[Advanced/Experimental] Game of Thrones Mafia

[Far Dareis Mai]

Apologies Red. When I retired from the site, he was still Dragonsworn1991. Seeing him as Jack is just weird to me, and old habits die hard. I'll try harder, though. :)

[Pac]

There is some (real or feigned) confusion about terminology. I did not intend for the terminology to become an issue in the game, so let me clear it up:

 

Factions are the teams in this game: Lannister, Stark, Cult, Survivor (each Survivor is a faction of one)

 

The Lannister and Stark factions have two components:

 

House Lannister and House Stark - composed of Lannister and Stark family members (characters from the series) who know and can talk to each other in a House QT

 

and

 

Lannister and Stark Bannermen - who win with a defined faction (the Lannisters or the Starks) but are not a part of the House QT

 

Stark Bannermen are part of the Stark Faction - but they are not a part of House Stark and do not participate in the House Stark QT

 

Lannister Bannermen are part of the Lannister Faction - but they are not a part of House Lannister and do not participate in the House Lannister QT.

 

Savvy?

 

 

Which ones are Mccvain and Psycho Jack?

[John McClane]

@John you keep pushing survivors can win when it's just them and either the Starks or Lannisters left. You neglect to mention that if a survivor doesn't chose sides and is lynched they lose without possibility of winning. I doubt people will volunteer to be lynch fodder without at least a chance of winning. And since you suggest cult hunt, the only way to do so is effectively is to lynch players. So players will chose a faction before they are lynched. O doubt there will be many survivors left past day 3. Just saying

 

Perhaps, but the Survivor role comes with its own perks, that some people may not be willing to give up.

 

Only has one, and you can buy it when you get enOugh money.

 

Wrong - though money is involved - there is absolutely more than one perk to being an independent survivor.

[Kivam]

One further note, to those of you who haven't yet figured it out: I'm more than happy to discuss game setup/mechanics if you ask me about anything your curious minds are wondering about (though not on thread). There are some questions that I'll just say Play and Find Out to, but others that I'll answer if asked (though I haven't volunteered the information on-thread or in role PMs).

 

You get as much or as little information as you seek out. Ask the right questions, and you can get quite a bit more than you have now. Whether you share that information with anyone else is, of course, up to you.

[Red2111]

its okay FDM, it was seeing you call him two different names in the same post that threw me off

[Pac]

Wrong - though money is involved - there is absolutely more than one perk to being an independent survivor.

 

Now that was a slip.

 

Unvote

 

Vote Jack

 

 

Jack you just can't get out of your own way.

[WWWwombat]

unvote

 

Vote: Jack

[Sharrow]

I bet he gave the Survivor PM to everybody so it couldn't be used outside of the spirit of the game.

[WWWwombat]

@Far, no I was meaning if you don't join a faction, you die or win alone. When you join a faction the faction you join becomes "th town" and thus as a townie yo won with te town. If your a survivor, you win by yourself and if your lynched you have no shot in winning regardless. The cult wil always be the cult an a third party, but which side you joins determines which side is scum for you.

 

@Adella, please enlighten me how we are going to sift through 26 players day 1 and find the CL, that's what's idiotic. You have no way to test for the CL and beating your chest and being the champion for an idea you can't back or put in motion is a waste of time.

 

@Alys I'm not cult. Are you?

 

Survivors do not "win alone."

[Sedai]

The only extra perk I see is a bullet proof vest.

 

Wombat, you know what I meant.

[WWWwombat]

@John you keep pushing survivors can win when it's just them and either the Starks or Lannisters left. You neglect to mention that if a survivor doesn't chose sides and is lynched they lose without possibility of winning. I doubt people will volunteer to be lynch fodder without at least a chance of winning. And since you suggest cult hunt, the only way to do so is effectively is to lynch players. So players will chose a faction before they are lynched. O doubt there will be many survivors left past day 3. Just saying

 

Perhaps, but the Survivor role comes with its own perks, that some people may not be willing to give up.

 

Only has one, and you can buy it when you get enOugh money.

 

Whoa.

[Sedai]

That you won't know if it's been used.

[WWWwombat]

The only extra perk I see is a bullet proof vest.

 

Wombat, you know what I meant.

 

"Win together or die alone" was fine with me as a strategic sentiment. "Win alone" is not fine with me as any sentiment.

[Sedai]

That you won't know if it's been used.

 

Also you all didn't pick up on my host about the past day 3 bit did you? Guess I'll be blatant with it. If housing chose sides by day 4 then you can't anymore.

[Bleedin Green]

That is the definition of a survivor... in a conventional game with 1 survivor.

 

I can appreciate the smart-ass factor here, but seriously - Jack literally said "join a faction or die alone". He's been selling himself as survivor all game, and nothing about what he has said regarding a win condition, couldn't be gleaned from the opening scene.

 

The reason I acted like I was with-holding something super-duper important was to see how far some people would stick out their necks to get at the info. Do you really not see what my intentions were there?

How could we forget every time somebody thinks an Ape play is stupid, it was really just a super-genius trap play all along?

[Kivam]

Note: I have my settings at 40 posts per page, and will try to post a vote count at least once per one of MY pages. If you have your settings at lower than 40 per page and want to see vote counts on every page, change your settings.

 

 

Vote Count - 14 to Lynch

 

John McClane (6) - BG, Jack, Vicious, Crusher, CTM, BooBoo

Alys (1) - Mynd

Booboo(1) - Nae

Jack (12) - Slats, Verbal, Barm, Alys, Smash,John McClane, Hybrid, Red, FDM, Adella, Pac, Wombat

Verb (1) - JF80

Barm (1) - the Dude

No Lynch (1) - Lanth

JF80 (1) - Lily

Smash (1) - DPR

 

Not voting:

 

Sharrow

[Sedai]

Autocorrect is lame. If you don't chose sides by the end of night 3 you can't anymore.

 

Also, Far, told you there was a difference

[The Crusher]

Jack Im all for punctuation and stuff, but no.

 

 

Monkey is ringing truer.

 

unvote,,,,vote jack

[Kivam]

Vote Count - 14 to Lynch

 

John McClane (5) - BG, Jack, Vicious, CTM, BooBoo

Alys (1) - Mynd

Booboo(1) - Nae

Jack (13) - Slats, Verbal, Barm, Alys, Smash,John McClane, Hybrid, Red, FDM, Adella, Pac, Wombat, Crusher

Verb (1) - JF80

Barm (1) - the Dude

No Lynch (1) - Lanth

JF80 (1) - Lily

Smash (1) - DPR

 

Not voting:

 

Sharrow

[Bleedin Green]

That's L-1.

[Sedai]

Even after my night 3 proof?

[Far Dareis Mai]

That you won't know if it's been used.

 

Also you all didn't pick up on my host about the past day 3 bit did you? Guess I'll be blatant with it. If housing chose sides by day 4 then you can't anymore.

 

Wut? I have no idea what you are saying here.

[slats]

I bet he gave the Survivor PM to everybody so it couldn't be used outside of the spirit of the game.

 

I'm beginning to suspect that, too. Both McApe and Jack are using that info to push themselves as survivors a little too much for my liking.

[Red2111]

jack i'm not sure if i should believe you or not. all i know is that your lynch will give us the msot info right now about other players, and also that your play style is pingign me. besides, if you are a survivor like you cliam, your goign to be a prime target after D3 for any team your not on, which will hurt the team your on; which is why i'd rather lynch you now and get a load of info.

 

as for your "proof" kiv has been rather good at answering alot of my questions, for all we know all of your answers could have come from planning this entire thing and asking the right questions to make your claim believable.

 

 

 

at this point, you and John have made the day a focus on you guys. if we don't end this today, its gonna drag on until we do and i'm already confused enough as it is.

[DPR]

i'm gonna have to side with Verb & CTM on this one John. CTM hits this issue right on the head imo

 

Jack said the survivor win condition is to choose a faction and win with them, or die alone. However, the additional win condition that I've been withholding is that a survivor can stay independent and win at endgame as long as all cultists are dead.

 

I tried to withhold in order to not give faction-aligned and cult-aligned players the additional info for false claims, and also to see which players worked hardest to get me to reveal this tid-bit of info.

 

Jack clearly was unaware of the additional win condition.

 

CTM, Verbal and Red (you) all surfaced as people that didn't "get" what I was alluding to, and wanted the info spelled out.

 

People may not like how verbose I can be, but my goal, as always, is to elicit participation that could be informative later. I'm thinking we lynch one of Jack, CTM or Verbal, if they flip faction - survivors join the opposing faction, which should give that faction an advantage.

 

I'm only up to this post in reading, but right away I have problems with this post. My first thought was that it would be easy for Kivam to give that win condition to some Survivors, and not to others - it would be an offset of an imbalance elsewhere, and he'd know that. My second thought was that this is an easy piece of infomration to confirm, and even help the Survivors with - worrying about false reveals at this point is nonsense - helping to unlock the secrets of the game is a more pro-town move, imo.

 

I'm going to read on, but I'm not liking this one bit.