[BASIC] Star Wars Mafia GAME OVER!!!

[Nolder]

whoa kate

you read my mind lol

[Nolder]

Jack you of all people know mass reveals ruin games they only help the scum IMO

 

VOTE JACK

 

That said i am The Medical Robot - Town - Healer.

 

 

This is pinging hard on the radar. Nolder seems the prime candidate for lynching, but Ama turns the vote/attention away from him and then claims to be the Doctor/Healer. I would have thought that in a mass reveal, the Doc would have kept their role a secret (as protection from the night phase), especially considering that the Town has already lost the Cop and Vigilante. I see this as possibly protecting someone who could be mafia and then trying to protect oneself from being called out for it.

 

Vote Amadine

 

 

And, what's a Miller? First the Vigilante, now a "Miller"... I thought this was a basic game. I guess I understand the mod throwing a wrench in, but the mafia basic wiki lists no such role. *is slightly confused*

http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Miller

long story short it's a townie that is shown as guilty to cops when investigated

 

also looking at your vote it seems we don't actually have similar reasoning

our votes just happen to be on the same person

I can see where you'd think Amadine might be trying to shift focus away from me but if that were the case then why would I be voting her right now

granted it protects me if she's lynched but if we're both mafia why would I want that outside of a bus (which imo there would be no need for in this situation)

[Nolder]

ehhh taking that thought further I guess we can assume I'm a mafia power role in that instance (roleblocker maybe to counter vig?) but it still seems terribly odd and could easily backfire

I'm not a big fan of risky plays like that

when I'm mafia I prefer to play it safe (Jack might remember I stopped posting in the vampire game when the heat was on me, better to say nothing than to sound guilty and be questioned)

 

also sorry if it seems like I post too much guys

I often type/post as I think so usually I'll make a post and then think of something else I want to say right after that

[Amadine]

I'm not fake claiming. I am the Healer.

 

I'm a little miffed that you think i could not fake claim better than that if i chose to, which i wouldn't.

[bhskeeper11]

Hmm...that seems a confusing role. Doesn't seem like there is any advantage to it. With the cop gone, why would one claim to be a Miller?

 

I can see where you'd think Amadine might be trying to shift focus away from me but if that were the case then why would I be voting her right now

granted it protects me if she's lynched but if we're both mafia why would I want that outside of a bus (which imo there would be no need for in this situation)

 

I stand by my reasoning for now. The fact that you voted for her doesn't mean it wasn't orchestrated. You say it yourself: "granted it protects me."

 

And, I don't understand that last bit... "if we're both mafia why would I want that outside of a bus." Outside of a bus?

[Nolder]

I'm not fake claiming. I am the Healer.

 

I'm a little miffed that you think i could not fake claim better than that if i chose to, which i wouldn't.

better?

sorry I think you're mistaken

I personally thought it was very clever

 

however you do have to admit that "one of these things is not like the others"

 

you are not claiming a main character and that makes you stand out

[Amadine]

*shrugs* I don't lie in mafia - if i state something outright then it's true. But you will learn that in time, playing in games with me.

[Nolder]

Hmm...that seems a confusing role. Doesn't seem like there is any advantage to it. With the cop gone, why would one claim to be a Miller?

well none really

Millers are used as a "counter" to cop

much like the traditional godfather role (they return an innocent result to cops even though they're mafia)

 

I definitely didn't want to claim it before because a cop would have investigated me and/or it would have just been called WIFOM

I didn't even want to claim it now but I was kind of forced to

 

I can see where you'd think Amadine might be trying to shift focus away from me but if that were the case then why would I be voting her right now

granted it protects me if she's lynched but if we're both mafia why would I want that outside of a bus (which imo there would be no need for in this situation)

 

I stand by my reasoning for now. The fact that you voted for her doesn't mean it wasn't orchestrated. You say it yourself: "granted it protects me."

 

And, I don't understand that last bit... "if we're both mafia why would I want that outside of a bus." Outside of a bus?

http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Bus

 

it means two mafia distancing each other

 

and yeah it would protect me for a day I guess but again it would be kind of pointless unless I was a mafia power role

and bussing can always go either way which is why it doesn't make sense

if it backfired I'd die and then mafia would be down their (probably only) power role

 

it's not the kind of risky play I like to engage in

if I was a mafia PR I'd rather just keep my head down

 

but then you don't really know me so there's no reason you should take my word for it

and regardless you're voting for the person I think is scum so that's fine with me

if you want to argue that I'm mafia too and that it was a bus whatever but let's deal with that tomorrow (assuming we do in fact end up lynching ama)

[bhskeeper11]

This all feels way too suspicious and planned.

 

From what that link says, if there is a Miller and no cop, there is absolutely no reason for the Miller to declare being a Miller. We already know that our cop is gone, so there is no chance that someone would have "investigated" you. The only reason someone would declare Miller is for a mafia member to keep from getting lynched when the cop investigates you... claiming to be a Miller for no reason seems fishy.

 

Unvote.

 

Vote Nolder.

[Nolder]

*shrugs* I don't lie in mafia - if i state something outright then it's true. But you will learn that in time, playing in games with me.

how can you play mafia and not lie?

it...kind of ruins the game when you do that

because then people can just ask you at the beginning of the game if you're mafia or not and then you're either lynched or are a confirmed townie

either way you'd be breaking the game

kind of unfair...

 

that's assuming you're telling the truth right now anyway

has anyone played with Amadine enough to remember a game which she lied in?

[Millon]

Morning all! :D How was your weekends? Mine was left lacking sorely.

 

Anyway, Ama, you are scum and you leaped onto an opportunity to role claim with this reveal. I am Lando Calrisien. I don't like calling out a character reveal either. For that reason I was originally going to go for Jack. When we go for Ama I would like to hear a re-reasoning of why he would call it out. This is a basic mafia game. Of course characters are going to represent there roles. Too, it was foolish. Scum lie. It's what scum is supposed to do. If two claimed the same character who would you try to claim is scum and town? It is a foolish waste of time.

[Nolder]

This all feels way too suspicious and planned.

 

From what that link says, if there is a Miller and no cop, there is absolutely no reason for the Miller to declare being a Miller. We already know that our cop is gone, so there is no chance that someone would have "investigated" you. The only reason someone would declare Miller is for a mafia member to keep from getting lynched when the cop investigates you... claiming to be a Miller for no reason seems fishy.

 

Unvote.

 

Vote Nolder.

but there was a reason

I was forced to claim =/

 

since we were massclaiming someone implied it was scummy that I hadn't claimed yet

so I had to claim my character (Darth Vader)

if I didn't also reveal that I'm a Miller can you honestly say everyone wouldn't have just lynched me right away?

one claim goes hand in hand with the other

 

it wasn't my idea to claim

remember that

[Nolder]

@millon: I totally didn't understand what you were trying to say but I think you were agreeing with me so...yeah

cool

[Amadine]

I generally avoid statements like that as town or mafia - i love this game and i do not go out of my way to ruin it, it's just the way i play. I will only go for the hard straight line when i am under threat. If asked outright i generally do not answer the question - regardless of alignment, i have never been accused of playing unfairly before *shrugs*

 

 

I figured there was no point in hiding the fact that i'm the Healer as there is no important roles left to protect anyway. The cop and the vig are gone already which in theory should leave only vanillas other than myself.

[bhskeeper11]

Does the fact that you are Darth Vader make you mafia? It could just be because this is my first game, but why would the mod make the all the "good guys" good and the "bad guys" bad. I find your assumption of that (as your reasoning for claiming to be a Miller) to be faulty. I am no Star Wars guru, though I have seen the films, and I thought Boba Fett was "bad." Yet, here, Boba Fett was aligned with the Town.

 

I know it wasn't your idea to claim, but your hesitation to do so is suspicious. You and Ama have now both tried to turn attention on Jack for starting the mass claiming. That, too, is very suspicious.

 

Thus, you and Ama are both top of my list for being mafia.

[Nolder]

there may be no more important roles left to protect but you could have used your power to protect the strongest/most pro town player

now that the mafia knows about you (assuming you're real) they'll be ready for the wifom and might go for easier kills

you might have prevented at least one kill if you'd guessed right

now I doubt you will help anymore than the next player

 

but again I think it was a rolefish

the mafia are not only up two townies but they were both power roles

the mafia are feeling confident and will want to go for the trifecta and fish out the last remaining real threat to them, the doctor

if no one counterclaims Ama is "clear", if someone counterclaims maybe they're lynched or maybe Ama will be lynched but either way the threat to the mafia will be identified and dealt with

and if there IS a roleblocker (as I suspect there might be) then doc wont even be able to protect themselves (which is something I still find very weird about DM, I'm used to doctors not being able to self protect) and the mafia will kill them easily

 

if there is doctor among the people who have not yet claimed I suggest you don't countclaim Amadine

it's not worth outing yourself just to get her killed

I'm confident everyone will see the rolefish for what it was and we'll take care of it without you revealing yourself

[Amadine]

I actually think that you should be looking at Jack and Millon.

 

Millon's reaction stating that i am scum should arouse suspicion in you all once i flip town.

 

Jack is a master of fake claims - anytime he willingly reveals out of the blue with no provocation sets off alarm bells.

 

Kate i am fairly certain is town, but you should look at Nolder for scum as well, Darth as a townie is strange and a Miller claim to boot.

[Amadine]

This is a basic game, by rights there should not be a roleblocker in the game.

[Nolder]

Does the fact that you are Darth Vader make you mafia? It could just be because this is my first game, but why would the mod make the all the "good guys" good and the "bad guys" bad. I find your assumption of that (as your reasoning for claiming to be a Miller) to be faulty. I am no Star Wars guru, though I have seen the films, and I thought Boba Fett was "bad." Yet, here, Boba Fett was aligned with the Town.

 

I know it wasn't your idea to claim, but your hesitation to do so is suspicious. You and Ama have now both tried to turn attention on Jack for starting the mass claiming. That, too, is very suspicious.

 

Thus, you and Ama are both top of my list for being mafia.

I said more or less the same thing when I revealed Kate

 

before ya'll bandwagon and drop a hammer on me consider this

have I been playing like mafia?

look past these claims, anyone can fake a claim

look at people's behavior

 

also a smart mod will throw wrenches into the game to stop a massclaim from having an effect

otherwise we could all just claim and kill the "bad guys"

notice that Boba Fett was a townie

in the movies he's aligned with the empire until his death

but even if you want to claim he's really just a mercenary/bounty hunter and was actually just temporarily working for Jabba that would still imply a third party

and yet he won with town

 

don't lynch me just because I was honest please that's all I ask

judge me on what I've done not my rolename

 

also I didn't turn attention on Jack

that was Ama

I mean I still think massclaiming was really pointless and didn't help anyone but the mafia

but I didn't vote Jack for it

[bhskeeper11]

Kate i am fairly certain is town, but you should look at Nolder for scum as well, Darth as a townie is strange and a Miller claim to boot.

 

Are you saying I should look to Nolder? That is who my vote is currently on for being mafia.

 

I don't understand why Darth being a townie is strange, though... unless that really is how you guys play it here. Do the mods normally align "characters" like that -- bad is bad and good is good?

[Nolder]

This is a basic game, by rights there should not be a roleblocker in the game.

is there some list of roles that are and aren't in basic games?

you guys seem to have this idea of what is and isn't ok

to my understanding any well known and commonly used role can be in a basic game

 

what can't be in a basic game is alterations on those roles

 

but maybe I misunderstood

 

roleblocker is the most common mafia power role

it's often the only power role they have aside from much more complicated roles like a bus driver which I doubt will make an appearance in this game

[Amadine]

Sorry Kate, i didn't mean you as in you personally - but you as in a general way to all the townies.

[Amadine]

Nolder from here: http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/56481-welcome-to-dm-mafia/

 

A Basic game will contain standard mafia roles (i.e. Finder/Cop, Healer/Doc, Masons, Vig, SK). There are no recruiting roles or complex roles used, and the mafia/town ratio will be consistent with guides found on the mafiascum site linked above (usually ~25% mafia/scum).

[Sedai]

So Millon, how do you know AMA is lying? I am not for sure about your character, never heard of them. Are you claiming doc also? That'd be the only way to know Ama is lying. And then we lynch one of you to prove the other. I tend to believe AMA.

 

Still waiting to hear from Adella.

 

Top suspects

Nolder - Darth Vadar

Millon - can't remember who HR said

Adella - claimed no one

 

Possible fake claims

 

Amadine - medical robot (players all have names, yours is the only one without one. Makes my eyebrows raise)

[bhskeeper11]

Does the fact that you are Darth Vader make you mafia? It could just be because this is my first game, but why would the mod make the all the "good guys" good and the "bad guys" bad. I find your assumption of that (as your reasoning for claiming to be a Miller) to be faulty. I am no Star Wars guru, though I have seen the films, and I thought Boba Fett was "bad." Yet, here, Boba Fett was aligned with the Town.

 

I know it wasn't your idea to claim, but your hesitation to do so is suspicious. You and Ama have now both tried to turn attention on Jack for starting the mass claiming. That, too, is very suspicious.

 

Thus, you and Ama are both top of my list for being mafia.

I said more or less the same thing when I revealed Kate

 

You said it, but apparently were still nervous enough to claim to be a Miller. My logic is that because Boba Fett was "bad" (of course, I could be wrong about that) yet was aligned with the Town, then you should have felt no reason to bolster your Darth Vader claim.

 

 

also I didn't turn attention on Jack

that was Ama

I mean I still think massclaiming was really pointless and didn't help anyone but the mafia

but I didn't vote Jack for it

 

it wasn't my idea to claim

remember that

 

You did not come out and say Jack's name, but that statement right there is a reference to him starting the mass claiming. It was more subtle than what Ama did, but I still consider that trying to turn attention back towards him.