[Basic Mafia] Fiddleton - Game Over

[Niniel]

Some thoughts so far:

 

Mynd - seems a bit scummy. He say he doesn´t like silly day 1 votes but makes two of his own. (Talya and Phelix) He tells us that the only people that are scared of looking scummy are maffia but that´s not true. Townies don´t want to look scummy eighter because they don´t whant to get lynched. And what about all funny pictures? Something to hide behind?

 

Though pointing this out I´m not sure about Mynd. He was the one that started the game and someone has to do that. (And I love spaceballs - haven´t seen it in many years. )

 

 

Deadly - put a second vote on Locke early in the game. Scummy?

 

Mav - Just like Mynd he is trying to tell us how maffia reacts. But he kind of covers all behaviors so I guess he discribe all of us. Already have two votes. (Phelix and Csarmi)

 

Tiinker - you told us you had some great thoughts before the beardpicture. Have you found those memorys jet? Like to share them?

 

Locke and Subject bla bla (what can we call you?) hasn´t made any comments this far.

 

I can see some scum behavior but I don´t think anything is enough scummy for me to cast a vote jet. Since Deadly was my first day random vote I unvote him. (That doesn´t say I can vote you later again if I think it´s needed. )

 

Csarmi - I hope you feel better soon.

[Phelix]

  On 4/4/2011 at 12:07 PM, Mav said:

  On 4/4/2011 at 8:32 AM, Phelix said:

It doesn't look like he's signed in... is he playing a deep silent game then? Only going to come out to vote?

 

Hmmm.

 

Really, the thing that is leaping out as the most scummy to me is Mav's list of types of players. That list really does cover everyone... now, it could just be a silly way of saying it's really hard to spot scum... or it could be a way of discouraging Townies from acting on suspicious behavior.

 

For now, I'm going to vote Mav.

 

 

I was rather stating the obvious, instead of randomly accusing and following the player who is more resourcefull in his choosing of words, we should rather look at players acting out of their natural character.

 

Obviously I can't be a good judge of players their behavior this soon, I am only starting to get to know all of you, but I do seem to note a few oddities in your way of bringing forth a lynch under my name.

 

You stated that my posts looked scummy, while all I did was replying to Myndrunner and your discussion about day 1 voting and appearing scummy for not voting; I that you can't put a stamp on scum, they can play any act and you find that statement scummy.

 

Thats rather odd, or are you troubled that I undermine your definition of scum? Hence you can't initiate a lynch on the inactive players with a bandwagon following and ofcourse not seeming suspicious while at it?

 

I said that your list of players was "leaping out as the most scummy" to me, and I laid out my reasoning that it felt like a way to build doubt in other player's minds. Yes... of all the things said so far, that felt like the summiest to me. It's not solid by any means, but it's something to guide my vote... so I went with it. I'm not stuck on voting for you... if you, or someone else, points out someone more scummy I'll switch my vote, but it's what I've got for now.

 

I haven't put forward my own definition of scum for you to undermine... so I'm not sure what you're getting at there. Could you elaborate a bit? I admit, I've been up all night, so I might be missing an obvious point you're making....

 

And, lastly, I never said inactive people were likely to be scum, it was Mynd who said not voting yet made a person look scummy, so your last bit about me trying to initiate a lynch on inactive players doesn't make sense either. If you'll recall, it was the exact opposite situation... Mynd said that because I hadn't voted I was acting too cautious, so I was likely to be scum, and so he voted for me.

 

I'm really not sure where you get that I wanted to start a bandwagon on inactive people. Unless it's that bit where I said "So I'm scummy for not voting yet... must make the people who haven't posted at all even scummier. " Notice the tongue sticking out there... that was joking. I don't think people are scummy for not having voted or said anything yet, it was the natural extension of what Mynd was singling me out for. If my posting without voting was scummy to him, then surely people who hadn't even posted yet were even scummier.

[danneric]

who says i dont think that? its the way of mafia. But Locke still hast been active and im not sure who to vote at the moment so i will UNVOTE: LOCKE and hold it until further infomation comes into play.

[Phelix]

Tina! Posting while I post...

 

Though, looking at my reply to Mav, being sleepy makes me verbose. Good lord. Three hours until the night shift is over... three and a half hours until I can get into my bed.

 

 

[Myndrunner]

Sick or not, I see two mafia players working together! Cscummi and Phelix both went after Mav rather quick, and the reasons has to do with his list. TinaHell also posts a list, but its one that favors the two of them and questions Mav for his behavior and me for essentially going after Phelix. Also, TinaHell's post seems desperately innocent, as if she is trying hard to support yet distance herself from Cscummi and Phelix.

 

I think we can learn a lot from a Phelix lynch. Watch how reluctant Csarmi and TinaHel are to place their vote on him!

[Phelix]

  On 4/4/2011 at 2:14 PM, Myndrunner said:

Sick or not, I see two mafia players working together! Cscummi and Phelix both went after Mav rather quick, and the reasons has to do with his list. TinaHell also posts a list, but its one that favors the two of them and questions Mav for his behavior and me for essentially going after Phelix. Also, TinaHell's post seems desperately innocent, as if she is trying hard to support yet distance herself from Cscummi and Phelix.

 

I think we can learn a lot from a Phelix lynch. Watch how reluctant Csarmi and TinaHel are to place their vote on him!

 

Mynd you keep coming up with reasons to suspect me. First I didn't vote soon enough for you, now I'm voting too quickly for you. Make up your mind! (I will not pun... I will not pun.)

 

Csarmi has come off as scummy before... and he is giving off vibes now too. Leaping onto my vote like that is freaking suspicious. If other people want to vote for him, I'd be willing to change my vote.

[sVieira151]

I agree with Phelix here. I have found your actions odd so far, Mynd. Maybe it's a playstyle I'm not used to from various readings, but still. You've been jumping on Phelix since you voted him for not voting soon enough, and you have yet to reply to one of my posts directed at you, besides the post of a 'joke' picture that just told me you disagree.

 

I find csarmi a little bit suspicious aswell. Maybe his illness is a real reason, and he won't be able to play, but it could also be an attempt to justify lurking this thread. Him jumping vote aswell to phelix is again, suspicious in my eyes. This round has barely begun, yet he is doing a just-in-case vote on phelix because he won't be very active, even though we don't have a deadline? Seems like he is rushing for a lynch to me.

 

And as for TinaHel. Her list is all fair enough, nothing to accusatory, but she is coming across 'innocently'. I might be trying to think too much on this, but i'll be keeping an eye on her actions.

[Leelou]

  On 4/2/2011 at 6:56 PM, leelou said:

VOTE COUNT

 

Phelix (1) - Mynd

Mynd (1) - GMaster479

Mav (2) - Phelix, csarmi

Locke (1) - Talya

 

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

 

I will put in a deadline if I have to, but for right now there isn't one.

[Myndrunner]

Unvote

Vote Csarmi for jumping onto Phelix vote so fast. Being sick is no excuse, in fact, it could be that being sick clouded his judgement enough that he didn't realize that this exposed him for being the scum that he is.

[Niniel]

The only one I have played with before are Phelix, Csarmi and Deadly. I can see that both Phelix and Deadly plays the same way that they did the last time. Phelix talks a lot and Deadly don't. (This doesn't prove them eighter town or maffia.) Csarmi on the other hand was very active in our last game wich makes me believe that he is truly sick. Have to agree that he made a strange vote on Mav though. When he gets better we can ask him about it.

[csarmi]

Heh, my fever is gone, my belly still aches but I'm feeling much better.

I really am sick.

As for my vote on Mav, I've read one post, Phelix's so I figured I'd follow that.

 

Now I don't promise to do a reread (still feeling unwell), but I'll do my best. I think 15 minutes in front of the comp shouldn't hurt, alright?

 

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Being sick is no excuse, in fact, it could be that being sick clouded his judgement enough that he didn't realize that this exposed him for being the scum that he is.

 

Sure. You know what, if I was scum, I wouldn't have bothered posting. There was no attention on me, so why should I? To help lynch someone? With a second vote? Really...

[csarmi]

  On 4/3/2011 at 5:56 AM, Deadlyfreind said:

lol lucky number three awesome...any way. sonce Locke is the only player not to check in which lookd dcummy VOTE: LOCKE

 

This has struck me as odd. Not only casts the second vote on Locke in a period of the game where people usually have one vote only, but comes in with a reasoning like that...

 

Subjectivity has zero posts so far. Is he playing?

 

  Mav said:

This strikes me aswell, hops in, states that he is sick and doesn't have mutch time hence his inactivity/laying low, casts a vote while he is here anywhere, hops back out...

 

Lets initiate a bandwagon alright?

 

Two votes is not a bandwagon. I'd like you to talk more, I enjoy your posts. Putting pressure on people is a good way to make them talk.

 

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I think we can learn a lot from a Phelix lynch. Watch how reluctant Csarmi and TinaHel are to place their vote on him!

 

So are 10 more people.

 

A note: my name is spelled something like 'charmey' (in hungarian, cs = ch), so that Cscummy thing dont work so well.

[csarmi]

What about Locke? Inactive?

 

Now let me know when we start consolidating and I'll be changing my vote. I don't promise much activity however. Hope I'll be feeling better.

 

Mynd, aren't you voting a little too often? :)

[Tiinker]

Well that's odd.. when I'm sick I'll have my laptop at all times and won't even leave the sheets of my bed :p

 

I can't really see anything pinging me majorly about anyone. Mynd's on and off voting seems a bit odd but he isn't exactly doing anything harmful..yet. I'm just waiting to see who jumps on his vote and starts something. The only one i'm really thinking is mafia at the moment is Deadly.

[Leelou]

  On 4/4/2011 at 3:12 PM, leelou said:

VOTE COUNT

 

csarmi (1) - Mynd

Mynd (1) - GMaster479

Mav (2) - Phelix, csarmi

Locke (1) - Talya

 

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

 

I will put in a deadline if I have to, but for right now there isn't one.

[Talya]

I'm like you Tiinks I have the computer next to me when I'm not well. But i know others that don't, lol.

 

I'm liking all this talk, it makes a nice change to have actives here.

 

the only thing that stands out a bit was the quick withdraw of Deadly's vote after someone mentioned it. I'll have to reread the convos that went on before, I only got time to have a quick read through at work today. There did seem to be a lot of talk about how mafia play and don't play. But tonight I'm shattered so I have a couple of things to do then that's me done for the night.

[Locke]

Sorry folks. Completely out of my mind.

 

Anyway, checking in now, be back in a bit.

[GMaster479]

At this rate I feel we can learn a LOT more from a Mynd lynch than a Csarmi/Phelix lynch. The good news here is we have a dichotomy. Either Mynd is good and we have 2 good targets for tonight in Csarmi and Phelix or Mynd is bad and we are down one scum/baddie/Mafia person. You've all noted his behavior so act upon it and lets hear from him.

[Locke]

Mynd doesn't feel off to me so far. And if he does flip Innocent, that doesn't make the people he's being suspicious of us scum.

 

At this point, I don't think Mynd would give more info off a lynch than anyone else.

 

Although you look to be gunning for him pretty hard GMaster....

[Myndrunner]

  On 4/4/2011 at 9:32 PM, GMaster479 said:

At this rate I feel we can learn a LOT more from a Mynd lynch than a Csarmi/Phelix lynch. The good news here is we have a dichotomy. Either Mynd is good and we have 2 good targets for tonight in Csarmi and Phelix or Mynd is bad and we are down one scum/baddie/Mafia person. You've all noted his behavior so act upon it and lets hear from him.

 

On what planet does this even make any sense? Csarmi practically jumped onto the the Mav lynch as soon as Phelix posted. Explain your logic. If I flip innocent, which I will, what would that tell you?

[GMaster479]

@Mynd: You are drawing attention to yourself with your crazy voting pattern. This means that you are either scum trying to lead the lynch the wrong way, OR you are an innocent who is drawing out the baddies. If you do "flip innocent" as you say, then anyone who didn't like you getting D1 going or who defended someone you voted for would be a likely target for N1. With a day start to a game, you need to make it where you can have informed Night actions for the Doc and the Cop. I realize you may think I look scummy for proposing this but I think you know better than to accuse someone just because they are accusing you. That is the best explanation I have for that.

 

@Locke: Good to hear from you :) . I guess I wasn't clear in my original post which makes sense as I did that right before class. Hopefully my explanation above will suffice.

 

That being said, while Mynd might give us valuable information Tiinker made a good point about Deadly. I think we should pressure him now.

 

UNVOTE VOTE DEADLY

[Myndrunner]

  On 4/5/2011 at 12:16 AM, GMaster479 said:

@Mynd: You are drawing attention to yourself with your crazy voting pattern. This means that you are either scum trying to lead the lynch the wrong way, OR you are an innocent who is drawing out the baddies. If you do "flip innocent" as you say, then anyone who didn't like you getting D1 going or who defended someone you voted for would be a likely target for N1. With a day start to a game, you need to make it where you can have informed Night actions for the Doc and the Cop. I realize you may think I look scummy for proposing this but I think you know better than to accuse someone just because they are accusing you. That is the best explanation I have for that.

 

@Locke: Good to hear from you :) . I guess I wasn't clear in my original post which makes sense as I did that right before class. Hopefully my explanation above will suffice.

 

That being said, while Mynd might give us valuable information Tiinker made a good point about Deadly. I think we should pressure him now.

 

UNVOTE VOTE DEADLY

 

Your logic astounds me!

 

 

By that rationale, we could learn a lot about a lynch on GMaster479! If he flips scum, then we know he was scum. If he flips innocent, then we can lynch Deadly because he was going after Deadly. If Deadly flips innocent, we can lynch Tink because Tink made a good point about Deadly, but Tink also studied and that means Tink knows that man is mortal, so he wouldn't go after a mafia unless he was innocent, so I clearly cannot drink the wine in front of me!

[GMaster479]

Ahh....WIFOM. Gotta love it :P . I don't believe that you are getting my logic here. It isn't about who you are going after it is people's reactions to it. I'm not concerned about the many people you have voted for Mynd. You have already noted several people and several reactions to your odd voting. As to whether those reactions are scummy or not is what we need to determine. But enough with that. Are you changing your vote to Deadly?

[Myndrunner]

  On 4/5/2011 at 12:54 AM, GMaster479 said:

Ahh....WIFOM. Gotta love it :P . I don't believe that you are getting my logic here. It isn't about who you are going after it is people's reactions to it. I'm not concerned about the many people you have voted for Mynd. You have already noted several people and several reactions to your odd voting. As to whether those reactions are scummy or not is what we need to determine. But enough with that. Are you changing your vote to Deadly?

No, im keeping my vote where it is for now. What about my voting has been odd in your opinion?

[GMaster479]

As other players have noted it has been all over the place. You vote change constantly which is very much unlike what everyone else has done. I realize that it is a D1 strategy but it has been used by both scum and innocents in mafias past and I just want people to keep an eye on it down the road for information.