Werewolf game 4: Underworld edition

[Lukys Kinch]

I believe he also mentioned enjoying watching the person people all listen to eating our innards...

 

I think I'm going to agree with Angyl on this one and vote for Kadere.

[Kadere]

I since some serious innocent villager hating in this thread.

 

Well I will vote for Sirayn who is obviously a werewolf.... or a vampire.

[Sirayn]

There's no need to trust me personally. You can mistrust me and and my arguments might turn out valid, or you can trust me and it turns out I was smoking something colourful at the time. It's also not my job to tell the roled players what to do and I urge them not to follow my post blindly - I've just made some suggestions so you can make your own decisions.

 

The side benefit to talking about roles is that any roled players with questions to ask may be able to slip them under the radar without being noticed by the evil players. So if you're an innocent with comments or questions about the roles to raise, throw them out there. You'll be doing your roled friends a favour by giving them some camouflage.

 

I'm inclined to be suspicious of Kadere right now. His initial response to what I felt was a well-reasoned post on my part was not exactly what I expected from someone who wanted productive discussion to help out the roled players. Maybe he's right and I am taking this too seriously, but then again, why not take advantage of me while I'm here? Also, as others have pointed out, his frivolous comments - I assume he's being frivolous - are big on the wrongful lynching of innocents.

 

It's not exactly a solid case, but we're not going to get a better one on day one, I feel. Unless anyone wants to go to night? I know it gives the evils a free kill, but it also gives the seer a free night to investigate, assuming that the free kill doesn't coincide with the seer, so to speak. The downside is that we won't get the possibility of lynching someone and finding them evil, thus allowing us to draw connections to other players. I'm not sure that going to night is the best idea right now but I'm up for discussing it if anyone else is thinking about going to night.

[Lukys Kinch]

Apparently I missed a rule or two... we can go to night without lynching someone?

 

Not saying I don't still think Kadere is a bad-guy, but this would be nice to know for the future.

[Sirayn]

Sorry, I'm confusing myself. My normal mafia game habitat has the go to night option where you can skip the day phase and hit night without a lynch. This has its benefits and drawbacks as I outlined above. It's not mentioned in the rules so maybe it's not an option here. Raena?

[Dark Justice]

Kadere. We need to lynch somebody, and he seems to like to be lynched.

[Raena]

Sirayn said...

Sorry, I'm confusing myself. My normal mafia game habitat has the go to night option where you can skip the day phase and hit night without a lynch. This has its benefits and drawbacks as I outlined above. It's not mentioned in the rules so maybe it's not an option here. Raena?

 

Sure, you can have that option as well. I've got no problems with it. :D

[the dude]

*bump*

 

raena?

 

mod is deaf to our pleas!!!

[Alys Kinch]

and the voting is underway!

 

love the flimsy excuses. :P

 

how was the chocolate with absolutely no!! extra ingredients??

[Raena]

Vote count

 

Kadere 4 (Angyl, Sirayn, Lukys Kinch, Dark Justice)

Tessa Sedai 2 (Kaznen, the dude)

Sirayn 1 (Kadere)

 

Not voting: Alys Kinch, Nevare, Tessa Sedai, goldeneys, Winter Mist, GoodGrief, Direwolf Jon, Zylazlo-

 

15 alive, 8 votes to lynch.

[goldeneys]

Kadere

 

He said he likes the drama of watching the wrong person get lynched. That sounds evil to me. And even if it isn't' date=' he should be entertained.[/quote']

 

*goggles at his own thoughts mirrored*

 

I too vote for Kadere.

[Sirayn]

Thinking ahead! Kadere may want to skip past. ;)

 

*rolls up sleeves*

 

Having the option to go to night changes the game a bit. I know the even-odd mafia rule hasn't been used a lot here and frankly I'm not too familiar with it myself, but if my sums are correct, it now has a bearing on the situation. This applies to all games in which there are an odd number of players. Let me demonstrate for a 15-player game.

 

Lynch Scenario

Day One - 15 players, lynch

Night One - 14 players, kill

Day Two - 13 players, lynch

(subtract 2 players each day)

Day Six - 5 players - possible evil majority

 

No Lynch Scenario

Day One - 15 players, no lynch

Night One - 15 players, kill

Day Two - 14 players, lynch

(subtract 2 players each day)

Day Six - 6 players - no possible evil majority

 

All things considered, therefore, the even-odd rule shows that where there is an odd number of players, going to night on one occasion gives you an extra day before the evil majority.

 

PS. Also note that the above applies to no-lynching on any one day. It doesn't necessarily have to be today, and since we're moving toward a consensus on Kadere, I feel it may be better to no-lynch at a later time.

PPS. This assumes that the lovers live to the final day. It's impossible to legislate for these two, I think.

[Talya]

This is very difficult because there doesn't seem to be much evidence anywhere.

I'll have to go with Kadere I think he stands out among us mainly due to what he said.

[Winter Mist]

For the reasons that have already been given, and knowing how hard it is to make the first vote... I vote for Kadere too.

[Alys Kinch]

sira! you forgot about the angel's ability to protect. that alters everything as well.

[Sirayn]

Thanks, I completely forgot the healer. :oops: I'm not sure that it makes all that much difference though. The chances of the healer protecting the same person whom an evil faction is targeting are pretty low - since their role is not only to heal but to keep the evil factions off roled players through the threat of healing inherent to their presence. I think the even-odd rule probably still applies; I'm not recommending it for today, given that we're now one vote away from a lynch, but it's a card to keep in our hand in case at a later date we can't reach a conclusion.

 

PS. The even-odd rule can be particularly useful in the endgame in situations such as this:

 

Day n - 3 innocents, 1 evil, 25% chance of success - no lynch

Night n - 3 innocents, 1 evil - night kill

Day n+1 - 2 innocents, 1 evil - 33% chance of success - lynch

 

Contrast to:

 

Day n - 3 innocents, 1 evil, 25% chance of success - lynch

Night n - 2 innocents, 1 evil - night kill

Day n+1 - 1 innocents, 1 evil - game over

 

Again this is problematic when you factor in the healer and couple but I think it's a decent rule of thumb. Going to night is a useful strategy in the right situation.

[Kadere]

alright screw it. If I'm getting lynched I'm going to go drink all the rum in the bar. *goes to get drunk*

[Alys Kinch]

in that case, let's get it over with. kadere day one sucks. for the record. :(

[Kadere]

*drinks more rum* Oh well, the vamp and werewolf will get you all then, bye bye haters!

[the dude]

why kadere, are you trying to suggest something?

[Alys Kinch]

if he is, he needs to speak up now.

[Kadere]

Only that you're killing an innocent man, and thus allowing the werewolves and vampires kill you.

[the dude]

that sounds like vampire talk to me!

 

hey, um, raena.... something just occured to me..... how do the vampires hang out with the villagers in the day?

[Raena]

Umm... They're special.

[Alys Kinch]

maybe they are post blade