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.... Survivors could represent an asset this early. Not sure I agree with your logic that they are dispensable, or your assumptions about the setup.

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This whole cult hunting thing is pretty funny for several reasons and very impractical.

 

We are in a 26 player game. Let's say all three separate factions started with 2 players. Then you've got 20 players who only care about themselves. With three factions constantly at each others throats and a group of players only caring about themselves, well you'll be hard press to identify 2 certain players as any allignment this early on.

 

The cult is only the bad guys if your part of a one of the other two factions. Just like the Starks are only enemies if you're a lannister or cult and the same applies for the lannisters.

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  On 8/16/2011 at 11:55 AM, Jack_D said:

Lanth, I'm just trying to state the obvious. If John, isn't already a member of a team he will join one. If he chooses an opposite team of the one I choose, then we will be enemies, if he is recruited by the cult we will be enemies, if he stays a survivor, I don't care one bit about him. The only way I would not be interested in lynching him or anyone else is if I ha knowledge of to the team they began as or the team they have chosen. I'm no big loss to the majority, but I'm a major loss to me if I'm lynched this game, so therefore I'm suggesting a viable lynch candidate and giving reason base on game schematics for people to vote the player I suggested. I'm using myself as a survivor because a) it's true, and b) to work out my way of thinking

Well that and he's shown an uncanny ability to complete submarine the town on his own..

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  On 8/16/2011 at 12:25 PM, John McClane said:

(continued from above, not sure what happened to last line)

 

.... Survivors could represent an asset this early. Not sure I agree with your logic that they are dispensable, or your assumptions about the setup.

 

Only to the teams.

 

If your left with a bunch of survivors then it's Every man to himself because a survivor wins when one faction has one. Multiple self interested survivors represent several solo factions and the game won't end until just two survivors are left or two factions have been eliminated completely.

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  On 8/16/2011 at 12:29 PM, Jack_D said:

This whole cult hunting thing is pretty funny for several reasons and very impractical.

 

We are in a 26 player game. Let's say all three separate factions started with 2 players. Then you've got 20 players who only care about themselves. With three factions constantly at each others throats and a group of players only caring about themselves, well you'll be hard press to identify 2 certain players as any allignment this early on.

 

The cult is only the bad guys if your part of a one of the other two factions. Just like the Starks are only enemies if you're a lannister or cult and the same applies for the lannisters.

I got the feeling the starks/lannisters were 4-5 to a side, based on doggin's post. To me lynching cult is top priority cause I freaken hate conversion games, after that, taking out a stark or a lannister would be good cause the survivors will flock to the other team and the vast majority of the game can be united in hunting cult + the opposing faction... That would make the game fairly easy though, and doggin is sure to have considered that in his setup

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  On 8/16/2011 at 12:16 PM, DreadPirateRoberts said:

The only way he is Cult is if he can't die. And, even then, there is no point to drawing this much attention to himself. This strikes me as more of a Jester role, or at least it would if he didn't do this every game. heh

 

I understand that. Which is why I said he appears to have a cult agenda, in other words he's doing their work for them - or allowing them to take a back seat. I'm pretty much at the point where I'm willing to vote Jack just to remove the bad logic and distraction. Initially I wasn't voting him because I try not to be as OMGUS here as I am on JN, so I've just defended - but with what he is pushing, I won't be bashful about putting a vote on him.

 

He's once again monopolized D1 with his histrionics.

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CTM this whole game is a conversion game. The actual cult recruits and the lannisters and Starks are like a reverse cult where players chose to join them.

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  On 8/16/2011 at 12:29 PM, Jack_D said:

This whole cult hunting thing is pretty funny for several reasons and very impractical.

 

We are in a 26 player game. Let's say all three separate factions started with 2 players. Then you've got 20 players who only care about themselves. With three factions constantly at each others throats and a group of players only caring about themselves, well you'll be hard press to identify 2 certain players as any allignment this early on.

 

The cult is only the bad guys if your part of a one of the other two factions. Just like the Starks are only enemies if you're a lannister or cult and the same applies for the lannisters.

 

You yourself stated earlier killing a survivor is fine by you because they represent a potential member of the opposite faction you might choose, since you've try to impress upon us that you are a survivor intent upon choosing a faction to roll with... cult should represent a threat to you.

 

Your assumption about the setup are flawed, and tend to contradict earlier statements... muzzle yourself.

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I have only defended John and laid out ideas for playing this game. It's not bad logic, you said it was practical but to easy and notreally playing. So which is it? If you give me a viable strategy to cult hunt then I'm game. But just saying we need to and coming at me for how I think the game

Needs to be played is getting nothing done. You've yet to say why the cult is even a threat to anyone but the two opposing factions. Your playing like you've got a faction agenda and one faction needs to be eliminated just as

Much as the cult does.

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  On 8/16/2011 at 12:38 PM, John McClane said:
  On 8/16/2011 at 12:29 PM, Jack_D said:

This whole cult hunting thing is pretty funny for several reasons and very impractical.

 

We are in a 26 player game. Let's say all three separate factions started with 2 players. Then you've got 20 players who only care about themselves. With three factions constantly at each others throats and a group of players only caring about themselves, well you'll be hard press to identify 2 certain players as any allignment this early on.

 

The cult is only the bad guys if your part of a one of the other two factions. Just like the Starks are only enemies if you're a lannister or cult and the same applies for the lannisters.

 

You yourself stated earlier killing a survivor is fine by you because they represent a potential member of the opposite faction you might choose, since you've try to impress upon us that you are a survivor intent upon choosing a faction to roll with... cult should represent a threat to you.

 

Your assumption about the setup are flawed, and tend to contradict earlier statements... muzzle yourself.

 

My assumptions aren't flawed because I asked the mod. I didn't want to play this blind and I tried to find out what I could. Yes I'm a survivor, but the cult could recruit me, like I Could join the Starks or lannisters. So the cult could be a threat or a saving grace I don't know yet.

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  On 8/16/2011 at 12:42 PM, Jack_D said:

I have only defended John and laid out ideas for playing this game. It's not bad logic, you said it was practical but to easy and notreally playing. So which is it? If you give me a viable strategy to cult hunt then I'm game. But just saying we need to and coming at me for how I think the game

Needs to be played is getting nothing done. You've yet to say why the cult is even a threat to anyone but the two opposing factions. Your playing like you've got a faction agenda and one faction needs to be eliminated just as

Much as the cult does.

 

Viable strategy for cult hunting? How about not jumping on the first bandwagon possible and over-selling that lynch train incessantly? That's a start.

 

Not sure how you could say you've only defended, when you voted me and have pushed lynching me as pretty much your only solution for D1. The rest of your drivel about the setup IS sloppy and short-sighted. You suggested a scenario earlier where it could be 2-2-2, Lann, Stark and Cult... what happens if Cult converts a Stark? What happens if we lynch a Stark right off the bat, sort of defeats the whole purpose of Doggin's setup no? You are pumping the thread full of every random thought you have about the setup, and while some of it might be onto something, its for the most part flawed... and more importantly not really helpful.

 

I'm not playing like I've got a faction agenda you tit, I'm playing like the guy you've been trying to get lynch all of D1.

 

What I think needs to happen is, you shut up... and we get the 6-7 players who haven't contributed anything more engaged in the game. As of right now, the whole game has revolved around your impatience and/or shady agenda, and its allowing other people to coast.

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Lulz you say I'm cluttering the thread yet you feel the need to respond to every post. Thus further cluttering the thread, but it's okay for you to do so.

 

I quietly voted you John, Barm asked why and I explained.

 

To go with your first option, what if your cult?

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  On 8/16/2011 at 12:36 PM, Jack_D said:

CTM this whole game is a conversion game. The actual cult recruits and the lannisters and Starks are like a reverse cult where players chose to join them.

Yes, which is why i said if we kill off a stark or lannister early, all the survivors can flock to the other side and then we hunt oppsoing faction and cult .. instead of this war

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  On 8/16/2011 at 1:15 PM, CTM said:
  On 8/16/2011 at 12:36 PM, Jack_D said:

CTM this whole game is a conversion game. The actual cult recruits and the lannisters and Starks are like a reverse cult where players chose to join them.

Yes, which is why i said if we kill off a stark or lannister early, all the survivors can flock to the other side and then we hunt oppsoing faction and cult .. instead of this war

 

That's what I was thinking.

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  On 8/16/2011 at 3:45 AM, Jack_D said:

I just like to lie in this game. It works for me, just as much as Ape mode doesnt work for you. I'm to noble to keep this up with you this game John. I've said my peace.

 

 

It works for you? You have been a detriment to the town like 3 games in a row on JN and have always played with reckless abandon tha,t just as often if not more than not, screwed your team over.

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I'm going to take crap for this, but the Ape has a point. While I'm not that worried about unknown quantities on D1, we still shouldn't allow this to degenerate into the Jack/Ape show.

 

 

  On 8/16/2011 at 12:57 AM, DreadPirateRoberts said:
  On 8/16/2011 at 12:51 AM, Verbal32 said:

@dude: you weren't the first to use Cromwell in a mafia game? Who did it first?

 

He was the first to use it in a game - he just means he didn't invent the terminology.

 

Oh, I've seen Hellsing, so I assumed he meant that somebody else did it first in a mafia game. Nevermind then, hehe.

 

 

 

  On 8/16/2011 at 3:45 AM, Jack_D said:

I just like to lie in this game. It works for me, just as much as Ape mode doesnt work for you. I'm to noble to keep this up with you this game John. I've said my peace.

 

Not really, Jack. You remember that time you confirmed a scum slats as town and he coasted to win? Or the time when your lie was so atrocious that even though you found a scum Lily, you still got lynched and nobody believed you? Just because you figure something out doesn't mean it works - you still have to convince the town....and you don't because of your antics. Really, it's the same problem the Ape has. You guys are more alike than either of you would like to admit. ;-)

 

 

 

 

  On 8/16/2011 at 12:29 PM, Jack_D said:

This whole cult hunting thing is pretty funny for several reasons and very impractical.

 

We are in a 26 player game. Let's say all three separate factions started with 2 players. Then you've got 20 players who only care about themselves. With three factions constantly at each others throats and a group of players only caring about themselves, well you'll be hard press to identify 2 certain players as any allignment this early on.

 

The cult is only the bad guys if your part of a one of the other two factions. Just like the Starks are only enemies if you're a lannister or cult and the same applies for the lannisters.

 

What? The cult are the bad guys if you are anything but cult.

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  On 8/16/2011 at 12:56 PM, John McClane said:

Viable strategy for cult hunting? How about not jumping on the first bandwagon possible and over-selling that lynch train incessantly? That's a start.

 

Not sure how you could say you've only defended, when you voted me and have pushed lynching me as pretty much your only solution for D1. The rest of your drivel about the setup IS sloppy and short-sighted. You suggested a scenario earlier where it could be 2-2-2, Lann, Stark and Cult... what happens if Cult converts a Stark? What happens if we lynch a Stark right off the bat, sort of defeats the whole purpose of Doggin's setup no? You are pumping

Concerned about ruining the setup? We're playing to win.. Besides.. Doggin clearly would've expected survivors to flock to the winning faction, I wouldn't concern you're empty head to much with it..

 

I think the ape seems to be in a faction and we should lynch him without mercy and pay attention to who defends him..

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  On 8/16/2011 at 1:13 PM, Jack_D said:

Lulz you say I'm cluttering the thread yet you feel the need to respond to every post. Thus further cluttering the thread, but it's okay for you to do so.

 

I quietly voted you John, Barm asked why and I explained.

 

To go with your first option, what if your cult?

 

You didn't quietly vote me. You voted me, then in separate posts called me a "viable lynch candidate", a statement that had nothing backing it up, and you encouraged others to vote me. Nothing quiet about that, which is why I began defending myself. Defending myself forces me to have to respond to you, much to my chagrin.

 

I should have ignored you and let you chase your tail.

 

Since you've essentially told us you are going to align yourself with either the Starks or the Lannisters, lynching you is like pre-emptively lynching a faction member. Your eagerness to reveal as a survivor also resonates as an outcry to be recruited by cult. Basically, you reek like someone trying to find their way onto a team. So, based on your theories about the "game schematics" you'd make a fine lynch candidate.

 

Unvote

Vote Jack

 

I've got to spend time on work now. I'll read along, but I won't have time to play patty-cake with teh Jacktard.

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  On 8/16/2011 at 1:26 PM, CTM said:
  On 8/16/2011 at 12:56 PM, John McClane said:

Viable strategy for cult hunting? How about not jumping on the first bandwagon possible and over-selling that lynch train incessantly? That's a start.

 

Not sure how you could say you've only defended, when you voted me and have pushed lynching me as pretty much your only solution for D1. The rest of your drivel about the setup IS sloppy and short-sighted. You suggested a scenario earlier where it could be 2-2-2, Lann, Stark and Cult... what happens if Cult converts a Stark? What happens if we lynch a Stark right off the bat, sort of defeats the whole purpose of Doggin's setup no? You are pumping

Concerned about ruining the setup? We're playing to win.. Besides.. Doggin clearly would've expected survivors to flock to the winning faction, I wouldn't concern you're empty head to much with it..

 

I think the ape seems to be in a faction and we should lynch him without mercy and pay attention to who defends him..

 

I'm not concerned with ruining the setup you scummy bastard. I ask that question as part of illustrating how short-sighted one of Jack's proposed game setups theories is. Its basically a basic question of balance and setup, that anyone should ask themselves before spewing 101 different game mechanics possibilities.

 

How did I know you'd cherry pick something from my attempts to stifle Jack and re-focus on me. Dirt bag.

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  On 8/16/2011 at 1:23 PM, Verbal32 said:

Not really, Jack. You remember that time you confirmed a scum slats as town and he coasted to win? Or the time when your lie was so atrocious that even though you found a scum Lily, you still got lynched and nobody believed you? Just because you figure something out doesn't mean it works - you still have to convince the town....and you don't because of your antics. Really, it's the same problem the Ape has. You guys are more alike than either of you would like to admit. ;-)

 

 

The only similarity between Jack and I, is that we both like to get the last word. It ends there though.

 

My view of the game is often Ape-centric, as I evaluate things based on how they happen around me. However, I don't make conscious decisions to do things that hurt the town when I am town. I stick to my cases, and am wrong at times, but that happens.

 

Jack plays a selfish game wherein he chooses to do things detrimental to the town, to fancy himself.

 

Huge difference.

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  On 8/16/2011 at 1:23 PM, Naeann said:
  On 8/16/2011 at 3:45 AM, Jack_D said:

I just like to lie in this game. It works for me, just as much as Ape mode doesnt work for you. I'm to noble to keep this up with you this game John. I've said my peace.

 

 

It works for you? You have been a detriment to the town like 3 games in a row on JN and have always played with reckless abandon tha,t just as often if not more than not, screwed your team over.

 

 

Did the same thing as scum at JN. He got out in front with a silly reveal and got lynched lickety split.

 

Nice to see you sis.

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  On 8/16/2011 at 1:39 PM, John McClane said:

The only similarity between Jack and I, is that we both like to get the last word. It ends there though.

 

My view of the game is often Ape-centric, as I evaluate things based on how they happen around me. However, I don't make conscious decisions to do things that hurt the town when I am town. I stick to my cases, and am wrong at times, but that happens.

 

Jack plays a selfish game wherein he chooses to do things detrimental to the town, to fancy himself.

 

Huge difference.

 

It really doesn't matter if it is conscious or not - the outcome is still the same, usually. You both have your moments of genius, and then your moments where we wonder how many times you guys were dropped on your head as children. But nothing in between - you two exist at one end of the spectrum or another.

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  On 8/16/2011 at 1:43 PM, Verbal32 said:

It really doesn't matter if it is conscious or not - the outcome is still the same, usually. You both have your moments of genius, and then your moments where we wonder how many times you guys were dropped on your head as children. But nothing in between - you two exist at one end of the spectrum or another.

 

Riiight. Schmuck.

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<3

 

 

Ok, back to the game. At this point, I'm cool with lynching Jack. If I was a Stark or Lannister, I'd be worried he'd flock to the other side. If I was a survivor, I'd be worried that he'd fock to the opposite side that I did. And if I was cult, I would not recruit him due to his penchant for getting his butt lynched quickly.

 

And all that is if I actually believe him....which I'm not sure I do. Therefore, my vote won't be moving unless something drastic comes along.

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