[Advanced] Monty Python and the Holy Grail Mafia (Game Over)

[Krakalakachkn]

Night will now end at 4pm

[Alanna]

Okay, I'm in the middle of my reread, just begun Day 2. I'll make a more comprehensive post in a minute. For now, I wanted to note some things down so I don't get lost.

 

Jack: So the intial suspicion on him Day 1 seems to stem from his eagerness to get Day 1 over with. I can't say I blame him; the quotefest was annoying. I generally don't like Day 1, however, Day 1 is important; Jack seemed to think it's not. While I don't agree with him entirely, I think this was pretty much an innocent comment that people jumped on.

 

Charis: Suspicion on her came from her response to Jack; Jack felt she was trying to be too townie-like. While her comment about being "afraid" of night did seem a little overdramatic, considering this is just a game, I didn't find this scummy either.

 

Moon: I think most of her scummy comments must be on Day 2, because she didn't say much at all Day 1, to be honest. I'm doing a full casing on her though, so more later.

 

Min: Initial suspicion on her came from voting Wombat for not seeing the movie, then unvoting. This case was mostly made by Red. Overall, I don't see anything scummy there either. However, it looks like there's more going on with finding her suspicion Day 2, so again, more on that later.

[Red2111]

*Red yawns and starts to nod off, the fire making her nice and warm inside her suit of armor*

 

 

  On 6/28/2011 at 3:54 PM, Alanna said:

It's odd that you took this statement so personally, Red. For one thing, you seem to have misunderstood me; I said 'She's rubbing me the wrong way too, but I think it's just her PR.' Meaning that I don't find you scummy because of your PR, yet you've responded here as if I've said I do. You know me better than that, Red, how stupid would it be to find someone scummy just because you think their PR is annoying? I'm starting to get what Min meant about you twisting people's words. I don't think you do it because you're scummy; I don't think you're scum, in fact. But this isn't the first game I've seen you do this, either.

 

Secondly, I said your PR is annoying, not you, and when I said it, I said it assuming that it is a real PR; I don't really see reason to think otherwise, at this point. So please don't take it so personally. At this point I'm cursing whoever gave you the PR, be it the mod or someone else, not you. It's just weird you got so offended over it.

 

Thirdly, geez, it was a joking statement. You can't even have fun in a mafia game around here anymore.

 

 

then i read that wrong Alanna. as for why i reacted like that; 1/2 of day 2 Jack spent trying to turn the entire focus on whether or not i might ormight not have a PR. this in turn cost us a controlled lynch. i reacted so strongly because i didn't want him or anyone else to start that up again come Day this way we can focus back on scum hunting rather than something that's triial and so back ground.

 

so it wasn't that i was twisting your words Alanna, it was how i percieved the intentions of what you said.

 

 

 

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Maybe you missed the part where I said I'm totally lost and need to do a reread; I wouldn't be surprised, since you're tunneling right now. Let me say it again: I'm lost and need to do a reread, though at this point, I'm considering just asking to be replaced. I've been lost in this game since the ridiculous Day 1 quotefest, which, not having seen much of the movie, was a ridiculous waste of time in the game to me (I don't expect any sympathy with that, though, since you all seem to think it a crime not to have seen this movie ).

 

I didn't want to make excuses, but I was also dealing with some personal things over the past few days, so I was just barely keeping up with the thread. I'm trying to get back into it now, and finding it extremely difficult because of this going on between you and Jack. I don't know that I think either of you are scum, but I do think neither of you are helping the town by tunneling on each other. I'm not the only one to have said it, either, yet, still you're both doing it. I keep waiting for one of you to be the mature one and say, "You know what, you're right, let's move on from this.' Maybe it's because you're so convinced each other are scum, but acting this way is about it is not convincing anyone. It's just making me want to ignore the both of you more and more.

 

 

no i heard you and the others who said "i need to do a re-read" but i also keep in mind that Scum will also use that as a cover so they don't have to participate in the discussion. it doesn't make me suspect you more, but it also doesn't give you any lee-way in my book either.

 

the reason why i bring up your lack of comment about the Jack/Charis interaction is because it was goiing on at the same time Jack was hounding me; so i find it odd that you comment on one while ignoring the other tbh.

 

 

and to the underlined point i hve basically said this a few pages back; and stopped responding to him since Saturday for the most part. yet he has so far refused to let go of some bone he thinks he has. i did the same when Charis and myself were going back & forth Night 1-Day 2 as well. as for saying "your right" to Jack, i can't because he is wrong. i'm not scum and i refuse to lie just to get him to stop digging himself a hole. i explained a few pages back that i wasn't goign to go round with him becuase it's playing into his attempt at distracting the town and i have yet to go round with him. in fact, if you go back and look over the last pages, all this "back & forth" has been mostly Jack QUOTING what i say to other people and giving some times snide remarks so it appears there is a back & forth and to try and get me to respond to him; which for now i continue to refuse to do.

[Alanna]

I meant saying 'you're right' to me, not Jack About this back-and-forth being distracting and unhelpful to the town.

[Sakaea]

  On 6/28/2011 at 4:43 PM, Krakalakachkn said:

Night will now end at 4pm

 

 

PST, CST, MTN, or EST?

[Red2111]

*Red's eyes close and her chin falls onto her chest and she starts to snore, very loudly. Her helmet falls over with a loud clank and she doesn't even stir.*

 

  On 6/28/2011 at 4:48 PM, Alanna said:

I meant saying 'you're right' to me, not Jack About this back-and-forth being distracting and unhelpful to the town.

 

but i did do this Alanna. back when it was still Day and multiple times since then

 

 

here was the first, during Day 2

 

  On 6/24/2011 at 12:37 AM, Red2111 said:

  On 6/23/2011 at 9:09 PM, Jack_D said:

Honestly I'm not trying to case her. I just want an answer so she can't back track later is all.

 

 

Sir i'd hand you a shovel, but you seem to big digging rather fine on your own. this is the third and last time i'll state it. whether i might or might not have a PR is of no bearing to hus finding scum. i will not or cannot clarify if this is a PR, myself being fun in my role or a character claim.

 

if your scum, congrads on drawing alot more attention to yourself, if your town then stop doing the scums work for them by focusing on somethinng that isn't impairing us finding scum.

 

 

i said it again near the end of Day 2, which is one of the last back & forths done between me and him btw, that wasn't a result of him quoting what i said to other people and responding.

 

 

  On 6/24/2011 at 4:48 PM, Red2111 said:

Jack - you have been focusing on me sicne post #364, and sicne then you';ve only been talk ing about that. people, including myself, have told you it's not productive to finding scum today, seems like your distracting away from us pressuring Moon (who isn't posting) and Min (who IS posting).

 

how exactly is focusing on PR's productive to lynching scum? how is it productive twoards getting a majority lynch instead of a random one? people are telling you, this is scummy and distracting from our goal of lynching a scum; how is being distracting to finding scum productive for the town?

 

if your town, then drop it until a more proper time; if your scum then by all means push harder and make our job easier

 

Your focus since Day Break has been on the NK then switched to PR's and if i may or may not have one. Both of these focuses are not productive to finding any scum today (which is the aim of the Day Cycle) and are looked at as distractions for the most part during day. all the NK really tells us right now is that theres a good chance theres only one kiling faction; theres no info in analyzing why they picked JLM, she was both Big game and a Lurker, and theres multiple reasons why scum woudl target both of those categories.

 

 

and here is my last and finally response to him during Day 2. with my vote i had offically marked him off as scum and foudn no need to play his little game of distraction.

 

  On 6/25/2011 at 12:30 AM, Red2111 said:

and with those last posts UNVOTE VOTE JACK

 

Jack you reeek of sympiness. give your reactions to people and you appear to be distracting. i can't see scum coming out like this to help a team mate, but thats a symp's job; to distract a lynch away from a scum member.

 

your lynch will also give us lots of info too.

 

 

come the start of Night 2, i posted this first

 

 

  On 6/27/2011 at 12:31 PM, Red2111 said:

as to Jack; i'm offically ignoring him now. his posts show me nothing to change my mind about him, and this is the reason why i haven't and wont answer him for the remainder of the game. Dude take a chill pill; your taking a game way to seriously, throwing a tantrum becuase the majority feels your being scummy and near degrading yourself to slinging personal insults. not to mention, if you are scumm, which i'm convinced you are through your own actions, cotninuing to tlak with you is giving you what you want. a distraction from finding true scum. yeah you may have an alignment of innocnet Jack, but i think your role is a Symp; becuasae you literally stink of it.

 

this is Mafia, you need a thick skin to play this game and to not go all emo meltdown just because you cna't sway the majority to your way of thinking. we've all been in your situation at one point in time as both scum and town. so just chill out with the near personal attacks. attacking a persons play style or pointing out what you think is scummy is one thing; but some of the stuff you've said a few pages back is what is making me ignore you.

 

 

as you can see, i clearly stated multiple times what your accusing me of not having stated Alanna.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

also, on my dig through to find these quotes, leelou stuck out

 

  On 6/26/2011 at 9:09 AM, leelou said:

Ok, I really cannot make heads or tails of this game. I've been trying really. I think lynching Jack will end up in an innocent lynch.

 

I'm just going purely on gut here and voting for Red.

 

 

  On 6/26/2011 at 6:09 PM, leelou said:

For a controlled lynch instead of random with no info, unvote Red, vote Jack

 

 

the original vote on my was a few hours from the deadline. jack was the vote leader and i had 2 votes on me at the time. trying to space out the votes much Leelou? then she comes backa nd votes Jack, after Krak issued an extension to hammer Jack. Krak took back the extension later of course.

 

 

i find this odd both because of her later reasons for voting Jack and the timing of the votes.

[Alanna]

That's part of my point - you've said it multiple times, that you're dropping it and ignoring him. So, now, stop repeating it and actually do it.

[Leelou]

I'm on a train right now. I'll say it again, I had asked to be replaced there is no one so I'm trying to make some sense of this game. I honestly don't care right now if I get lynched or nk'd and I hate to say that. I love mafia and this looks like an awesome game Krak set up. Unfortunately, this game is annoying me to no end. My gut yesterday was saying to lynch you mainly because the back and forth crap, which you keep bringing up, was too much. But then by the time I came back deadline passed a few minutes before and Jack was L-1 and Krak posted that there was an extension, so in our best interest, I tried to prevent a random.

[Sedai]

Red I'm willing to let this go. Stop making snide remarks towards me. Your doing it agin tat talking at me and not to MeV if you'd talk to me we could gotten things sorted out.

 

Again you've never addressed me or any of my questions. You keep saying I'm scum or a symp because I keep asking you for answers, answers you refuse to give. You keep pretending your taking the high ground but you do the same things over and over again. If your PR or the lack there of was so trivial why not answer about it and kill the confusion? Easy because you wanted it out there.

 

You acused me slinging insults and said I was slinging insults and degrading myself by doing so. When you've been so condescending in this argument it isn't even funny. Not once did you come forward with evidence against me. Only about me wanting to know if you had a PR. That's what my whole train four scummy about me. Wanting one question answered. Red you won't have to worry about answering me because I'm ignoring your posts. Your not going to post anything of relevance because you won't answer anyone's questions.

 

Thats my peace and no more Red. I've got nothing left for you.

[Alanna]

...and here we go again. See, you both say you're going to stop, and then...don't. True maturity in a situation like this requires letting go of having the last word. Be the bigger person.

 

I'm not saying don't continue to suspect or vote each other, but why keep restating the same arguments? It's annoying everyone else, I think.

 

  On 6/26/2011 at 10:32 PM, WWWwombat said:

Also, judging from their reactions to it, I think Alanna and Jack are the top suspects for suggesting the nk on JLM.

 

So my top four for scum are:

 

Red

Alanna

Jack

AJ

 

In that order.

 

I just saw this. I'm not sure what you mean...?

 

  On 6/27/2011 at 1:39 PM, WWWwombat said:

I have a feeling Red is lynchproof scum.

 

Because she's being aggresive, or...?

 

  On 6/28/2011 at 5:25 PM, leelou said:

I'm on a train right now. I'll say it again, I had asked to be replaced there is no one so I'm trying to make some sense of this game. I honestly don't care right now if I get lynched or nk'd and I hate to say that. I love mafia and this looks like an awesome game Krak set up. Unfortunately, this game is annoying me to no end. My gut yesterday was saying to lynch you mainly because the back and forth crap, which you keep bringing up, was too much. But then by the time I came back deadline passed a few minutes before and Jack was L-1 and Krak posted that there was an extension, so in our best interest, I tried to prevent a random.

 

I completely understand. This was exactly how I felt, actually. Since I had nothing to do this morning, I decided to go ahead and do a reread, but I was definitely on the verge of giving this game up.

[Sedai]

Alanna your right

[Alanna]

So. Reading through Day 2 was rather like being a teacher watching children on a school playground. Before I say anything, I advise everyone step back, take a deep breath, and try to let go of your personal issues with people. There are people I don't like playing mafia with, people that are annoying me right now. But if you can't step back from that, you just make the mafia's job easier for them.

 

So Jack thinks Charis acted too townie about being "afraid" about night. I thought that was sort of silly too, but I don't think she's scum. Charis thinks Jcak is scum because he was "bloodthirsty" for a single, offhand statement he made about wanting Day 1 to be over. I think this is an even weaker case than Jack's. In general, this got nowhere. Both Jack and Charis kept demanding the other explain themselves; both Jack and Charis had already done so.

 

I've already forgotten why Red thought Charis was scummy, and I've just done my reread. All I wrote down about the Charis-Red interaction was that Charis made the most sense. Over the course of my reread, Red attacked Key, Csarmi, trench, Charis, Tinker, Viera, and probably others, all for pretty minute reasons. As Min said:

 

  On 6/21/2011 at 3:49 AM, Minuet said:

Charis I don't think she really pays close attention to what we really say. She just likes to invent stuff or take things out of context to suit her purpose.

 

I muchly agree. I don't think she's doing it as scum, though.

 

  On 6/22/2011 at 2:09 AM, bgrishinko said:

Red uses wall o' text posts as both Mafia and Town. I've seen it both. She hopes to draw in skimmers to believe there is a very damnable case early on, even when much of what has been said is just average early scum hunting and randomness. She'll find something to latch onto. Then someone invariably gets caught up in the wall o' text accusations and Red latches on to that person, for better or worse. In this case, Charis. Charis feels the need to vehemently defend himself, and does so. A natural response for some people.

 

That's why she does it. It's a playstyle. I don't like it, I don't think it helps the town. But I don't think it's scummy.

 

I also wanted to say, csarmi buts into the Red-Jack thing on Day 2, on Red's side, of course, and I think this was sort of where that train got started. I kind of feel like I have to ignore this, since I happen to know csarmi has issues with Jack in general, so I can't really take anything he says about Jack seriously, since it could just be him tunneling. May I point out, this is why it's bad to let how you personally feel about a person interfere in a mafia game. I don't want to discount what csarmi says about Jack, but it too easily could be biased here. Especially since he said one of his reasons for voting Jack are because he doesn't like him.

 

I do think Jack overreacted a little to some of the last votes on his train, considering those people were probably just trying to get a majority and didn't have time for anything else at that stage. But I think he was just angry about everyone attacking him.

 

Now, as for Moon, who I think is actually a viable candidate for lynching:

 

I don't have the quote, but she jumped on a Min vote Day 1, which looked pretty scummy. Later, we get this:

 

  On 6/17/2011 at 12:40 AM, Ahmoondah Sedai said:

WOah- I spend a day off of Mafia and come back to a LOT...

 

UNVOTE

Vote Blackhoof

 

I realise this might sound like a bandwagon, or a response to a previous vote against myself.

I actually think Trench is making a good case for Blackhoof.

He pointed out his long history of suspicious acting.

 

Overly explains vote, looks scummy.

 

There was also the "defense" of Charis, which people pointed out. It seemed odd, but I don't know about scummy. I agree if Moon flips scum, it will make me take a second look at Charis.

 

After being done with the silencing, she says this of her "defense" of Charis:

 

  On 6/27/2011 at 3:10 AM, Ahmoondah Sedai said:

 

I think I had the case against me for calling Jack a Jerk. Because he was. He was trying to be a smart alec about the game, to Charis, so I shot it back at him.

That day I'd had little patience for smart alecs.

 

The votes against me were for what, Silence and calling out Jack's jerkiness?

My "linking together of players" was out of frustration towards the Scummy Jack

anyway, thank you for those who saw fit to wait and see what i had to say.

Bah.

I'm sorry that there was no majority achieved.

I would've voted for Jack, had I Been able to.

 

Well, I don't think Jack was being a jerk. It's called playing mafia. And I don't think anyone found you suspicious because you called Jack a jerk; most people in this game don't really seem concerned about Jack's feelings, in case you hadn't noticed

 

I do agree the being turned into a newt sounds believable. However, couldn't this have been targeted at her whether she's town or mafia? Or, according to Monty Python, is the power to turn someone into a newt definitely something that would be a scum power? Even if that's so, she could've been targeted by fellow scum to take some heat off her.

 

It's not a 100% solid case, but I think it's one of the best options right now.

 

As for Min, I'm not really suspicious of her at all. I saw nothing scummy of her in my reread. If anyone wants me to extrapolate on that, I can, but I've been doing this reread and compilation for more than 2 hours now and I really want to go do something more productive with my day off work.

 

Oh, and I also find Christine suspicious, but I'm not sure if it's just because she's new or not.

[Red2111]

*Red begins to slightly drool on herslef while sleeping, a big spider crawls into her helmet and watches the night from it's perch.*

 

 

 

  On 6/28/2011 at 5:49 PM, Alanna said:

...and here we go again. See, you both say you're going to stop, and then...don't. True maturity in a situation like this requires letting go of having the last word. Be the bigger person.

 

I'm not saying don't continue to suspect or vote each other, but why keep restating the same arguments? It's annoying everyone else, I think.

 

i have dropped it, which is why i haven't responded to him.

 

what i have responded to was accusations made by you. so unless your stating i should also not defend myself when people make accusations against me because of Jack refusing to leave me alone; i've done excatly what you've been requesting Alanna.

 

i'm not going to ignore the entire situation; and if someone is going to try to use Jacks persistance and one sided debate to paint me as scummy, you can't expect me not to defend myself and show otherwise, which is exactly what you seem to be suggesting.

 

 

you keep accusing me of continueing to go back & forth with Jack; as others have so why do you seem to have a problem with me proving to you that i've refused since late Day 2 to go back & forth with him by quoting myself? as others have seemed to suggest this i see this as a big problem that needs to be corrected and pointed out that most of this so called "back & forth" has actually been him quoting me and responding to quotes not even directed at him.

 

 

put yourself in my shoes. if a scum was trying to align himself so hard with you, and people were accusing you of going back & forth with him when you arent, how would you react? would you meekly take the beating and let the scum set up a lynch on you, or would you fight back any way you could.

 

 

  On 6/28/2011 at 5:49 PM, Alanna said:

  On 6/26/2011 at 10:32 PM, WWWwombat said:

Also, judging from their reactions to it, I think Alanna and Jack are the top suspects for suggesting the nk on JLM.

 

So my top four for scum are:

 

Red

Alanna

Jack

AJ

 

In that order.

 

I just saw this. I'm not sure what you mean...?

 

  On 6/27/2011 at 1:39 PM, WWWwombat said:

I have a feeling Red is lynchproof scum.

 

Because she's being aggresive, or...?

 

 

Womby never seems to list why he thinks these things of me. in between these posts he also says "i don't have a case on Red, it's more gut feeling" then turns aroudn and says "myabe i'll case Red later when i'm not feelign lazy, but i almost never case anyone"

 

so i dunno what Womby's game is concerning his FoS's on me.

 

 

 

 

  On 6/28/2011 at 5:25 PM, leelou said:

I'm on a train right now. I'll say it again, I had asked to be replaced there is no one so I'm trying to make some sense of this game. I honestly don't care right now if I get lynched or nk'd and I hate to say that. I love mafia and this looks like an awesome game Krak set up. Unfortunately, this game is annoying me to no end. My gut yesterday was saying to lynch you mainly because the back and forth crap, which you keep bringing up, was too much. But then by the time I came back deadline passed a few minutes before and Jack was L-1 and Krak posted that there was an extension, so in our best interest, I tried to prevent a random.

 

seeing as it was so close to the deadline and you couldn't have known Krak was goign to extend the deadline; shouldn't your first vote have been "in our best interest" instead of spreading them out by voting on a 3rd place contender??

 

 

i get what your saying, and i tend to ping scumdars alot lmao. but tbh, i'm questioning your intention with the original vote considering the closenessness of the deadline. wouldn't a vote on the majority lynch with a major FOS at me been the more town thing to do??

[Sedai]

Alanna I agree with most of all your points. The thing with my sentence I picked out of Charis was to get a reaction. I play based on reactions of a player I choose to bite into and the reactions of players around them. My comment to Charis was off handed and I was curious how she'd handle it. Her answer was satisfactory but it triggered a defense from moon which actually made me look closer at Charis and the possibilities of her being scum and the scenarios where that would be a feasible option. I've since then taken notes on how I'd expect Charis to act as scum. If she acts in accordance with my expectations I'd feel better about her being scum

[Leelou]

  On 6/28/2011 at 6:15 PM, Red2111 said:

  On 6/28/2011 at 5:25 PM, leelou said:

I'm on a train right now. I'll say it again, I had asked to be replaced there is no one so I'm trying to make some sense of this game. I honestly don't care right now if I get lynched or nk'd and I hate to say that. I love mafia and this looks like an awesome game Krak set up. Unfortunately, this game is annoying me to no end. My gut yesterday was saying to lynch you mainly because the back and forth crap, which you keep bringing up, was too much. But then by the time I came back deadline passed a few minutes before and Jack was L-1 and Krak posted that there was an extension, so in our best interest, I tried to prevent a random.

 

seeing as it was so close to the deadline and you couldn't have known Krak was goign to extend the deadline; shouldn't your first vote have been "in our best interest" instead of spreading them out by voting on a 3rd place contender??

 

 

i get what your saying, and i tend to ping scumdars alot lmao. but tbh, i'm questioning your intention with the original vote considering the closenessness of the deadline. wouldn't a vote on the majority lynch with a major FOS at me been the more town thing to do??

 

There were roughly 8 hours until deadline, there was plenty of time for the tides of mafia to change. Plus, I didn't really agree with the Jack vote going on, which I stated earlier.

[Alanna]

  On 6/28/2011 at 6:15 PM, Red2111 said:

  On 6/28/2011 at 5:49 PM, Alanna said:

...and here we go again. See, you both say you're going to stop, and then...don't. True maturity in a situation like this requires letting go of having the last word. Be the bigger person.

 

I'm not saying don't continue to suspect or vote each other, but why keep restating the same arguments? It's annoying everyone else, I think.

 

i have dropped it, which is why i haven't responded to him.

 

what i have responded to was accusations made by you. so unless your stating i should also not defend myself when people make accusations against me because of Jack refusing to leave me alone; i've done excatly what you've been requesting Alanna.

 

i'm not going to ignore the entire situation; and if someone is going to try to use Jacks persistance and one sided debate to paint me as scummy, you can't expect me not to defend myself and show otherwise, which is exactly what you seem to be suggesting.

 

 

you keep accusing me of continueing to go back & forth with Jack; as others have so why do you seem to have a problem with me proving to you that i've refused since late Day 2 to go back & forth with him by quoting myself? as others have seemed to suggest this i see this as a big problem that needs to be corrected and pointed out that most of this so called "back & forth" has actually been him quoting me and responding to quotes not even directed at him.

 

 

put yourself in my shoes. if a scum was trying to align himself so hard with you, and people were accusing you of going back & forth with him when you arent, how would you react? would you meekly take the beating and let the scum set up a lynch on you, or would you fight back any way you could.

 

I started to type out a very heated response to this and then decided against it; I'm not going to get into it with you an distract from the game even more. You obviously didn't read my post. AT ALL. But I'm not really surprised. For the record, that post of mine you quoted was aimed at Jack, who posted just before I did. Not at you.

 

It seems you need me to acknoledge that I have read the numerous posts in which you stated that you are now ignoring Jack. I've read them. All of them. Now please stop posting them, since you are not ignoring him by posting them over and over and over.

 

I'm out, I'm going to swim some laps.

[csarmi]

  On 6/28/2011 at 6:42 PM, leelou said:

There were roughly 8 hours until deadline, there was plenty of time for the tides of mafia to change. Plus, I didn't really agree with the Jack vote going on, which I stated earlier.

 

... and then, very conveniently, you missed the deadline by half an hour. The deadline that was so far away.

[Leelou]

This is the last I will visit this topic. I went out on interviews trying to get a job. Plus I wasn't the only one not on the Jack train that could have hammered him.

[csarmi]

Well there were several non-voters indeed.

[Red2111]

*Red falls over sideways and curls up in a comfy position, which is hard in a suit of armor*

 

 

  On 6/28/2011 at 6:48 PM, Alanna said:

I started to type out a very heated response to this and then decided against it; I'm not going to get into it with you an distract from the game even more. You obviously didn't read my post. AT ALL. But I'm not really surprised. For the record, that post of mine you quoted was aimed at Jack, who posted just before I did. Not at you.

 

Alanna, no where in that post did it say that was directed only at Jack. as you've been telling me the same thing and this issue involves me, i take it to mean that it was implied to both of us; especially when you use the words "Both of You" how can i know that it wasn't directed at me but is still partily about me if you don't state so?

i'm not ignoring your posts, as i've responded to alot of the content. inoreder to respond entails having had read the post i'm responding to.

 

It seems you need me to acknoledge that I have read the numerous posts in which you stated that you are now ignoring Jack. I've read them. All of them. Now please stop posting them, since you are not ignoring him by posting them over and over and over.

 

the only reason i kept saying so over and over is because you kept accusing me of coninuing the debate. since you kept accusing me of going back & forth with him i feltthe need to correct you; as i have with others.

 

so let me get the underlined striaght. because i'm defending myself in this situation, by deafualt i'm contributing it. thats almost as absurd as Moon's WIFOM of if Charis lives Red is scum and if Charis is NKd Red is scum. i don't see this a still going back & forth with Jack, just because i'm discussing with you our difference of opinions about the situation. i poke peole, and i beat the grass; it's what i do by nature in this game. why are you trying to stop my poking at you over your own statements about this issue by twisting it to say i'm continueing a back & forth with Jack.

 

I'm out, I'm going to swim some laps.

 

enjoy your swim!! i really miss swimming

 

 

 

  On 6/28/2011 at 7:05 PM, csarmi said:

  On 6/28/2011 at 6:42 PM, leelou said:

There were roughly 8 hours until deadline, there was plenty of time for the tides of mafia to change. Plus, I didn't really agree with the Jack vote going on, which I stated earlier.

 

... and then, very conveniently, you missed the deadline by half an hour. The deadline that was so far away.

 

 

not to mention that the deadline was on a weekand, which means less people and more chance for scum to spread out the votes. 8hr till deadline on a weekday is much different than 8 hrs till deadline on the weekand Leelou and which makes your "pleny of time" reason moot.

[Alanna]

  On 6/28/2011 at 7:19 PM, Red2111 said:

  On 6/28/2011 at 6:48 PM, Alanna said:

I'm out, I'm going to swim some laps.

 

enjoy your swim!! i really miss swimming

 

 

Thanks! It was a good swim. Perfect time of day, it was hot out and the water felt awesome :D

[bgrishinko]

Finally, some decent casings on those everyone says are Scummy... which may be... but overall are more loud than scummy right now. I appreciate you Alanna going through the hard work of digging through Day 1. I missed the whole day and was NOT looking forward to going back and wading through everything.

 

You also spoke my mind completely about what was happening on Day 2. Charis and Christine seemed a little off on Day 2 and Night 2 so far, but I've never played with them before, so who knows. I think there is a good chance that Moon faked the silence, based on my belief that there being 2 silencers is just... well... I don't think it would happen, but who knows. I may be wrong. I believe that there is only one though. Moon's silencing comes off weirder than Wombat's though, so if I'm to doubt one, I'm going to doubt Moon...

[bgrishinko]

Now GF peaked my interest here:

 

 

  On 6/27/2011 at 9:50 PM, Graendals favourite said:

Well, personally, I can't make heads or tails of this one, but if Jack isn't guilt, I know nothing.

 

Has no idea what to make of it... but... wait... about an hour later...

 

 

  On 6/27/2011 at 11:07 PM, Graendals favourite said:

I actually think we need to get rid of Moon, Jack, and Min, in that order.

 

Oh! It looks like GF does know how to make heads or tails of the situation. And even though "but if Jack isn't guilt, I know nothing" : Jack still isn't top of GF's list. What has GF stumbled onto to move Moon to the top of the list?

 

 

  On 6/27/2011 at 11:08 PM, Graendals favourite said:

But I haven't yet gone through my comprehensive review.

 

Darn. So much hope. Maybe GF just really knows nothing. Then why throw out names so adamantly at all?

 

 

  On 6/28/2011 at 1:05 AM, Graendals favourite said:

Let me go through the posts. I think Minuet is a candidate, but I need to read.

 

Point some fingers without a cause and get some names floating out there... Min's twice for some reason. "I'll back it up later!"

 

we shall see...

 

  On 6/28/2011 at 1:16 AM, Jack_D said:

GF why get rid of me?

 

Why get rid of Moon?

 

Odd from Jack. @Jack There is better reason for you and Moon than for most anyone else in the game. Don't sound so surprised. If only because you've taken up all the screen time. Even if everything you said and been gold and rainbows, So much posting is ripe for the picking and twisting of words. Heated debates can lead to poorly worded things that can be used to bite you later. GF has plenty of reasons to suspect, which one will she use?

 

 

  On 6/28/2011 at 1:19 AM, Graendals favourite said:

These are just hunches. But I've gotten to trust my hunches. Still, I will read on what has happened before tomorrow.

 

Oh wait... none. Just hunches. Oh well. Thought I'd get an explanation. Darn.

 

 

  On 6/28/2011 at 2:17 AM, Jack_D said:

  On 6/28/2011 at 1:19 AM, Graendals favourite said:

These are just hunches. But I've gotten to trust my hunches. Still, I will read on what has happened before tomorrow.

 

I respect your honesty and your straightforwardness. You didn't try and use someone else's flawed reasoning in different words you shot it straight. It's a safe statement though one you can easily escape culpabilty from, but it seems honest, I guess is the best word for it

 

Trying to get on GF's good side I see. Fair Enough, but her explanation doesn't seem like honesty. At best laziness/busyness and needing to catch up and following the crowd sentiment. At BEST. At worst, name dropping with no reasons to cast suspicion about easy targets. And admit it Jack, you and Moon are the easiest targets. Town or not.

 

And I still haven't figured out why Min is on people's list.

 

In conclusion, FoS GF.

[Sedai]

I know I'm an easy target but no one has really given a food reason. GF's post seemed like a filler post just trying to keep suspicion on myself and other top candidates. I don't get why Min is a suspect personally other then Red saying she should be on day 1.

 

Am I wrong BG for wanting an explanation on why people think I look scummy?

 

Your post breakdown is interesting. Red took up a lot of screen time herself BG but you don't mention that or the other scummy behavior she has committed. That's noted.

[Sedai]

I need no good sides. I was just satisfied GF basically said he had nothing. No oe else has done that. They just revised someone else's reason.

 

GF's post was and still is suspect