[Advanced/Experimental] Game of Thrones Mafia

[the dude]

It DEFINITELY took a long time to get my feet back under me. And now that the game's over, reading like 20 pages of posts to even be in a positioin to make informed decisions was so time-consuming that by the end I would just post anything to say I participated. Not my best performance, probably one of my worse...

[Alys Kinch]

Wombat, would you like to see DPR's craziness while I am inviting people to the private conversation we had?

[DPR]

  On 8/31/2011 at 9:30 PM, Alys Kinch said:

Wombat, would you like to see DPR's craziness while I am inviting people to the private conversation we had?

 

You should post the conversations - that way, the full enormity of my mental illness can be put into perspective.

 

That's why I haaate cult games. They make me wayyyyy paranoid. Obviously, this one will do nothing to change that.

 

It was an absolute blast to play with everyone - Alys (I've never lied to you...), dude, Far - it's been way too long. No matter what else, dude, you were a cult killing machine. The Cromwell Approval is as sharp as ever.

 

Y'all have to come over to JN where the games go on all summer long...

 

Excellent game to everyone.

 

 

 

 

[WWWwombat]

  On 8/31/2011 at 9:30 PM, Alys Kinch said:

Wombat, would you like to see DPR's craziness while I am inviting people to the private conversation we had?

 

Sure :D

[Sharrow]

Loved this game. I was killed at the perfect time too. After Slats died, my game completely unraveled. I'd like to think I would have went along with the Vic lynch before DPR saved him though, but who knows. Impressive job with the night kills at the end, btw. Really clutch shots.

 

Bad luck on Vic's part having two converts killed the night they were converted also.

[Sharrow]

Except that I never got my hands on any gold or items; that sucked. Damn Pactard hammered before I could accept a 100 gold deal or I'd have at least killed someone. I might have flipped a coin between Alys and Slats, or just killed Pac or the Ape. Probably one of the latter.

[Sharrow]

Btw, the downfall of the Lannisters in their QT is nothing short of heartbreaking.

[Hybrid]

Kivam --

 

The spreadsheet google doc requires permission to access. I just sent a request fyi.

[Kivam]

Try the link again

[Alys Kinch]

DPR, I know you did not just tell me you've never lied to me without the caveat of in this game. *pokes*

 

  On 9/1/2011 at 6:02 AM, Sharrow said:

Except that I never got my hands on any gold or items; that sucked. Damn Pactard hammered before I could accept a 100 gold deal or I'd have at least killed someone. I might have flipped a coin between Alys and Slats, or just killed Pac or the Ape. Probably one of the latter.

So I don't get why you all thought I was cult. I always voted with the Starks and I outed 2 Lannisters on a technicality.

 

  On 9/1/2011 at 2:20 PM, Kivam said:

Try the link again

Yay, it worked this time.

 

Does that really say that at some point all of House Stark except 80 was viewed or a conversion attempt by Vicious? That's hilarious.

[Alys Kinch]

DPR's craziness started like this.

 

  On 8/22/2011 at 1:49 PM, DreadPirateRoberts said:

Hey there,

 

Kivam is included on this PM, so that you know it's legit. I'm sending this to you personally to get your thoughts on what I've posted on the QT and Wombat's reaction.

 

My primary concern is the recruitment of our team - and Wombat's wanting to use the nightkill against Barms, Slats, or Mynd pinged me. He's also been playing a bit erratically for him, and I've considered mentioning it a couple of times, but then I just decided to watch him instead. He's pinged me ever since.

 

But, here is my real fear - JF80. Remember when Red said that Team Lannister only had 4 House members? She also said that they have more gold (which I asked Kiv about, and got PAFO, so I very much doubt that he told them something he wouldn't tell us.) But, what if hey really do have only 4? We have 5.

 

Game mechanics would make it diabolical for Kiv to place the Cult Master on a House Team - especially since the end game will most likely be up to the Survivors, and the real purpose of the Houses is to get the gold into the game. It would be a much better choice than just setting up the CL as a random player, imo.

 

JF80 is usually a very, very active player. This game, even when he is around, he's giving a lot of very short posts, and offering very little opinion.

 

I think it would have been a no-brianer for him to recruit Wombat, and then use the two of them to try and direct the NK, just as they did yesterday. A cult with an NK and vote as to where the gold should go has a very good chance of winning.

 

Or, I had too many martinis - which is entirely possible. heh

 

I'm not going to push this on the QT. But, I did want to throw it by you to see what you think.

 

I've also ghost posted some of these thoughts into my next to last post (it was late last night, where I started it "Some thoughts before I crash"). Drag your cursor over the entire text and you'll see my message in between the lines of my post.

 

If i die, it will most likely be because of the cult - the Lannisters don't have a NK, and chances are low that a random player would take a pot-shot at me. So, please point out my ghost post to the game, and tell BG to dump all of the gold ito the game that day (buy votes, then organize the players so that they each buy a role, and use them to form a net to find the cult.)

 

Let me know what you think, and if I'm just a paranoid freak.

  On 8/22/2011 at 3:08 PM, Alys Kinch said:

Honestly, it's you that's killing me. If anyone on our team was the CL, it would NOT be our Swordsman. There is no way it could be justified through game set up. I won't say I haven't had thoughts that someone has been messed up from early on, but it's not going to be our NKer. Chill and seriously think about that before you drive us to kill our teammates.

 

Also, if you continue to push that angle, I WILL work toward stopping the either totally paranoid out of his mind or Cult member Dread Pirate on QT and on game. Whatever is necessary.

 

I love you, but you are wrong. Try other players.

 

Also, if the point was dumping the gold, you should apologize to Wombat who wanted to dump the gold or look at yourself. You and BG are the expendable ones in that scenario. Remember, your idea.

 

Kivam, I hope this isn't wrong.

  On 8/22/2011 at 3:08 PM, Alys Kinch said:

Replying to this, I mean.

  On 8/22/2011 at 3:12 PM, Kivam said:

  On 8/22/2011 at 3:08 PM, Alys Kinch said:

Replying to this, I mean.

 

Nope, told him it was in the clear.

  On 8/22/2011 at 3:14 PM, Alys Kinch said:

I think that makes me even more paranoid, tbh.

[Alys Kinch]

This is one of my favorite parts of the exchange...

  On 8/22/2011 at 3:20 PM, DreadPirateRoberts said:

We can communicate as long as we copy Kivam, so no worries.

 

Okay, I'n not trying to trip anyone's alarms! My basic idea from the beginning (since it was obvious that the Lanissters were going down) was to get the gold into the hands of the Survivors so that they can use it to hunt the cult - but no one has really commented on that,so I dropped it.

 

And, you are right about the Swordsman - I mena to say that if Wombat were the CL, he would recruit the Sword. It was early. meh.

 

I don't understand how you intend to use Crusher, or any Lannister in the game. Please explain this to me - what good are they at all? We need to hit their paymaster, or they have a shot in this game, imo.

 

I absolutely do not want to kill our teammates - at all. It would cause a major lack of confidnece in the Starks for the rest of the game. I just feel like we should explore possibilities.

 

Last, Wombat wanted to dump the gold before it was at all clear that we were dominant over the Lannisters, which I felt like was a mistake. Now, it works, although really only if Crusher is the paymaster.

 

For the record, I see no scenario where we get the Lannister gold into the game as Wombat suggested. Correct me if I;m wrong, but that just seems pointless.

 

  On 8/22/2011 at 3:42 PM, DreadPirateRoberts said:

Bah - I can't believe you got killed. verify with Kiv, of course, but I'm completely on the level. I don't trust Wombat at all at this point though - he's either playing a very bad game for him (coming off a streak of good games) or he's cult.

  On 8/22/2011 at 3:44 PM, Alys Kinch said:

I was just going to say screw you... :P

  On 8/22/2011 at 3:47 PM, DreadPirateRoberts said:

You have to be kiddig - I'd have kept you in as a Lannister just to get to play with you again! meh

 

  On 8/22/2011 at 3:50 PM, Alys Kinch said:

Your backhanded over zealousness got my scumdar. I figured you did it once you knew I wouldn't allow you to persuade me to your side. I think it's kind of funny though. Find whoever did it and kill them. Do not get yourself turned. Don't let it be a disaster. Hopefully, I stayed neutral enough all game. I suspect that's why they suspected me.

  On 8/22/2011 at 3:59 PM, DreadPirateRoberts said:

I'll get them - I really think my plan will work, but I 've got to reveal today to do it. I wish BG would weigh in - if he's been turned, then I have no choice.

  On 8/22/2011 at 4:31 PM, Alys Kinch said:

I can't say what I want to say. I suspect you may be... well, read my previous posts...

 

Then I got the mod all clear- ie a choice. Be the only confirmed player on my team and help to quell the Dread Psychotic Roberts, ;) or go to the dead thread and learn it all.

[Alys Kinch]

  On 8/22/2011 at 6:57 PM, Alys Kinch said:

  On 8/22/2011 at 3:20 PM, DreadPirateRoberts said:

We can communicate as long as we copy Kivam, so no worries.

 

Okay, I'n not trying to trip anyone's alarms! My basic idea from the beginning (since it was obvious that the Lanissters were going down) was to get the gold into the hands of the Survivors so that they can use it to hunt the cult - but no one has really commented on that,so I dropped it.

 

You tripped just about every alarm I have on you. I am leery of you since you've bit me in the ass a time or 3. I know the gold was a big deal, and I won't down play that, but you have to realize that Kivam does do bastard things just to screw with us. Don't over play it.

 

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And, you are right about the Swordsman - I mena to say that if Wombat were the CL, he would recruit the Sword. It was early. meh.

Watch out. Sounds like back pedaling. I don't think anyone on the team is the leader, but if Wombat was an early recruit, yes, he'd try to take out the sword master first. ... or you. Dissension.

 

You came off much more as trying to steer us than Wombat did. You listed and backed up and worried. He just said here is what I think as if it was to be taken for granted that he was on the level.

 

Now, I do agree we need to work more together than we have, more thoughts and all, but again, don't shoot yourself in the foot to spite your face.

 

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I don't understand how you intend to use Crusher, or any Lannister in the game. Please explain this to me - what good are they at all? We need to hit their paymaster, or they have a shot in this game, imo.

moot point now, but I was worried about a further, hidden member. ninja the win by laying the final guy low until it's too late. We even wanted to do that ourselves. Back up pay master, btw. We have one, they don't.... yet.

 

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I absolutely do not want to kill our teammates - at all. It would cause a major lack of confidnece in the Starks for the rest of the game. I just feel like we should explore possibilities.

 

I think it's a mod wifom, at this point. The demoralization of a team tearing itself up from within for no reason...

 

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Last, Wombat wanted to dump the gold before it was at all clear that we were dominant over the Lannisters, which I felt like was a mistake. Now, it works, although really only if Crusher is the paymaster.

 

For the record, I see no scenario where we get the Lannister gold into the game as Wombat suggested. Correct me if I;m wrong, but that just seems pointless.

Moot again. unless... We could have brought crusher out by buying votes randomly and placing them on him by non stark aligned greedy bastards or something similar. Nevertheless, I don't see how wombat wanting to dump the gold before we were clearly leading is a problem. Regardless of when it was dumped, there was never a point where it would not do it's job- the same job. Run their cash down, invest in the survivors having cash to purchase weapons and other items.

 

Without the paymaster, I think offering gold for votes still does that. It could also be used to sew some WTFs through the crowd. We should let everyone know if we can that votes can be bought by anyone with gold. I don't THINK that's been up in thread.

 

  On 8/22/2011 at 7:19 PM, DreadPirateRoberts said:

Sent Today, 02:57 PM

 

DreadPirateRoberts, on 22 August 2011 - 11:20 AM, said:

 

We can communicate as long as we copy Kivam, so no worries.

 

Okay, I'n not trying to trip anyone's alarms! My basic idea from the beginning (since it was obvious that the Lanissters were going down) was to get the gold into the hands of the Survivors so that they can use it to hunt the cult - but no one has really commented on that,so I dropped it.

 

You tripped just about every alarm I have on you. I am leery of you since you've bit me in the ass a time or 3. I know the gold was a big deal, and I won't down play that, but you have to realize that Kivam does do bastard things just to screw with us. Don't over play it.Sorry. And, I't tell you, it's been a long, long time since I didn't trip everyone's freakin radar. I'm in a terrible lynch slump right now (being a year or so...) becaue if I ever lay out a plan, people just assume I'm trying to steer and up goes the rope. And I know Kivs is devious. That's why I get paranoid in his games. Well, that, and it's exactly what I would do as mod.

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And, you are right about the Swordsman - I mena to say that if Wombat were the CL, he would recruit the Sword. It was early. meh.Watch out. Sounds like back pedaling. I don't think anyone on the team is the leader, but if Wombat was an early recruit, yes, he'd try to take out the sword master first. ... or you. Dissension.

 

You came off much more as trying to steer us than Wombat did. You listed and backed up and worried. He just said here is what I think as if it was to be taken for granted that he was on the level.

 

Now, I do agree we need to work more together than we have, more thoughts and all, but again, don't shoot yourself in the foot to spite your face.

No spite here - It's why I ask instead of launching into action.

 

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I don't understand how you intend to use Crusher, or any Lannister in the game. Please explain this to me - what good are they at all? We need to hit their paymaster, or they have a shot in this game, imo.moot point now, but I was worried about a further, hidden member. ninja the win by laying the final guy low until it's too late. We even wanted to do that ourselves. Back up pay master, btw. We have one, they don't.... yet.

Lanth was their backup paymaster - they're done and their gols is gone. It's a big part of the reason I wanted to hit Crush, and why I didn't get why others did not want to. We are dominant now.

 

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I absolutely do not want to kill our teammates - at all. It would cause a major lack of confidnece in the Starks for the rest of the game. I just feel like we should explore possibilities.

 

I think it's a mod wifom, at this point. The demoralization of a team tearing itself up from within for no reason...

I agree, but that's why I've kept pointing out that we need to take measures to protect ourselves. meh

 

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Last, Wombat wanted to dump the gold before it was at all clear that we were dominant over the Lannisters, which I felt like was a mistake. Now, it works, although really only if Crusher is the paymaster.

 

For the record, I see no scenario where we get the Lannister gold into the game as Wombat suggested. Correct me if I;m wrong, but that just seems pointless.

Moot again. unless... We could have brought crusher out by buying votes randomly and placing them on him by non stark aligned greedy bastards or something similar. Nevertheless, I don't see how wombat wanting to dump the gold before we were clearly leading is a problem. Regardless of when it was dumped, there was never a point where it would not do it's job- the same job. Run their cash down, invest in the survivors having cash to purchase weapons and other items.

 

Without the paymaster, I think offering gold for votes still does that. It could also be used to sew some WTFs through the crowd. We should let everyone know if we can that votes can be bought by anyone with gold. I don't THINK that's been up in thread.

And it needs to be - folks need to know that the cult can buy votes. I'm just a bit leery of mentioning it myself because I've already stuck my neck out too far. The initial reasoning was that if the Lannisters had not played so badly, gold would have determined the ultimate outcome. It's why I wanted to bleed them, and keep our money. I only advocated spending when it became clear that we were going to take out their NK - that was worth it. Wombat keeps doing the opposite of what i would do, and he's a smaaaart player, so it bugs me. He's not one to make a lot of mistakes.

Slats, btw, is also a very good player. He's got a great memory and can twist logic almost as well as Kivam, but he can also lie like Loki. He's always one to keep an eye on.

  On 8/22/2011 at 7:58 PM, Alys Kinch said:

I must have missed lanth's role.

 

I want to remind you of a bit of wisdom I have often had to rely on as a parent and a wife. Different does not make it wrong. I don't think that Wombat has done anything "wrong" just yet. He sees another side of the coin at the moment. I don't think we need competing personalities and it's never bad to have the other perspective. Take it fwiw and use it to further what you are seeing.

 

The only protection measures you can have will ultimately only hurt the team. You have to help each other- trust *shudders*- to further everyone. We are an isolated qt, we can work together. Keep some things silent, but! In the end, the suspicion not shared may be the one to kill us.

 

I know that placing a spy in from day one would be VERY tempting, but I also see that causing unnecessary paranoia would be potentially equally as self destructive while being more game balance fair.

 

*pokes* ... you did fail to address that snagging the paymaster would be equally as destructive as snagging the swordmaster for a recruit.

  On 8/22/2011 at 8:08 PM, DreadPirateRoberts said:

We already talked about how devastating losing control over the Paymaster or the Sword would be! Plus, at some point back there, i think you got Wombat and BG mixed up, BG is our backup paymaster.

 

Now, to meditate upon trust. *closes eyes and chants*

 

Yeah, that's going to be real hard for me. And you know why? Becuase i know that people like me are out there! You see? Now I meta myself...*sighs*

[Alys Kinch]

  On 8/22/2011 at 8:17 PM, Alys Kinch said:

Lol, I think you are so tired of dying that you've just gotten trigger happy. *grins* It'll work out unless we start getting demolished out there. We are in a great place. And hopefully, with them pulling alignments on all of you, they will decide that my death means that someone else isn't a Stark.

  On 8/26/2011 at 12:03 AM, DreadPirateRoberts said:

Welp, Wombat has just kind of stopped playing. You make anything of that? 80 is a no-show for everythgin but the NK's, and those aren't going that great.

 

I don't believe dude's claim ay all - if he could kill, it would only make sense that the Lannisters had a killer as well, and I'd be dead, so I'm guessing he's cult.

 

What do you make of all this? I am admittedly lost right now, but I do get the sense that the trap is going to spring soon.

 

If there are 4 cult left, and they live, we'll lose the game after tomorrow's lynch or Night actions. Do you have any sense about what is happening?

  On 8/26/2011 at 12:51 AM, DreadPirateRoberts said:

So, here's my dilemma - my plan to get a Survivor to act as an Assassin for Team Stark never got any traction - no one really commented on it. And that's fine, but now, Wombat and 80 are nowhere to be found, and if we let another day go by, that plan will no longer matter.

 

I really wish that the team could have hashed it out.

 

As is stands, I'm guessing that the cult has as many players as House Stark, and the Lannisters have 2 or 3 - which explains the deadlock that the game is in.

 

I don't like where we're at.

 

1. Do you think that it's possibel that the cult can still recruit?

2. Do yoiu think that they could recruit House members?

 

and, what do you think of this:

 

It's possible for me to have Kivam make an offer to a player, unbeknownst to the team. As it stands, FDM or Vic would be my best guesses for non-cult Survivors. I could send either or both of them 1,000 gold, and then send messages through the thread for them to buy weapons to kill eveybody, and then tomorrow night, do just that. Kill everybody, but me.

 

I'd be the last person standing. The Starks would win.

 

There are a lot of fine points that would have to be worked out quickly - and a lot would depend on Vic and FDM being on the level. It's a huge risk.

 

What do you think of all of this>

  On 8/26/2011 at 1:28 AM, Alys Kinch said:

Ok, so you say you don't believe the dude? remember yesterday or the day before, irl, he and someone else were talking about how nks worked? he said something about bannermen having a killing role. so in the least, there is the possibility that he is telling the truth because he put info into the thread already.

 

now, he has further ability, so i might try the gold gambit with him. give him a gold offer that he must turn down because he claims a role, not a buying ability. proof of the role and proof that he's on the level. buy time for him, but he'll probably die tonight. in the mean time, maybe he can pull a shot off before he dies, know what i am saying?

 

also, now that he's taken the time to post and be real, i think we may be able to trust him. that was more the dude than any other post. trust has gotten my ass beat before though.

 

i don't like that we are getting slaughtered. i feel that the ape's list got around, you know? we took out the lannisters too quickly and now we are the killing ground.

 

give the rest of the team a little time. please don't try to solo this. you can suss it out, just take some time and play cunning. you are in such a hurry.

 

80 can beat a lynch, right?

 

i don't trust either of your trusted candidates at this time. I will register my complaints again, but you are the one out there, so you are the one with the choice. i would alter the offer to kill 3 instead of all. take them a batch at a time. let the dude act and you have another. see what you see instead of arming a potential cultist with enough ammo to kill everyone. you do the other and i will never let you live it down that i called your bluff early in this game. not that i lived to do anything about it...

 

I don't know if i think the cult can still recruit. i thought it likely, but i don't know.

 

i still don't think they can recruit in the houses because of the wifom a potential recruit creates being enough to possibly ruin a team without actually having to make it so. i really think it's more balanced while being more bastard... depending on the trust level of the team.

 

i still don't like far's mo change. it bugs the hell out of me.

 

i say someone, can't be me, no time, needs to read through all the votes and and ape's posts. find the flimsy votes and find any wifom ape created. anything that could go either way and target the hell out of it.

[Alys Kinch]

There has to be a quicker way to do this... Don't have enough invites to just invite everyone.

 

 

  On 8/26/2011 at 1:33 AM, Alys Kinch said:

Very much feeling a shot at ctm.

 

also feeling that if anyone was converted, they may have to take a day or so to catch up on qt. ala ape's absence... possibly some others...

 

  On 8/26/2011 at 1:56 AM, DreadPirateRoberts said:

Alright, I'll stay put.

  On 8/26/2011 at 2:14 AM, DreadPirateRoberts said:

One more thing - i get the feeling that you are playing this by looking at me as a threat that you need to mitigate.

 

Please try to look at it as if I were legit, and going for a Stark win. I'm trying to come up with scenarios in which we can use the resources that we have, but I feel like the window to do so is closing.

 

If you have any other ideas, throw them my way!

 

I think that 80 popping in after you posted is creepy. He's watching, but not playing?

  On 8/26/2011 at 4:15 PM, Alys Kinch said:

To be fair, that was 15 minutes later.

 

Honestly, I am trusting you more than I feel I should. But I am also looking at this in a way that puts the entire team in a better position. Seriously, more caution because if you choose the wrong trigger finger, you are screwing yourself and that player wins.

 

I am not saying don't use the plan. I am saying use the plan in increments. Such as to the player who gets x gold, if you kill me the player with x gold will have plenty of back up to take your scummy ass out or some such statement on thread. we don't have a back up paymaster, but you get the drift on making a back up plan that potentially covers each scenario. Hopefully you won't choose 2 scum or out and out survivors who would screw everyone.

 

also, what do you think about using the dude to vet himself in the way i suggested?

  On 8/26/2011 at 4:31 PM, DreadPirateRoberts said:

Asking the dude to kill someone is fine. The problem is, he's only got one shot, so he'll have to depend on that person already having had their vest knocked off. Hybrid made the right post about Smash/Vic/dude logic surrounding Ape's kill.

 

Which brings up an interesting point: Verbal was a Survivor and had a vest - how did JF80 kill him with one shot? Someone else might have shot at him on another night, but it could be something else to. JF80 wanted to kill Sharrow and Verbal. Then he says to vote Barm, but throws his vote on Vic.

 

Best case scenario, he's erratic. Worst case scenario, he's been converted and knows who to kill. If he is cult, and we've not NK'd cult yet - then he knows who the cult players are, and who we are, so his "barrel" to shoot into is pretty small.

 

I also asked Kivam if he can NK me. Kivam said yes. I can't buy his vote, but he can NK me, so there is a dynamic at work here that we're not aware off.

 

Now, Wombat - are you seeing him signal on thread? He posted the graphic last night making fun of our "confusion" over who to NK. I thought that was very strange. Then he announces today that he'll be gone next weekend? Then he quotes his own post with dates? And Krak makes a rare appearance to answer him??

 

I really, really need you to NOT splash this on the QT - Let's piece it together first.

 

I also need you to seriously look at the possibility that you can trust me. Really, I still have the gold - If I was converted, i would have already spread it out by now so that the cult could buy votes and win.

 

You gotta see some of this stuff...tell me you do.

[Alys Kinch]

  On 8/26/2011 at 7:20 PM, Alys Kinch said:

  On 8/26/2011 at 4:31 PM, DreadPirateRoberts said:

Asking the dude to kill someone is fine. The problem is, he's only got one shot, so he'll have to depend on that person already having had their vest knocked off. Hybrid made the right post about Smash/Vic/dude logic surrounding Ape's kill.

I know the dude only gets one kill. I get that, and that he would be likely to die tonight. Unsure what you mean about Hybrid's post. A little hectic today to go back and find it.

 

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Which brings up an interesting point: Verbal was a Survivor and had a vest - how did JF80 kill him with one shot? Someone else might have shot at him on another night, but it could be something else to. JF80 wanted to kill Sharrow and Verbal. Then he says to vote Barm, but throws his vote on Vic.

Look, there were a lot of misses. There were a lot of multiple hits, IMO (very, very dead, Kivam?). Chances are that with Verbal pinging so many people, he would have been hit. Plus he's big game for any DMer. I do not doubt that a DMer is in the cult.

 

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Best case scenario, he's erratic. Worst case scenario, he's been converted and knows who to kill. If he is cult, and we've not NK'd cult yet - then he knows who the cult players are, and who we are, so his "barrel" to shoot into is pretty small.

And here, I still think (and you can make fun of me all you want) that the house can't be recruited because it's the perfect mod WIFOM. It also adds a challenge level to the Cult recruit- and there is pretty much always a challenge there. Besides, if you have one house with a member of the cult in it, the other house pretty much has to have one too or you blow the whole balance of the game. I get that it's experimental, but I trust Kivam to have a balance.

 

The best thing that I could come up with in that scenario, either way, would be to have one player on both houses who is a cult infiltrator. And we'd never get that info out of either of the houses.

 

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I also asked Kivam if he can NK me. Kivam said yes. I can't buy his vote, but he can NK me, so there is a dynamic at work here that we're not aware off.

You can't buy his vote because we are of the same house- there is no reason. I don't think you could have bought any of our votes- Kivam, please clarify.

 

He can kill you because his job is to kill. You shouldn't need to be protected. If any player on the team had a perma NK protection, then I'd be more inclined to believe that there was a recruitment probability.

 

While we are at it, Kivam, will you clarify that if our bannermen kill one of our own, they both die? Is the same true for the Lannisters?

 

I honestly believe that you are letting your imagination get away with you. Occam's razor...

 

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Now, Wombat - are you seeing him signal on thread? He posted the graphic last night making fun of our "confusion" over who to NK. I thought that was very strange. Then he announces today that he'll be gone next weekend? Then he quotes his own post with dates? And Krak makes a rare appearance to answer him??

 

He quoted his own post because he left out the dates. A weekend vs the whole week... Check his content. The same post is in 3 different mafia threads.

 

And I thought the pic was to work on his Lannisterish appearance...

 

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I really, really need you to NOT splash this on the QT - Let's piece it together first.

playing nice...

 

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I also need you to seriously look at the possibility that you can trust me. Really, I still have the gold - If I was converted, i would have already spread it out by now so that the cult could buy votes and win.

 

You gotta see some of this stuff...tell me you do.

 

I am talking to you as if I do trust you. I am telling you my reservations based off of what is said, not who is saying it. When your youness gets in the way, I've said that too. I really do hope that you wouldn't get your kicks trying to trick a girl into your bed postmortem. ;)

 

Sometimes your conspiracies are over the top. Sometimes Occam doesn't apply to mafia. Find a middle ground. <3

  On 8/26/2011 at 7:39 PM, DreadPirateRoberts said:

Alright, middle ground found: check the QT and let me know if you agree with the plan.

 

  On 8/29/2011 at 2:36 PM, Alys Kinch said:

What are you waiting for now???

  On 8/29/2011 at 2:46 PM, DreadPirateRoberts said:

I'm waiting on offers to be accepted or declined.

 

Again, I have doubts about Wombat, so I'm not telegraphing my moves on the QT. However, I'm not moving against our team at all, and I hope to preserve our numbers as much as possible.

 

As it stands, there are only 4 players that are claiming to be Survivors, and they are the only ones that buy killing roles.

 

I've sent offers to Sakaea, Vic, Far, & CTM.

 

So far, Sakaea and CTM have accepted with no hesitation. I'm guessing that they are legit (based on the fact that if they are Survivors, we are their best chance at a win, and if they are lying, all they can do with the money is try to buy votes).

 

I need to see whn Vic logged in last to know what he's up to.

 

Far is bluffing, and she'll die, but I ain't going to tell her that until just before night. I'm guessing her and Barm are in cahoots.

 

I'm going to call for a Krak lynch, then I'll give instructions to dude to hit the same player we are going to (Far).

 

I'm off to check Vic's activity now.

 

  On 8/29/2011 at 3:28 PM, Alys Kinch said:

Far is lying about receiving 2 offers? Can you be sure it was her and not one of those that accepted or someone who had already had money from somewhere else? Is that what made you change your mind about trusting her?

 

  On 8/29/2011 at 4:14 PM, DreadPirateRoberts said:

Making the offers was part 1 of trying to vet folks - so I was ready for people to accept if they were ready to follow instructions on how to use the gold. Anyone that couldn't buy weapons was going to have to figure out how to get out of accepting the offer - but because I've been posting everythign on the thread, there is no way to lie (that I know of).

 

So, even if someone else did offer to buy her vote (which is doubtful because we know that the Lannister gold is gone) she would know enough to not fool around with other offers, and she would have made it plain that she needed to know which one was ours.

 

She's not doing that - so I'm guessing we got one.

  On 8/29/2011 at 4:19 PM, Alys Kinch said:

You don't think her posting it in thread was a way to say, "let me get the offers straight?"

 

For those of you who thought that might never happen, yes, it just did. I defended FDM. :D

[Alys Kinch]

Well, sort of. :P

 

  On 8/29/2011 at 4:20 PM, Alys Kinch said:

I don't trust her, but I think before jumping the gun, we need to question more. Questions leave wiggle room, but can prevent mistakes. CTM already pretty much figured you out...

  On 8/29/2011 at 4:27 PM, DreadPirateRoberts said:

Actually, the plan is intentionally easy to figure out - and if CTM picked up on it, my bet is that Far did too.

 

The fact that she does not know that the Lannister gold is gone is the only reason she would try to come up with a reason to not take the money. If she were really confused, she would say "I have multiple offers, and I don't know who they are from. I'll turn them both down, and you send me another on that could only come from you."

 

She's smart - which is why I think she is cult.

 

Having said that, what questions would you ask. I'm happy to to get as many answers and info as we can. It's be great if the rest of our team wanted to play as well :p

  On 8/29/2011 at 4:29 PM, DreadPirateRoberts said:

Hey, also, I had to launch the vote on Krakl because Kivam asked me to get the game moving and I asked for consideration for the situation. I'd rather know where Vic stands, but we can't really wait for him to show up and he hasn't been on either board for a bit.

  On 8/29/2011 at 4:42 PM, Alys Kinch said:

I asked a question in the qt to show participation... we still need to keep people somewhat in the loop. I don't feel comfortable dropping that altogether.

 

Ask her about the money for 2 reasons. Gauge the reaction. You get an indication of who wants who dead after she flips which ever way she flips. ;) I do think she's smart, but I hate saying that someone would do X when I can't be sure what all they think they know because what they think they know may make them do Y. I would NOT up my offer to her.

  On 8/29/2011 at 4:52 PM, Alys Kinch said:

Also, encourage everyone to talk out the lynches to keep gauging reactions. This should help you to decide where to go next if people play ball. Since you are going to try to run the board...

  On 8/29/2011 at 4:57 PM, DreadPirateRoberts said:

As far as running the board goes, do you see another option? I'm serious - I looked at a bunch of potentialities, and they all ended with us losing. It's either act, or lose, imo. Also, I'm getting baaaad vibes from Wombat. Bad juju. I don't want to seem unreasonable, and I'm doing everything I can for a Stark win. meh.

  On 8/29/2011 at 5:03 PM, Alys Kinch said:

What are you going to do about him? Kill him saying you thought he was converted? When he flips Stark, you lose your sway. You would basically have to kill literally everyone in the game to prove that it is one of team Stark. There are only 3 Starks left...

  On 8/29/2011 at 5:25 PM, DreadPirateRoberts said:

Here's the thing - we'll kill off our top suspects first, then get into the Survivor's, claimed Bannermen, and finally, if the game is still going, our own team.

 

The everybody-dead-in-one-shot would have been my best plan for a sure win, but there was no way to vet any of the survivors.

 

So, we'll just move carefully. Out of 12 players, we can be reasonably sure that around 7 are Lannister/Cult (unless we got lucky and some Lannisters got recruited). That leaves our team, and 2 possible Stark-leaning-Bannermen or Survivors.

[Alys Kinch]

And the end is in sight.

  On 8/29/2011 at 7:09 PM, Alys Kinch said:

All I can say is be careful.

 

  On 8/29/2011 at 7:12 PM, Alys Kinch said:

I think CTM is full of crap.

 

  On 8/29/2011 at 7:22 PM, DreadPirateRoberts said:

Well, we just nailed Barm, which goes further to vet my theory that only Survivors can use weapons to kill.

 

CTM accepted 200 gold, so we'll see. He can't hurt us with it, and we have plenty more to buy votes with. heh

  On 8/29/2011 at 8:31 PM, Alys Kinch said:

Who has accepted, who has challenged, who has denied?

  On 8/30/2011 at 2:42 PM, Alys Kinch said:

Did you really think Barm hit wombat or were you redirecting? Did you order the hit? WHo else did you order killed?

 

  On 8/30/2011 at 2:57 PM, DreadPirateRoberts said:

Nope - I was only able to direct dude. Barm totally killed Wombat to try and take out the Paymaster (which is why I didn't mind taking the lead for the Starks and watching Wombat's activity drop off.). I'll bet a dollar that CTM is the last Lannister, and is just hoping for a miracle.

 

There's always an off chance that a Survivor kept a sword and took a pot shot, but I doubt it.

 

  On 8/30/2011 at 3:16 PM, Alys Kinch said:

We got two Lannisters yesterday. I thought there were only 2 more at most. Or was that the number using Red's statements?

 

Anyway, I was thinking that CTM was cult...

 

The directions from yesterday will be used tonight, right?

 

Are you still worried about JF80?

  On 8/30/2011 at 3:27 PM, DreadPirateRoberts said:

As long as JF80 is not cult, we'll win tomorrow.

 

If he is, we'll most likely lose. I'm really hoping that he's not, but it does worry me that he was so easy to convince to holster. We'll know soon enough.

  On 8/30/2011 at 7:11 PM, Alys Kinch said:

Please do not try to kill JF80. I am trying to get you two to work together. I think we need to enter into a clean space discussion with the 3 of us.

  On 8/30/2011 at 7:49 PM, DreadPirateRoberts said:

No problem - that was never the plan. Everythign I've done is pro-Stark.

  On 8/30/2011 at 7:50 PM, Alys Kinch said:

Starting a new conversation with us, Kivam and BG- if he'll participate.

 

What gets me is that in among all of the craziness, DPR hit some very key points that I missed. I am glad he listened and didn't break the game when he wanted to though. <3

[Far Dareis Mai]

Awww, for a hot second I was like, "AWWW! I love her!" The next I was..."Oh...must have been a brief lapse in the lines between reality and my dreams..".

 

Its interesting to see all that was going on behind the scenes. I'm jealous that I didn't have anyone to talk to but Kivam (and he doesn't count cause he was too busy), but I enjoyed the challenge of being a Survivor without choosing a Faction.

 

The crazy thing is that Barm's offer came in before yours. So I'm really glad that I got busy with other stuff before I responded, because then DPR's offer was in my box.

 

Here is rampant stupidity when being offered money for the first time in the game:

  On 8/26/2011 at 6:47 PM, Kivam said:

You selling?

  On 8/26/2011 at 8:47 PM, Far Dareis Mai said:

selling what?

 

Buh....

  On 8/26/2011 at 9:19 PM, Kivam said:

Your vote. You've been offered 155 gold for your vote today

 

Then I get:

You've been offered 200 gold for your vote.

  On 8/28/2011 at 1:07 PM, Kivam said:

Are you selling?

  On 8/28/2011 at 9:38 PM, Far Dareis Mai said:

Hey, I'm here. Let me think a minute, I just got home.

Think...think...think...

  On 8/28/2011 at 9:42 PM, Far Dareis Mai said:

Was the offer from the same person who offered me the 155?

  On 8/29/2011 at 1:22 AM, Far Dareis Mai said:

  On 8/29/2011 at 12:36 AM, Kivam said:

  On 8/28/2011 at 10:56 PM, Far Dareis Mai said:

Am I allowed to attempt to guess who is offering me the money by asking questions?

 

No. You can only counter offer.

 

(I mean, you can guess, but I will only pass money numbers back and forth)

 

I'm not ignoring you, I'm trying to find out who was offered 155 previously to see who the hell is buying my damn vote.

 

I remembered someone else being offered 155 before, and so I spent a hour wasting my life away before finally just posting the amounts I was offered on the thread.

[Alys Kinch]

Lol, I was trying to give you the benefit of the doubt, but that day 1 vote kept killing me. You never do that! Then my paranoia of the pirate and his paranoia. :D

[Far Dareis Mai]

I know I never do that, and I was surprised myself, but I'm glad I did it, because it made day 1 much more interesting for me than it usually is. :)

[DPR]

Yep, it was very crafty of Barm to make that offer. I expected more folks to try and do that at the end as well, and that's part of what I was trying to avoid by moving quickly.

[Barmacral]

I actually sent in the offer just before Far and Kivam disappeared for the weekend, so there was a few day gap in there between our offers I think, but with the timing, they appeared to arrive close to each other.

 

And yes, the vote was going to go in Vic and not Krak. I did not want Krak dead, but you had me between a rock and a hard place.

 

And I was going to send the vote buying offer in several days earlier to slats, when his vote was on somebody else, and then try and sell both for a big chunk of change, but then he changed his vote and I had to bail on the offer really fast before Kiv saw my PM and could send it to him.

[DPR]

I wish we had a way to make notes using the forum - how cool would it be to see the play by play for the schemes that everyone was working.

[Alys Kinch]

My favorite qt moment was seeing Kivam explain what Rule 14 meant.