[Advanced/Experimental] Game of Thrones Mafia

[the dude]

  On 8/21/2011 at 8:34 PM, John McClane said:

Hmmm... interesting that you found it necessary to defend to this extent...

 

heh, couldn't figure out a way to say it shorter without it seeming off-hand and having said it once i won't have to explain again heh

 

as to my other post, i give you credit as a decent player based on the success rate i've seen here. you know what you're talking about and it looks like we're all pretty solid on you being a survivor at this point - anyone thinking you're not is grasping at the thinnest of straws.

 

but the other side here of you being good is that if you do get converted, you'll probably be pretty good at concealing it too. just sayin'. if you're a good ally you're probably a dangerous enemy.

[John McClane]

  On 8/22/2011 at 12:38 AM, the dude said:

  On 8/21/2011 at 8:34 PM, John McClane said:

Hmmm... interesting that you found it necessary to defend to this extent...

 

heh, couldn't figure out a way to say it shorter without it seeming off-hand and having said it once i won't have to explain again heh

 

as to my other post, i give you credit as a decent player based on the success rate i've seen here. you know what you're talking about and it looks like we're all pretty solid on you being a survivor at this point - anyone thinking you're not is grasping at the thinnest of straws.

 

but the other side here of you being good is that if you do get converted, you'll probably be pretty good at concealing it too. just sayin'. if you're a good ally you're probably a dangerous enemy.

 

Compelling.

 

You sound like you were given this advice, "Flatter the monkey and he'll leave you alone." by one of your JN team mates.

 

There isn't a bad player amongst the lot of JN folks that came over for this game, hence the reason they were invited into the game.

[Verbal32]

  On 8/21/2011 at 11:15 PM, Myndrunner said:

  On 8/21/2011 at 8:45 PM, Verbal32 said:

Mynd, you are showing every sign of being cult, my friend.

 

Of course, there cannot be any other possibility why I would vote Smash, in all the games we've played together. ;)

 

Now, I do take complete offense to any accusation that I would sell out to the bloody Lannisters *spits* for I am a man of honor and decency and do what is for the greater good. To think that anyone would imply that my vote is for sale is....preposterous! Gold directing my vote? HA!

 

Perhaps if I threw my lot in with the Starks, who seem to be honorable and good people, it would be seen as bandwagoning, but I'm 'fraid the good of the land and the greater good must be considered here. My vote to aid in the end of Lady BooBoo's life should hold at least some merit.

 

Let us also consider the dynamics of this game. Who would be the cult exactly? The White Walkers? Not really making sense within the Game of Thrones mythology. What about Kal Drago's army? Not really a cult either. So why again are we pointing fingers and screaming cult and getting our knickers all in a bunch?

 

I say to you all, I voted the way that my....ahem.....good will directed me to. Take that for what you will, but my lynch will not only give no information but also will currently not help Lannister, Stark, or any other faction. Why, keeping me alive would actually benefit any faction willing to contribute to....*cough cough*....the greater good.

 

Ugh, I would think the Targaryans (sp?) are the cult here. Am I completely misreading this post? Cause you seem to be hinting at perhaps being a dragon.

 

However, you're use of the term "Lady BooBoo" is so damn funny that I'm inclined to just believe anything you say, hehe. Almost.

[Bleedin Green]

  On 8/21/2011 at 8:32 PM, John McClane said:

Everyone is a candidate Smash, however I haven't been converted. My point with the post earlier was that the perceive "good players" will often be converted first... it could be a flawed assumption, but I'm just thinking out loud. I think conversion targets are going to depend on whether the cult is JN-heavy or DM-heavy.

Agree that, at least early, the conversions will probably vary based on the origins of the CL, but after a couple of days no matter who the cult started with, the conversions will likely be based on things that have happened in the game, so I certainly wouldn't base too much on that.

 

As far as the "good players" getting converted... I've never been converted, so what exactly are you trying to say, huh?

[DPR]

Thoughts before I crash: It seems like Sakaea was trying a little to hard to spit on the Lannisters.

I am House Stark. I suspect that the cult has recruited within our house.

Then it seemed like Adella kind of popped up to defend her?

If Red was telling the truth about how many players House Lannister had (4), then it will be interesting for folks to know that House Stark has 5.

I agree with Verb about Mynd - he almost tries to make the cult a non-issue, like we shouldn't worry about them at all? That just seems like a fast way to a speed-lynch, heh.

If I die, it will most likely be from players within my house. I will ghost post further with names if and when I feel it is necessary.

I also agree with Bleedin about the recruitment patterns of the cult.

The way to win this game is for House Stark to pump gold into the game, a specific amount to each player willing to state the role they will buy, and who they will use it on. This way, we can collect info quickly, and find the cult.

[Myndrunner]

Ahh yes, the dragons, i misread the OP.

 

I am not the dragons, but my lance is free and available to the highest bidder. I shall speak the kings english from now on.

[CTM]

meh, i really don't think yesterday was a big success for anyone but starks (even them it's questionable)... lynching lannisters is a waste of time at this point.. we should be looking for cult

[Sharrow]

Imo, most likely to be the last Lannister family member: Crusher, 80, Dude

 

I would say the following players are most likely not Lannister aligned: Sakaea, McApe, CTM, Slats, Smash, FDM, Bleedin, Adella, Hybrid, Alys, Sharrow

 

Leaving: Vic, Wombat, 80, or Verbal, Nae, Mynd, Barm, DPR, the Dude as possible Bannermen.

 

Blue being my best guesses.

 

 

Anyway, I agree that we should lynch for cult and not Lannister; but we probably won't have to worry about it, since the Starks should should probably kill Crusher tonight.

[Sharrow]

Best guesses for cult would probably be Slats or Alys; or if they're really hiding- Vic, 80, Nae, Barm, Mynd, or the Dude.

[Hybrid]

  On 8/22/2011 at 2:23 AM, DreadPirateRoberts said:

I also agree with Bleedin about the recruitment patterns of the cult.

 

Agreed.

The danger of buying votes is passing money to the wrong person -- cult could end up with a lot of NKs that way. Do the pros outweight the cons? And why do you think that your House has been infiltrated?

[John McClane]

  On 8/22/2011 at 3:56 AM, CTM said:

meh, i really don't think yesterday was a big success for anyone but starks (even them it's questionable)... lynching lannisters is a waste of time at this point.. we should be looking for cult

 

I think I've made this point ad nauseum, but here goes again.... if we see someone bringing a case against a Stark, its a pretty big indication that they are Lannister, Cult or a clueless survivor. The third being least likely. Anyway, its a win/win to lynch that person if the worst case is removing a Lannister (their cause is lost) and the best case is they are Cult. That's the way I see it at least.

[DPR]

I don't get CTM's post either - if the Survivors pledge House Stark, and House Stark is poised to win, then all of the effort goes into an organized scum hunt. How is that not a big success?

[CTM]

  On 8/22/2011 at 11:01 AM, John McClane said:

  On 8/22/2011 at 3:56 AM, CTM said:

meh, i really don't think yesterday was a big success for anyone but starks (even them it's questionable)... lynching lannisters is a waste of time at this point.. we should be looking for cult

 

I think I've made this point ad nauseum, but here goes again.... if we see someone bringing a case against a Stark, its a pretty big indication that they are Lannister, Cult or a clueless survivor. The third being least likely. Anyway, its a win/win to lynch that person if the worst case is removing a Lannister (their cause is lost) and the best case is they are Cult. That's the way I see it at least.

I don't understand you're point in making this post, i've read you're opinion and I don't agree. Did you think that your repeating your assertion would make me reconsider "oh, well the ape thinks it was good so it must be true cause he's really smart" ...neigh

 

As i said when I quoted booboo, he's either lannister or cluless survivor.. I don't think cult has any reason to target starks specifically like that.. it's basically game over for the lannisters

[CTM]

  On 8/22/2011 at 12:14 PM, DreadPirateRoberts said:

I don't get CTM's post either - if the Survivors pledge House Stark, and House Stark is poised to win, then all of the effort goes into an organized scum hunt. How is that not a big success?

Cause me and the rest of the survivors should've already pledged house stark... killing jifclueless wouldn't have made a difference in that decision

[Kivam]

Still waiting on one action.

[WWWwombat]

CTM is a hider again?

[Kivam]

  On 8/22/2011 at 1:42 PM, WWWwombat said:

CTM is a hider again?

 

Mentally repped

[John McClane]

  On 8/22/2011 at 12:17 PM, CTM said:

  On 8/22/2011 at 11:01 AM, John McClane said:

  On 8/22/2011 at 3:56 AM, CTM said:

meh, i really don't think yesterday was a big success for anyone but starks (even them it's questionable)... lynching lannisters is a waste of time at this point.. we should be looking for cult

 

I think I've made this point ad nauseum, but here goes again.... if we see someone bringing a case against a Stark, its a pretty big indication that they are Lannister, Cult or a clueless survivor. The third being least likely. Anyway, its a win/win to lynch that person if the worst case is removing a Lannister (their cause is lost) and the best case is they are Cult. That's the way I see it at least.

I don't understand you're point in making this post, i've read you're opinion and I don't agree. Did you think that your repeating your assertion would make me reconsider "oh, well the ape thinks it was good so it must be true cause he's really smart" ...neigh

 

As i said when I quoted booboo, he's either lannister or cluless survivor.. I don't think cult has any reason to target starks specifically like that.. it's basically game over for the lannisters

 

I get what you are saying, however, I guess where we differ is that you aren't considering that any cult could push a Stark hunt like that to appear Lannister... which is kinda what I think Myndrunner is doing.

 

You don't really appear to be using your brain at all this game.

[CTM]

  On 8/22/2011 at 2:01 PM, John McClane said:

  On 8/22/2011 at 12:17 PM, CTM said:

I don't understand you're point in making this post, i've read you're opinion and I don't agree. Did you think that your repeating your assertion would make me reconsider "oh, well the ape thinks it was good so it must be true cause he's really smart" ...neigh

 

As i said when I quoted booboo, he's either lannister or cluless survivor.. I don't think cult has any reason to target starks specifically like that.. it's basically game over for the lannisters

 

I get what you are saying, however, I guess where we differ is that you aren't considering that any cult could push a Stark hunt like that to appear Lannister... which is kinda what I think Myndrunner is doing.

 

You don't really appear to be using your brain at all this game.

You don't have a brain..

 

Stark NK's can quickly dispatch of suspected lannisters, we should be pressuring people looking for cult imo.. another cycle went by with likely another conversion.. we're losing ground

[John McClane]

  On 8/22/2011 at 2:23 PM, CTM said:

  On 8/22/2011 at 2:01 PM, John McClane said:

  On 8/22/2011 at 12:17 PM, CTM said:

I don't understand you're point in making this post, i've read you're opinion and I don't agree. Did you think that your repeating your assertion would make me reconsider "oh, well the ape thinks it was good so it must be true cause he's really smart" ...neigh

 

As i said when I quoted booboo, he's either lannister or cluless survivor.. I don't think cult has any reason to target starks specifically like that.. it's basically game over for the lannisters

 

I get what you are saying, however, I guess where we differ is that you aren't considering that any cult could push a Stark hunt like that to appear Lannister... which is kinda what I think Myndrunner is doing.

 

You don't really appear to be using your brain at all this game.

You don't have a brain..

 

Stark NK's can quickly dispatch of suspected lannisters, we should be pressuring people looking for cult imo.. another cycle went by with likely another conversion.. we're losing ground

 

Talk about redundancy.

 

"you have no brain ape"

 

"we should be hunting cult"

 

We are hunting Cult, and in JIF's situation he was voted primarily as a cult suspect - that being the best case scenario for us - worst case he was obviously not a Stark, so it was a low risk lynch. What are you not getting about that? Thickheaded jackass.

[CTM]

  On 8/22/2011 at 2:33 PM, John McClane said:

 

Talk about redundancy.

 

"you have no brain ape"

 

"we should be hunting cult"

 

We are hunting Cult, and in JIF's situation he was voted primarily as a cult suspect - that being the best case scenario for us - worst case he was obviously not a Stark, so it was a low risk lynch. What are you not getting about that? Thickheaded jackass.

if you thought cult would coe out and push a stark lynch you're too dumb to talk to..

 

l8r

[John McClane]

  On 8/22/2011 at 12:19 PM, CTM said:

  On 8/22/2011 at 12:14 PM, DreadPirateRoberts said:

I don't get CTM's post either - if the Survivors pledge House Stark, and House Stark is poised to win, then all of the effort goes into an organized scum hunt. How is that not a big success?

Cause me and the rest of the survivors should've already pledged house stark... killing jifclueless wouldn't have made a difference in that decision

 

CTM's position on not wanting to hunt BOTH Cult and Lannister combined is a direct contradiction to the Starks win conditions of this game. See below, CTM is basically saying that he is no longer a survivor and that he has pledged Stark. However, he is chiding me for expressing satisfaction with nailing JIF because he was either Lannister or Cult.

 

Starks win when all Lannister House/Bannermen are dead... AND when all Cult is dead. If CTM is Stark he should want to kill both Lannister and Cult, and thus should consider JIF's lynch a success. He shouldn't be downplaying it and advocating that we only hunt cult.

 

Independent survivors actually have the more attainable win condition in all of this, all indie survivors have to do is kill all the Cult.

 

 

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There are 4 alignments and win conditions in this game:

 

1) Stark House and Bannermen

2) Lannister House and Bannermen

3) Targaryen Cult

4) Survivor.

 

The Stark House and Bannermen will win when all of the Lannister House and Bannermen, and all Cultists, are dead. The Lannister House and Bannermen will win when the Stark House and Bannermen, and all Cultists, are dead.

 

Survivors can win with either the Starks or the Lannisters, so long as they are alive at endgame. And survivors have the option of joining either the Stark or Lannister faction.

 

And if the Cult wins, everyone else loses.

[John McClane]

  On 8/22/2011 at 2:40 PM, CTM said:

  On 8/22/2011 at 2:33 PM, John McClane said:

 

Talk about redundancy.

 

"you have no brain ape"

 

"we should be hunting cult"

 

We are hunting Cult, and in JIF's situation he was voted primarily as a cult suspect - that being the best case scenario for us - worst case he was obviously not a Stark, so it was a low risk lynch. What are you not getting about that? Thickheaded jackass.

if you thought cult would coe out and push a stark lynch you're too dumb to talk to..

 

l8r

 

Thanks for running your mouth... and showing us your ass.

[CTM]

  On 8/22/2011 at 2:42 PM, John McClane said:

  On 8/22/2011 at 12:19 PM, CTM said:

  On 8/22/2011 at 12:14 PM, DreadPirateRoberts said:

I don't get CTM's post either - if the Survivors pledge House Stark, and House Stark is poised to win, then all of the effort goes into an organized scum hunt. How is that not a big success?

Cause me and the rest of the survivors should've already pledged house stark... killing jifclueless wouldn't have made a difference in that decision

 

CTM's position on not wanting to hunt BOTH Cult and Lannister combined is a direct contradiction to the Starks win conditions of this game. See below, CTM is basically saying that he is no longer a survivor and that he has pledged Stark. However, he is chiding me for expressing satisfaction with nailing JIF because he was either Lannister or Cult.

 

Starks win when all Lannister House/Bannermen are dead... AND when all Cult is dead. If CTM is Stark he should want to kill both Lannister and Cult, and thus should consider JIF's lynch a success. He shouldn't be downplaying it and advocating that we only hunt cult.

 

Independent survivors actually have the more attainable win condition in all of this, all indie survivors have to do is kill all the Cult.

 

 

  Quote

There are 4 alignments and win conditions in this game:

 

1) Stark House and Bannermen

2) Lannister House and Bannermen

3) Targaryen Cult

4) Survivor.

 

The Stark House and Bannermen will win when all of the Lannister House and Bannermen, and all Cultists, are dead. The Lannister House and Bannermen will win when the Stark House and Bannermen, and all Cultists, are dead.

 

Survivors can win with either the Starks or the Lannisters, so long as they are alive at endgame. And survivors have the option of joining either the Stark or Lannister faction.

 

And if the Cult wins, everyone else loses.

No, dummy...Cult is likely more dangerous then lannisters now.. everyone saw jif's slip, multiple people saw it for what it was, rapid lynching him did little but hand the cult another free day..

 

I'm advocating letting starks/nk'ers take our lannisters and pressuring people who ARE UNKNOWN to us atm.. BooBoo exposed himself, as did crusher most likely, and you're already lining up to run a lynch a him tomorrow...

 

I think you are cult and are trying to burn as many days hunting for the crippled lannister team rather then pressuring the numerous people who have not recieved as much as a question so far.. If you are not cult, you are unwittingly helping them (which is your mo and why you are never nk'd) .. as usualy town would be better off with you 6 feet underground at this point

[Kivam]

It's been a busy night. The old scream of metal on metal, the twang of crossbows being fired, the thud of bodies hitting the ground from a great height, the shouts and screams of the dying.

 

 

Crusher (Tywin Lannister), the Lannister Paymaster, is dead.

 

But it hasn't been a great night for Starks, either.

 

 

Alys (Brandon Stark) has fallen, and she can't get up.

And another player has survived an attack

 

It's now Day 4. Any survivor who hasn't jumped to a house is now locked in as a survivor. With 19 players alive, it takes 10 to lynch