[Advanced] Hollywood 1940s Mafia - Game Over

[Hybrid]

Killing a beloved character early is the best move. Also at night our finder and any other investigative role will also get a chance for another investigation. Ish I'm not calling for character reveals or role reveals. I'm calling for an effective strategy that won't bite us in the end.

 

Wombat how can you say it's the same thing losing that role later as it is earlier. No matter how you slice it a beloved character is an anti town role played by a pro town player. The beloved dies later in the game the better for the mafia. The earlier is the better for the town.

 

I strongly disagree with this plan.

 

Yes, in certain end game situations, a Beloved Princess could prove to be anti-town, and lose us the game. That being said:

 

By lynching the Beloved deliberately, we lose a critical Day phase. And while the Finder gets another chance for an investigation, the scum also gets another chance to kill the Finder. I think the cons of this plan outweigh the pros.

[WWWwombat]

If there is a Beloved, which I'm inclined to think there is, and they want to reveal, I bet the doc would protect them at night. So it's not automatically setting them up to be killed. And according to the mafia wiki I looked it up on, the whole skipping-day-phase thing only happens when they are lynched, not NK'd.

 

Yes, but if the beloved is protected, then the power roles aren't. According to mafiascum (http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Beloved_Princess), the only skipping day phase on lynch thing is a variant, so we shouldn't count on it.

 

 

Killing a beloved character early is the best move. Also at night our finder and any other investigative role will also get a chance for another investigation. Ish I'm not calling for character reveals or role reveals. I'm calling for an effective strategy that won't bite us in the end.

 

Wombat how can you say it's the same thing losing that role later as it is earlier. No matter how you slice it a beloved character is an anti town role played by a pro town player. The beloved dies later in the game the better for the mafia. The earlier is the better for the town.

 

I'm not saying it's the same thing losing it later, I'm saying it's better not to lose a beloved role at all. To that end, the longer we keep the beloved character alive, the better. Losing a beloved role early in the game doesn't seem as bad as losing one late, but it is. Making an out in the first inning is almost always just as bad as making an out in the ninth inning; it's just the ninth inning out seems more critical because the game is almost over. We have a limited number of town deaths that we can absorb regardless of when they occur.

 

I won Jeran's Seanchan mafia as a beloved princess that survived to endgame. It was a close-run thing and had I been lynched early in the game we would have lost. Discounting the possibility that the Beloved Princess could survive and trying to cut our losses before we know if we've lost anything is loser's move.

[John E. Kelley]

And while I agree with Wom's take on it, I'm coming at it from a different angle. We are already one townie down after Day 1 after some of us (and I admit, I was pretty vocal pushing it) called on a Red lynch. We're already at a disadvantage with Team Scum knowing who's who, to try to get another townie ousted on Day 2 would just be adding insult to injury imho. Now I will admit, I haven't followed the link to read up on the beloved role yet (but that's happening right now), but it just seems to follow logic that the more of us there are at all times, the better for Team Town. This may change my strategy after I read that wiki link, but that's just my two cents for right now.

[Sedai]

Meh I think it's a good strategy. You don't. Meh. Anything you've said hasn't changed my oppinion. Difference in play styles. I think it's the best play going into day 2

[John E. Kelley]

After checking out the link, it seems to me that it all comes down to whether the variant is in play or not. Do we lose the Day phase for a lynch only or for any beloved death? That to me would be the deciding factor in whether it's a good call or not. Until we know for sure, I'm just sticking with keeping the role around. But Jack, I think you're spot on your scenario.

[Sedai]

And while I agree with Wom's take on it, I'm coming at it from a different angle. We are already one townie down after Day 1 after some of us (and I admit, I was pretty vocal pushing it) called on a Red lynch. We're already at a disadvantage with Team Scum knowing who's who, to try to get another townie ousted on Day 2 would just be adding insult to injury imho. Now I will admit, I haven't followed the link to read up on the beloved role yet (but that's happening right now), but it just seems to follow logic that the more of us there are at all times, the better for Team Town. This may change my strategy after I read that wiki link, but that's just my two cents for right now.

 

You being a new player is the only reason I'm not screaming about this post. It's a common fact that a townie is going down day 1 sometimes it diesnt work like that but 11 out of 12 games it is. Then the mafia kill a townie, and we are down 2. Day 2 is most likely a miss lynch also and night 2 we lose another townie. Day 3 is when things really set in.

 

That post you made seems to be saying oh no a townie died. It seems put on

[Sedai]

Also how is it a crucial day phase?

 

And a finder stands a four times greater chance of finding scum. The. Scum stand of killing the finder

[Vambram]

I predicted and gave the reasons why I believed that Red is Town, and thus I said that she will flip town. Now, by using odd reasoning, I am getting FOS by a couple of others simply because I did not join in on the lynch against a Town, and because I stated that Red will flip town. Well, I was right. She was Town. She did not act scummy to me. Instead, the ones whom seem to be scummy to me are those who posted most often in favor of a Red lynching.

[Lessa Nikia]

Just so people know, I'm still here I'll be doing a reread later and will give my thoughts.

[amegakure]

Yah im here to but thoughts seem stuck on this beloved instead of the game

[Hybrid]

I predicted and gave the reasons why I believed that Red is Town, and thus I said that she will flip town. Now, by using odd reasoning, I am getting FOS by a couple of others simply because I did not join in on the lynch against a Town, and because I stated that Red will flip town. Well, I was right. She was Town. She did not act scummy to me. Instead, the ones whom seem to be scummy to me are those who posted most often in favor of a Red lynching.

 

Really?

 

Because here are your posts during the Red argument, starting with the most recent (I spoilerized them to avoid bloating):

 

 

 

Unlike those whom voted to lynch Red, I wasn't convinced that she is mafia. She will flip town after the lynch, which is unfortunate, but as we know in mafia games, is usually the case for a Day 1 lynching that the person lynched is Town.

 

That is a long time to wait for a lynch. Well, lets see, is there anyone out there besides Red that people think might be a good candidate for a lynching? Anyone else out there whom are setting off y'alls scum detectors? To be honest, I have been getting very few pings on my own personal scum detector.

 

Red is scum. I'm 90% sure of it. She is making straw man arguments.

 

unvote

Vote: Alanna

 

 

Wombat, why did you say Red then vote Alanna? Did you mean to vote Red?

 

 

My bad.

 

unvote

Vote: Amadine

 

 

(Note: the weird image nonsense is due to the spoiler tags not being able to handle smilies.)

 

 

 

 

Not once do you give a reason for stating that Red will flip town.

[Hybrid]

Also how is it a crucial day phase?

 

And a finder stands a four times greater chance of finding scum. The. Scum stand of killing the finder

 

IMO, every day phase is crucial. The town's greatest power is the power of the lynch.

[Vambram]

Apparently, Hybrid, you might have had trouble understanding what I posted.

I said that I was not convinced that Red was scummy, and that she was Mafia. It turns out that I was right. Now, it appears that you just might possibly have a problem with that.

My question to you is .... Why?

[John E. Kelley]

He wasn't questioning whether or not you said she was scummy, he was stating that you never said "why" you thought she wasn't. If it's that she just wasn't pinging you, well and good. But you stated that you gave your reasons which we just haven't seen yet.

[Hybrid]

He wasn't questioning whether or not you said she was scummy, he was stating that you never said "why" you thought she wasn't.

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This.

[Vambram]

I believed what she posted, and I did not feel like she was being over defensive. Unlike those whom were posting heavily to get Red lynch, I did not see anything that she posted to be scummy to me.

[Lessa Nikia]

Amega-saying that you're going to OMGUS someone and then don't, why even bring it up?

 

The whole inactive vs. lurking discussion dragged on. We get that it, people don't like either. Some people who don't have alot of time and have responsiblities for the site do that instead of mafia. Myself included.

 

Those are my thoughts for now. I'm going white water rafting later

[amegakure]

uh what are talking bout omgus vote. I havent said that in awhile?

 

and whats your point.

[keyholder21]

Vam - You are giving reasoning now, but earlier you said that you already had given a reasoning and you hadn't (at least according to the posts Hybrid quoted). THAT's the issue.

 

Amega-saying that you're going to OMGUS someone and then don't, why even bring it up?

 

The whole inactive vs. lurking discussion dragged on. We get that it, people don't like either. Some people who don't have alot of time and have responsiblities for the site do that instead of mafia. Myself included.

 

What the heck Lessa lol? We haven't talked about this in game since July 27, and you've posted since then. Where did this come from?

[Vambram]

Vam - You are giving reasoning now, but earlier you said that you already had given a reasoning and you hadn't (at least according to the posts Hybrid quoted). THAT's the issue.

 

 

 

What the heck Lessa lol? We haven't talked about this in game since July 27, and you've posted since then. Where did this come from?

 

 

 

Actually, I believe that all I am doing is giving details and explaining what I had thought I have previously implied in my posts concerning Red. I had previously given my reasoning, and thus I did not vote for Red. The explanation of those reasoning's were implied at that time, but by now I have gone beyond mere implication and instead I have already gone into detail for those to see whom previously did not see it in my implied reasoning.

 

 

[amegakure]

Vam - You are giving reasoning now, but earlier you said that you already had given a reasoning and you hadn't (at least according to the posts Hybrid quoted). THAT's the issue.

 

 

 

What the heck Lessa lol? We haven't talked about this in game since July 27, and you've posted since then. Where did this come from?

 

 

 

Actually, I believe that all I am doing is giving details and explaining what I had thought I have previously implied in my posts concerning Red. I had previously given my reasoning, and thus I did not vote for Red. The explanation of those reasoning's were implied at that time, but by now I have gone beyond mere implication and instead I have already gone into detail for those to see whom previously did not see it in my implied reasoning.

 

 

 

 

 

 

were did you imply it? and why would you waste your time imply things instead of just telling us. oh wait you said you did, so instead of making a bunch of fluff lets see were you gave you reasoning

[Vambram]

Forget it. I am not going to waste my time any more trying to prove to people why I felt like I was right in believing that Red was Town.

She was lynched by those whom are trying to question me and trying to get a scummy reaction from me. Well, I did not vote for her. I did not vote a lynch for anyone, because I did not have a strong enough feel as to whom is Town, and whom is Mafia.

However, now that has begun to start to change.

[Amadine]

Just letting you all know i am here reading, but i have nothing to add at the moment.

[Christine]

Wasn't she Lynched already?

[Christine]

When is the deadline?!