[Advanced/Experimental] Game of Thrones Mafia

[Lanthirrhos]

  On 8/17/2011 at 6:32 PM, Pac said:

Good grief.. John was NOT cult yesterday. That's not to say he wasn't converted last night - which I doubt - but I don't think there's any way he started out as natural cult. He was the first to mention a few things that are VERY similar to my role PM. As of yesterday he was a survivor... a loud, dumb, survivor.

 

Apparently you're not a survivor. Welcome to the club of people I'd vote for today. In fact lets make it official:

 

Unvote Far

 

Vote Lanthirrhos

 

So essentially, you're saying that Ape is just dumb and can't play mafia, and his play and comments hold no scumminess whatsoever? I'm sorry, but that is pretty silly. Especially eeing as you spent all day yesterday trying to kill him... and asked for the means to allow you to kill him. Squirm baby. At least you're trying to make cases now.

 

 

  On 8/17/2011 at 6:36 PM, Bleedin Green said:

  On 8/17/2011 at 6:21 PM, Lanthirrhos said:

Kiv gave us the win conditions for everyone in the game, there wasn't an SK. I believe that list was exclusive to to all other roles was it not? o why do people insist on acting like there are other roles and win conditions? Why do you even bring it up? (To Red and BG pecifically)

The reason I considered it possible is because essentially a SK in this game could really just be a survivor with a permanent NK ability, and so would fit right into the scope of the game, and not really be another win condition. They wouldn't even necessarily need to be labeled a SK per say. More than anything, I was really just trying to talk through other possibilities of NK origins, because when 3 NKs came through (all failed on top of that), it definitely struck me as strange and I just couldn't imagine the scenario playing out the way Mr. Die Hard seems to think it did. It's possible, I just find it extremely unlikely, and certainly wasn't ready to assume that's what happened.

 

I can accept this reasoning. This makes me wonder what exactly YOU thought he said, because he didn't like how I read it.

 

 

  On 8/17/2011 at 6:39 PM, John McClane said:

  On 8/17/2011 at 6:21 PM, Lanthirrhos said:

 

Bold paragraph is a possibility (if you aren't going to take John's hardline that the kills must only be from survivors, you can correct me if I'm reading that wrong, but if I'm not, it's a silly assumption).

 

 

To clarify, my stance is NOT that all the kills must only be from survivors - you are putting words in my mouth. My case on Red is that he wouldn't have speculated about why there were 3 NK attempts AT ALL if he knew the in's and out's of the survivor role.

 

Not putting words in your mouth, and if I was, that's mafia. But I asked because I wasn't properly getting your point when it came to why you are so against additional speculation on the NKs. I get that actually questioning why there were 3 NKs is silly--especially when combined with SK discussion, it implies a distinct lack of thought, seeing as there have been so many money hint in thread that even the families should have caught on. But you appeared to be attacking any alternative NK types (meaning non-survivor NKS) that were put forward. Hence my question. This kinda comes over as deflection too.

 

I'll go for Red or John today--still, even with your valiant defense pac.

[Alys Kinch]

The following post is only good through my bookmark. I am NOT caught up.

 

 

  On 8/16/2011 at 10:21 PM, the dude said:

I wish Sirayn was here. She'd tell us what to do in this mess. Then we'd all end up dead at her daintly little feet.

…

 

I'll say this McClane; you can write with proper punctuation. Kind of a lot of talking for my taste but a game needs talkers. I like talkers. They slip up easier than the quiet ones.

…

 

For the record, my own radio silence is purely a schedule thing. I miss my old job where I could pretty much hang out here all day and get paid for the pleasure. Alas, it is no more.

…

 

I've been off a long time, just knocking off some rust here.

I agree; I agree; I definitely agree. I miss hanging out with you for half the day; And your instincts were always great, so trust them.

 

  On 8/16/2011 at 10:38 PM, the dude said:

It's a fair point. But there were doubtless some useful things said somewhere along the way; it's just finding it that will be the challenge heh. And if there's not definitive info today, things that were said on Day 1 will take on a different light later, possible as early as morning time. There was a lot of unvoting going on there for a while as John (somehow) swayed folks over to his way of thinking.

Green= or JD nailed his own coffin shut…

 

  On 8/16/2011 at 10:42 PM, Pac said:

Come to think of it we've got no less than 5 people hinting at being survivors. I'd imagine a sound strategy for the CL will be to convert the likes of Mccvain, CTM, Wombat etc and have them join each faction.

Regardless of adds not being available to the QT, the outted survivors are a big target for bought votes, deaths, and CL actions. Oh, well. ANY actions. But I’d have thought that went without saying…

 

  On 8/16/2011 at 11:36 PM, BooBoo said:

So its possible that Lannister family just lynched their own without knowing it?

No, that’s EXACTLY what happened and will continue to happen to any converts.

 

  On 8/17/2011 at 12:36 AM, Lanthirrhos said:

That said, there's a lot of finger pointing at John. There were thirteen others on that lynch, aye? and there were a good few others not trying that hard to stop the lynch. So I'm thinking that the loudest finger pointers have the most to hide at this point, especially when you're making THAT big a deal on a day one lynch, ESPECIALLY when Jack brought most of it on himself.

Green.

 

  On 8/17/2011 at 12:47 AM, WWWwombat said:

Imo, we broken clocked/blind squirreled our way into lynching someone who was no longer a Survivor. Those of us on the lynch were on it for faulty reasons, but it wasn't a bad result so whatever.

Getting rid of a mess is never a bad result. You always hope you properly categorize and clean it up, but the fact that it is gone is what matters.

 

  On 8/17/2011 at 1:48 AM, Pac said:

John McClane 102

CTM 51

Jack_D 45

WWWwombat 45

Bleedin Green 41

Verbal32 32

Alys Kinch 28

Sharrow 23

Barmacral 22

Hybrid 21

Vicious89x 19

Far Dareis Mai 19

The Crusher 18

Pac 18

DPR 18

Red2111 16

Lanthirrhos 15

slats 14

JF80 12

the dude 10

Naeann 9

BooBoo 8

LilyElizabeth 5

Smash 5

Adella 3

Myndrunner 1

 

 

I understand post count is not an ideal method for locating scum, but if we're going to start Cult Leader hunting I think it's reasonable to assume they might be in red.

Relevant because? Why these numbers? Why not more focused or less restrictive? I know! Everyone gather around me in a tight circle. I’ll blind fold myself and start firing in the dark. Not ideal doesn’t even cover it.

 

  On 8/17/2011 at 2:29 AM, Pac said:

I'm in it for the laughs and everything else is gravy.

 

*grins*

  On 8/17/2011 at 2:56 AM, Barmacral said:

Naturally Pac, Kivam expects players in his games to... *gasp* think. Yes, think and figure out for themselves who is on what side.

It’s almost as bad as a No Coroner game. *shudders* ;)

 

  On 8/17/2011 at 3:28 AM, John McClane said:

My plan never said anything about bannermen being on QT boards, not sure where you got that. Pretty sure you made it up. Anyway, if you want to make a run at me on D2, then...

 

Honestly, the first stance I took in this game was to hunt cult first and foremost. You want to make a weak sauce case on me trying to push a cult agenda now? Go for it. I play a pretty transparent game, anyone with half a brain can figure out why I threw a crazy theory out there like that in night phase. For the record, I did ask the necessary questions to Kivam to test my theory, however I put it out in the game thread first to see player reactions to it. Wanted to see who would have the brains to vet it with Kivam, who would try to set up a lynch on me with it, who would look at it logically and give feedback... stuff like that... then my plan was just to ask Kivam if it would work.

Wow, I see what the JNers have been saying.

 

  On 8/17/2011 at 5:07 AM, Vicious89x said:

  On 8/17/2011 at 5:04 AM, WWWwombat said:

 

I owe you rep.

Ditto. That was great.

 

  On 8/17/2011 at 12:30 PM, Pac said:

It's the same reason chics dig House or Eric from True Blood. He's a prick but every once in awhile, or in his case every 14th post, he makes you giggle.

Chicks dig Eric from True Blood because he is yummy to look at.

 

  On 8/17/2011 at 2:00 PM, Verbal32 said:

I am really looking forward to hearing John's answer to Alys' question re: the case on me. I don't want this to get buried in arguments or chest thumping.

Good to know this case was unmade before it got made.

 

  On 8/17/2011 at 3:26 PM, Pac said:

  On 8/17/2011 at 3:12 PM, slats said:

This is textbook Lily as scum, IMHO. Showing up after the lynch to "catch up," agreeing with someone, claiming to be lost and not a good player with an excuse as to why she's not posting much...

 

vote: Lily

 

That's great but there really isn't scum per se. Unless you think you've found the Cult Leader?

My 2 cents. Someone who shows they have something to hide is worth investigating every time.

 

  On 8/17/2011 at 3:45 PM, John McClane said:

  On 8/17/2011 at 3:29 PM, Pac said:

I'm going to resist the urge to vote Mccvain for the time being but will HAPPILY circle back if he gets in the danger zone.

 

Vote Far Dareis Mai

 

I think Far looked pretty obviously like a Survivor, I'm curious why you are voting her here? Care to explain... ?

I was going to say something here, but I think the quoted WTF, that’s stupid post is enough.

 

  On 8/17/2011 at 3:53 PM, John McClane said:

You should re-read, her and I divulged information that made it sort of obvious that we were survivors while Jack botched up the details of his role, we called him out on those details. Check it out...

No one understood what you were saying. It doesn’t help your case.

 

  On 8/17/2011 at 4:07 PM, Barmacral said:

Vote: Mynd

 

He has been virtually non-existant so far this game, showing up once to make a joke vote on Alys. He could do with some pressure to at least show up and play the game.

“You got me under pressure!” Myyyyyyynd, where are you?

 

Also noting the distraction you offer. ;) You said it yourself. If you don't remember, check below.

 

  On 8/17/2011 at 4:20 PM, Red2111 said:

also, any thoughts on the fact theres 3 NK's?? 2 i could expect seeing as the Lannisters/Starks are essentially two "scum" type teams. i wonder if kiv threw a mnkey wrench in this game and added a SK just to mess with us some more.

I don’t get why this was surprising regardless of what your role pm said. There’s always an extra night kill or 4 somewhere. The first rule of mafia is that you don’t know all of the rules.

[Kivam]

VOTE COUNT

Lily (3) - Slats, Vic, CTM

McClane (3) - Red, Booboo, Smash

Red (6) - Hybrid, McClane, Barm, Wombat, Verbal, Lanth

JF80 (1) - Crusher

Lanth (1) - Pac

 

13 to lynch

[Smash]

I think there is good reason why the three kills did not go through. I also do not think it was coincidence (targeting protected players) with this many people involved in the game. Could be a built in one time protection vs your own teams friendly fire. Just throwing that out there .

[WWWwombat]

The kill blocking speculation isn't that bad to me. There are probably a lot of LanniStarks in this game.

[Pac]

  On 8/17/2011 at 6:57 PM, Lanthirrhos said:

  On 8/17/2011 at 6:32 PM, Pac said:

Good grief.. John was NOT cult yesterday. That's not to say he wasn't converted last night - which I doubt - but I don't think there's any way he started out as natural cult. He was the first to mention a few things that are VERY similar to my role PM. As of yesterday he was a survivor... a loud, dumb, survivor.

 

Apparently you're not a survivor. Welcome to the club of people I'd vote for today. In fact lets make it official:

 

Unvote Far

 

Vote Lanthirrhos

 

So essentially, you're saying that Ape is just dumb and can't play mafia, and his play and comments hold no scumminess whatsoever? I'm sorry, but that is pretty silly. Especially eeing as you spent all day yesterday trying to kill him... and asked for the means to allow you to kill him. Squirm baby. At least you're trying to make cases now.

 

 

My trying to kill him yesterday was for sport. Pig hunting if you will.

[John McClane]

  On 8/17/2011 at 6:32 PM, Pac said:

Good grief.. John was NOT cult yesterday. That's not to say he wasn't converted last night - which I doubt - but I don't think there's any way he started out as natural cult. He was the first to mention a few things that are VERY similar to my role PM. As of yesterday he was a survivor... a loud, dumb, survivor.

 

Apparently you're not a survivor. Welcome to the club of people I'd vote for today. In fact lets make it official:

 

Unvote Far

 

Vote Lanthirrhos

 

I wasn't converted last night.... which was why I pumped night phase full of crazy sauce.

[Pac]

  On 8/17/2011 at 7:03 PM, Smash said:

I think there is good reason why the three kills did not go through. I also do not think it was coincidence (targeting protected players) with this many people involved in the game. Could be a built in one time protection vs your own teams friendly fire. Just throwing that out there .

 

Welcome to the club Smash.. Which group are you rolling with?

[Smash]

  On 8/17/2011 at 7:04 PM, WWWwombat said:

The kill blocking speculation isn't that bad to me. There are probably a lot of LanniStarks in this game.

 

I think the odds would certainly favor it.

[John McClane]

  On 8/17/2011 at 6:34 PM, CTM said:

  On 8/17/2011 at 5:20 PM, John McClane said:

Questions I asked Kivam:

 

1. Do all Survivors have the same win condition scenarios?

 

2. Do all Survivors have the ability to steal, and if so, are their options the same for all the things they can buy with stolen gold?

 

 

His response was yes to both. So, its strikes me as very, very odd that BG and Red are pondering how there could have been 3 NK's.

 

Kill them both!!!!

Meh again, I was wondering the same because a) i successfully stole from your dumb ass yesterday (I'm sure half the survivors did since you post every other post) and b) I wasn't informed that my steal was succsful and that you had dick until night end.. Maybe doggin would've told me sooner, and given me a chance to buy a weapon, or maybe others started with a weapon.. but i definitly didn't come away with the feeling that I was going to be shooting anyone last night.. unless soeone sold thier vote yesterday

 

 

What were you able to take? Curious because I was also successful with my steal, and if its something I'm assuming all survivors started with, and my target had nothing for me to steal... then I may have found a non-survivor.

[Smash]

  On 8/17/2011 at 7:06 PM, Pac said:

  On 8/17/2011 at 7:03 PM, Smash said:

I think there is good reason why the three kills did not go through. I also do not think it was coincidence (targeting protected players) with this many people involved in the game. Could be a built in one time protection vs your own teams friendly fire. Just throwing that out there .

 

Welcome to the club Smash.. Which group are you rolling with?

 

Little too early for that don't you think ?

[CTM]

  On 8/17/2011 at 6:32 PM, Pac said:

Good grief.. John was NOT cult yesterday. That's not to say he wasn't converted last night - which I doubt - but I don't think there's any way he started out as natural cult. He was the first to mention a few things that are VERY similar to my role PM. As of yesterday he was a survivor... a loud, dumb, survivor.

 

Apparently you're not a survivor. Welcome to the club of people I'd vote for today. In fact lets make it official:

 

Unvote Far

 

Vote Lanthirrhos

 

Honestly, I don't know that..

 

We know that doggin gave every member a safe fake claim.. So why wouldn't he have shared the content of our PM's..

 

Ape wants to lynch yet another player for a PM slip, which is actually pretty queer and kind of outside the spirit of the game.. AND he was completely wrong when he did the same thing yesterday...

 

I don't know Red enough to say one way or the other, but the first thing that came to my mind was not to different then what she posted.. I'd assume the factions have kills and that a survivor would've been hard pressed to get a N1 kill attempt.. the fact that she didn't bring that up in her speculation could just be her liking to hold her cards close to the vest, or maybe it was a slip.. But jack supposedly made 2 slips..

 

That being said, I do find her wanting to talk about the nk's as though she's uninformed suspicious

[CTM]

  On 8/17/2011 at 7:03 PM, Smash said:

I think there is good reason why the three kills did not go through. I also do not think it was coincidence (targeting protected players) with this many people involved in the game. Could be a built in one time protection vs your own teams friendly fire. Just throwing that out there .

Oy.. another slip!! (this one's worse)

 

basing this stuff off of pm's is kind of lame..

[Pac]

why are you 2 clowns talking about steals? Why are you sharing that? Leave it alone.

[Verbal32]

  On 8/17/2011 at 7:04 PM, WWWwombat said:

The kill blocking speculation isn't that bad to me. There are probably a lot of LanniStarks in this game.

 

True. But we have to start somewhere, and cult hunting, while it would be great to kill the CL, is't going to be easy this early.

[Hybrid]

  On 8/17/2011 at 7:10 PM, CTM said:

I don't know Red enough to say one way or the other, but the first thing that came to my mind was not to different then what she posted.. I'd assume the factions have kills and that a survivor would've been hard pressed to get a N1 kill attempt.. the fact that she didn't bring that up in her speculation could just be her liking to hold her cards close to the vest, or maybe it was a slip.. But jack supposedly made 2 slips..

 

I thought of that, but she didn't bother to clarify when pressed. Even when it was made clear that she was being accused of being a non-survivor due to that speculation, she opted to fly off the handle at Die Hard McMonkey rather than address the actual points.

 

So definitely not a survivor.

[DPR]

  On 8/17/2011 at 6:49 PM, Verbal32 said:

  On 8/17/2011 at 4:46 PM, Red2111 said:

another question on the subject of there being 3 kills, i wonder what prevented them as well. theres a slew of roles that coudl be in place that could block a Kill, but thats a whole lot of good guessing imo and i don't like coinsedences

 

Yeah, I noticed this as well. You are most definitely NOT a survivor. Therefore, we should lynch you. Sorry, Red.

 

Vote: Red

 

 

 

 

 

  On 8/17/2011 at 6:10 PM, DreadPirateRoberts said:

I'm caught up now. First, Mynd and JF80 being all but absent with no mod warning is something to think about - methinks gold is already being tossed about.

 

Second, I'm still not right with the Ape/Jack/Far exhange, and Pac's vote on Far was interesting to me.

 

Hybrid, keep yer grubby paws away from me treasure. heh

 

Other than that, I see a lot of circling. Three NK attempts doesn't really surprise me, but the fact that none of them went through does.

 

Hmmmm...

 

Really? You say that after reading what just happened to Red? That is strange.....

 

Why is it strange? Take a minute to think about your answer while you and your boyfriend Hybrid ask each other if it was really a good idea to try and muck around with me. Dumbass

 

Having said that, I'll go ahead and

Vote Red

That way we can end any speculation and bullsh*t wifom case building. I was going to wait a while before voting her, just to see who might have tried to build on her wifom. But, might as well get it out of the way now.

 

 

 

 

 

[Barmacral]

Quick attempt to distance yourself from Red now DPR?

[Smash]

  On 8/17/2011 at 7:11 PM, CTM said:

  On 8/17/2011 at 7:03 PM, Smash said:

I think there is good reason why the three kills did not go through. I also do not think it was coincidence (targeting protected players) with this many people involved in the game. Could be a built in one time protection vs your own teams friendly fire. Just throwing that out there .

Oy.. another slip!! (this one's worse)

 

basing this stuff off of pm's is kind of lame..

 

Im basing nothing at all off of PM's exactly when did you attempt to steal from McClane ? Last night ?

[John McClane]

  On 8/17/2011 at 7:10 PM, CTM said:

  On 8/17/2011 at 6:32 PM, Pac said:

Good grief.. John was NOT cult yesterday. That's not to say he wasn't converted last night - which I doubt - but I don't think there's any way he started out as natural cult. He was the first to mention a few things that are VERY similar to my role PM. As of yesterday he was a survivor... a loud, dumb, survivor.

 

Apparently you're not a survivor. Welcome to the club of people I'd vote for today. In fact lets make it official:

 

Unvote Far

 

Vote Lanthirrhos

 

Honestly, I don't know that..

 

We know that doggin gave every member a safe fake claim.. So why wouldn't he have shared the content of our PM's..

 

Ape wants to lynch yet another player for a PM slip, which is actually pretty queer and kind of outside the spirit of the game.. AND he was completely wrong when he did the same thing yesterday...

 

I don't know Red enough to say one way or the other, but the first thing that came to my mind was not to different then what she posted.. I'd assume the factions have kills and that a survivor would've been hard pressed to get a N1 kill attempt.. the fact that she didn't bring that up in her speculation could just be her liking to hold her cards close to the vest, or maybe it was a slip.. But jack supposedly made 2 slips..

 

That being said, I do find her wanting to talk about the nk's as though she's uninformed suspicious

 

 

  On 8/17/2011 at 7:11 PM, CTM said:

  On 8/17/2011 at 7:03 PM, Smash said:

I think there is good reason why the three kills did not go through. I also do not think it was coincidence (targeting protected players) with this many people involved in the game. Could be a built in one time protection vs your own teams friendly fire. Just throwing that out there .

Oy.. another slip!! (this one's worse)

 

basing this stuff off of pm's is kind of lame..

 

I've put more details about the survivor role out there than anyone else, and confirmed with Doggin that conversions happen at night. So you should pretty much be able to assume I was not cult on D1, and my N1 horse crap made me the worst possible conversion target, so... I dunno Ape paranoia?

 

Anyway, what would you suggest we base our cases on exactly? The setup of this game having 4 factions, and intricate details, pretty much steers us to this...

 

So the thing you stole successfully, was it something you had already?

[DPR]

  On 8/17/2011 at 7:18 PM, Barmacral said:

Quick attempt to distance yourself from Red now DPR?

 

Yeah. I panic real easy, and hoped no one would notice. Shucks.

 

Hybrid, I hate you for posting right before me. Damn the delay.

 

 

 

[John McClane]

  On 8/17/2011 at 7:19 PM, Smash said:

 

 

Im basing nothing at all off of PM's exactly when did you attempt to steal from McClane ? Last night ?

 

Yeah, clearly... you gave ZERO reason for your vote on me, so you haven't based anything on anything as far as we know.

[Hybrid]

  On 8/17/2011 at 7:15 PM, DreadPirateRoberts said:

Why is it strange? Take a minute to think about your answer while you and your boyfriend Hybrid ask each other if it was really a good idea to try and muck around with me. Dumbass

 

I love this post.

[WWWwombat]

  On 8/17/2011 at 7:21 PM, Hybrid said:

  On 8/17/2011 at 7:15 PM, DreadPirateRoberts said:

Why is it strange? Take a minute to think about your answer while you and your boyfriend Hybrid ask each other if it was really a good idea to try and muck around with me. Dumbass

 

I love this post.

 

me2 lol

[Smash]

  On 8/17/2011 at 7:20 PM, John McClane said:

  On 8/17/2011 at 7:19 PM, Smash said:

 

 

Im basing nothing at all off of PM's exactly when did you attempt to steal from McClane ? Last night ?

 

Yeah, clearly... you gave ZERO reason for your vote on me, so you haven't based anything on anything as far as we know.

 

Oh stop your crying . Did you get a message you were robbed ?