besides Elayne had the Talent. The idea of their not being 1 in 13, when there were only 3 in 300, makes it quite reasonable that none had that Talent.

[mb]

I recall an Egwene POV telling 3 besides Elayne. Crossroads of Twilight; do not remember exact chapter.

[michael.clinton83]

It's been a while since I've read the relevant section, but wasn't residue-reading implied to be much more common amongst the Aiel Wise Ones than Aes Sedai? Aviendha didn't seem to consider it a Talent at all, more like a specialist skill.

 

This is an easy to misunderstand confusion as there were two 'talents' discussed at the same time. The 'unweaving' is the one that most wise ones know and can be taught, this isn't a 'talent' at all. Elayne was able to grasp the concept and attempt it, and was mostly successfull just with a big boom. This is the one that isn't so much a talent as it is a skill not known to Aes Sedai.

 

The second one is the actual talent, reading residues. Avi explains it to Elayne, and the whole reason they unweave the gateway is because they don't want to risk a Seanchan damane having the same talent and being able to learn traveling. When a weave is ended, it leaves a residue that someone like Avi can read and understand even after the weave is gone. The weave has to be 'unwoven' to prevent any residues from being left behind. In this sense, the two things go hand in hand, which explains why people confuse the two.

[Stubob]

Avi has a few talents actually. Reading ter'angreal is one of them but she also has the very rare talent for reading a weave's residue and being able to reproduce that weave, even if she didn't see it "spun".

 

It's been a while since I've read the relevant section, but wasn't residue-reading implied to be much more common amongst the Aiel Wise Ones than Aes Sedai? Aviendha didn't seem to consider it a Talent at all, more like a specialist skill.

Yes. Any woman who's good with needlework etc., can be taught according to Avi. Begs the question why a Maiden of the Spear would be good with a needle, of course.

BTW, this implies the Cadsuane can unpick weaves with a disdainful sniff and a wave of her fingers.

 

Sewing up wounds from battle of course. They're not all bloody sides of beef!

[baalsmistress]

Avi has a few talents actually. Reading ter'angreal is one of them but she also has the very rare talent for reading a weave's residue and being able to reproduce that weave, even if she didn't see it "spun".

 

It's been a while since I've read the relevant section, but wasn't residue-reading implied to be much more common amongst the Aiel Wise Ones than Aes Sedai? Aviendha didn't seem to consider it a Talent at all, more like a specialist skill.

Yes. Any woman who's good with needlework etc., can be taught according to Avi. Begs the question why a Maiden of the Spear would be good with a needle, of course.

BTW, this implies the Cadsuane can unpick weaves with a disdainful sniff and a wave of her fingers.

 

Sewing up wounds from battle of course. They're not all bloody sides of beef!

 

I can se it now - Maiden of the spear laying on the ground, a sword gash across her thigh. 3 of her sisters standing around her arguing while she bleeds to death

 

MoS 1 : A simple overhand stitch would be best

MoS 2 : No, we should use a cross stitched pattern, that would hold the flesh together better

MoS 3 : You're both wrong. What you need to do is a running stitch, then backtrack over it with a zigazg stitch

MoS 1 : There's no time, the overhand is faster

MoS 3 : But might not stop the bleeding

MoS 2 : erm... sisters... she's dead