[Advanced Mafia] Black Ajah - GAME OVER!

[CurtisScafe]

Black you should fix your list. Day 3 no lynch putting names on a list for something that didnt happen proves nothing. What is does is adds confusion

[mmeeshal]

I do have to agree with Csarmi about lynching being good for the town. I was also under the impression that being on the lynch is good for the town as well, because the more town there are on any given lynch, the less likely there are to be mafia, and the less likely there is to be a nightkill.[/color

[mmeeshal]

Aw come on, you're kidding me. Stupid color code.

[Red2111]

i agree that if there is a NK tonight it will show eliminate for good any suspicion i had about a SK *nods* most times SK's can't not kill. if there is a kill tonight ... we'll just have to see what morning brings

 

 

 

I hate random lynches... but...

 

I don't feel justified voting out Drew right now. I guess we need to take the risk.

 

random lynches are never good. we get next to no info off a random lynch because of how info is gained from a lynch. justified or not, you shoudl have voted as it would not only tell us if he is scum, but also highlight more possible scum as well as clear up some speculation regaurding the list.

 

not to mention fewer people who are on the list weren't on Drews vote and there for would help eliminate some people off the list and shorten the noose around the scums neck.

 

MAJOR FOS BG. either your one of Drews teamates and twon, or your scum and know its better for you and your scum buddies to lynch someone not on the list.

[Blackhoof]

very well, i shall add more categories.

 

Day 3

Vote Count

Leelou (1) - Talmanes

Drew (7) - Blackhoof, Curt, Red, AJ, leelou, Meesh, csarmi

Red (1) - Aust

Csarmi (1) - BG

BG (3) - DrewKrak, MrL

 

Not Voting (1): Player

 

 

Day 2

Vote Count:

Blackhoof (3) - Red, Berf, Curt

Drew (1) - Meesh

Wombat (1) - Blackhoof

Berf (9) - Talmanes, Aust, Wombat, Krak, csarmi, Drew, Song(MrL), BG, leelou

 

Not Voting (2): Player, AJ

 

Day 1

Vote Count:

Aust (2) - Meesh, Phelix

Meesh (1) - Thorum(AJ)

Red (2) - Player, Wombat

Phelix (10) - Berf, Song, Blackhoof, Tynaal(BG), Aust, Drew, Curt, Talmanes, csarmi, Red

Blackhoof (1) - Krak

 

Not Voting (1): Mav, leelou

 

Okay, i have divided the players into several categories:

Brown: On all lynches

Pink: On two lynches

Blue: On one lynch

Green: On none

Yellow: Scary Six from Day 2

 

csarmi DOES have a point, the scary six spread their votes out, strange considering how they usually bunched togehter for a lynch. sudden change of opinion? FOS all the Scary Six (your not off the hook yet csarmi, your rabid defence looks very scummy)

 

Black you should fix your list. Day 3 no lynch putting names on a list for something that didnt happen proves nothing. What is does is adds confusion

 

irrelevant, it still shows tha intention to be on the lynch, and is as valid as a real lynch.

 

I do have to agree with Csarmi about lynching being good for the town. I was also under the impression that being on the lynch is good for the town as well, because the more town there are on any given lynch, the less likely there are to be mafia, and the less likely there is to be a nightkill.

 

yes, but we cannot prove that csarmi is town, nor can we assume that. and in mafia, "you are scum until proven innocent". therefore, csarmi is a scummy mcscummerman and he was on that lynch to get an NK. it is less dangerous to assume someone is scum and lynch a townie than to assume a scum innocent and lose at endgame.

[bgrishinko]

i agree that if there is a NK tonight it will show eliminate for good any suspicion i had about a SK *nods* most times SK's can't not kill. if there is a kill tonight ... we'll just have to see what morning brings

 

I hate random lynches... but...

 

I don't feel justified voting out Drew right now. I guess we need to take the risk.

 

random lynches are never good. we get next to no info off a random lynch because of how info is gained from a lynch. justified or not, you shoudl have voted as it would not only tell us if he is scum, but also highlight more possible scum as well as clear up some speculation regaurding the list.

 

not to mention fewer people who are on the list weren't on Drews vote and there for would help eliminate some people off the list and shorten the noose around the scums neck.

 

MAJOR FOS BG. either your one of Drews teamates and twon, or your scum and know its better for you and your scum buddies to lynch someone not on the list.

 

Well, Red, in this game the scum can only get their NK when they are all on the lynch. Therefore I don't see handing the scum a NK just to complete a Lynch on someone I'm not comfortable lynching right now. In a normal game, I'd agree with you and would have closed out the vote. Information would be valuable, but in this case not voting should insure that no NK should happen... unless your SK pans out. Or the scum somehow managed a permanent NK in 1 day. What I do see though is 4 people on the lynch today that were on the first day's lynch.

 

Blackhoof, Curt, Red, and csarmi.

 

That is what worries me. I'm not handing the scum hiding in this group a NK. Moreover, there are not 3 people the same from Night 2. I'm still guessing Team B is down to 2 people. In which case, csarmi and leelou were the only ones on Day 2 and 3.

Out of these folks, Red seems the most legit, but Red... she's a tricky one too. Wall o' Text posts aid to prove town as well as it does to hide scum.

 

Oh and one correction on Day 3: Drew moved his vote. Not digging the yellow though... so I choose dark green.

Day 3

Vote Count

Leelou (1) - Talmanes

Drew (7) - Blackhoof, Curt, Red, AJ, leelou, Meesh, csarmi

Red (1) - Aust

Csarmi (2) - BG, Drew

BG (2) - Krak, MrL

 

 

 

 

[Blackhoof]

an interesting point BG. but if i was on a scum team with them, why would they all vote me on Day 2? and why would i stay so far away from a potential lynch. just saying.

 

true about the yellow as well... by the time i saw how eye-hurting it was, i had already done it all, so i thought, stuff it.

[bgrishinko]

 

Well, Red, in this game the scum can only get their NK when they are all on the lynch. Therefore I don't see handing the scum a NK just to complete a Lynch on someone I'm not comfortable lynching right now. In a normal game, I'd agree with you and would have closed out the vote. Information would be valuable, but in this case not voting should insure that no NK should happen... unless your SK pans out. Or the scum somehow managed a permanent NK in 1 day. What I do see though is 4 people on the lynch today that were on the first day's lynch.

 

 

Okay, well, I just got Mod chastised for what I suggested here about purposely avoiding lynches for any reason other than not agreeing with the lynch. Avoiding lynches to prevent a NK is something we will probably want to avoid in the future. Hence the reason for Alanna's rules. My Bad.

[bgrishinko]

That being said, my main reason for not voting remains:

I hate random lynches... but...

 

I don't feel justified voting out Drew right now. I guess we need to take the risk.

[bgrishinko]

That being said, my main reason for not voting remains:

I hate random lynches... but...

 

I don't feel justified voting out Drew right now. I guess we need to take the risk.

[dapianoplay3r]

I dont like pink, can we use another color?

 

*mutters angrily under his breath*

 

I missed the lynch. this time that wasnt my intention at all. Im so sorry guys I thought I had more time. Ill be here all guns blazing tomorrow.

Ive got my performance tonight and after that im on holiday so ill have heaps of time to get my head in gear

 

dont worry, this means that either you are a very cunning scum who purposefully missed lynches to look innocent, a hopeless scum playerwho keeps costing his team NK's or innocent.

 

so missing the lynches isnt a bad thing, really.

 

Blackhoof,

 

1) I don't think you should treat those three days the same in your coloring (I suppose that voting days 1/2 shouldn't be the same as voting on days 1/3, for example)

2) Show the Song/MrL change.

3) Major FOS @ me for playing the game?

If I'm the only one on all the three lynches, no wonder we didn't get a lynch today. Note how all the other five of the 'Scary Six' went for some not-very-meaningful votes. If 5 players out of 14 kind of refuse to vote (refuse to be on a lynch, rather), what are the chances to get 8 players on a lynch?

 

1) well, i suppose i could go more in depth, but that would just be confusing for everyone... even me :P

2)why? we know it happened, and Alanna didnt include it, so it isn't important enough to include, especially since everyone knows it happened.

3) no, major FOS at you for being the sole person on every lynch, and being on lynches is good for... you guessed it, the mafia! yay! :D

an interesting point you raise, csarmi. several possibilities for the mass-move away

-coincidence

-seeing their trouble, they all coordinate in their scum QT to avoid the lynch, to avoid suspicion

-seeing their trouble, they all decide independently to avoid the lynch, to avoid suspicion

 

if reason 1 or 3 is the right one, you are still suspicious as theonly one on all lynches.

if reason 2 is right, you are free.

 

unfortunately we have no way of knowing.

Ok woah. I dont like this at all. Its not a good idea to miss lynches

[Blackhoof]

ok, well, i was just reassuring you that it made you look innocent, so it is strange that you would react like this....

 

@BG. a controlled lynch of a player that a majority of peopel find scummy is better than a rqandom lynch with a 3/4 chance of hitting town. FOS @ BG for having a bad reason to avoid being on a lynch. smells of scum trying to look innocent.

[Talmanes]

I apologize for not being around like I thought I would be to put on the hammer and get a lynch.

Now call it scummy or not, but I need to do a reread, and don't have the time right now, because this thread is too damn long, and I have a large amount of work to do on RL stuff. I will do a full reread tomorrow and post accordingly, however, even if it kills me (figuratively). I don't like posting cases/evidence during night phase anyway, so it works out.

 

Oh, and WE CANNOT AFFORD TO MISS ANOTHER LYNCH PEOPLE!!!

I know I was somewhat at fault for that, but others could have voted too.

 

That is all.

[bgrishinko]

ok, well, i was just reassuring you that it made you look innocent, so it is strange that you would react like this....

 

@BG. a controlled lynch of a player that a majority of peopel find scummy is better than a rqandom lynch with a 3/4 chance of hitting town. FOS @ BG for having a bad reason to avoid being on a lynch. smells of scum trying to look innocent.

 

Well my reasons are the same as I stated before, so whatever. But I don't want to sound like I'm encouraging people to avoid lynches since the Mod spoke to me. There isn't much more I can say about that.

[csarmi]

MAJOR FOS BG. either your one of Drews teamates and twon, or your scum and know its better for you and your scum buddies to lynch someone not on the list.

 

I agree that he should have voted, but he arrived after the deadline anyway so it was already too late.

[csarmi]

Bleckhoof's list with better colors:

 

very well, i shall add more categories.

 

Day 3

Vote Count

Leelou (1) - Talmanes

Drew (7) - Blackhoof, Curt, Red, AJ, leelou, Meesh, csarmi

Red (1) - Aust

Csarmi (1) - BG

BG (3) - DrewKrak, MrL

 

Not Voting (1): Player

 

 

Day 2

Vote Count:

Blackhoof (3) - Red, Berf, Curt

Drew (1) - Meesh

Wombat (1) - Blackhoof

Berf (9) - Talmanes, Aust, Wombat, Krak, csarmi, Drew, Song(MrL), BG, leelou

 

Not Voting (2): Player, AJ

 

Day 1

Vote Count:

Aust (2) - Meesh, Phelix

Meesh (1) - Thorum(AJ)

Red (2) - Player, Wombat

Phelix (10) - Berf, Song, Blackhoof, Tynaal(BG), Aust, Drew, Curt, Talmanes, csarmi, Red

Blackhoof (1) - Krak

 

Not Voting (1): Mav, leelou

 

Okay, i have divided the players into several categories:

Brown: On all lynches

Pink: On two lynches

Blue: On one lynch

Green: On none

Purple: Scary Six from Day 2

 

[mmeeshal]

Not that it matters that much, but it's bugging me--do we count Drew's failed lynch as a lynch, for the list purposes? It wasn't really a lynch, and it doesn't give us that much info since, if there's a night kill, the only way it happened is if a mafia team gained a permanent kill already. And if there's no kill, that's because there was no lynch, so either way we're stuck for any solid info. It all becomes speculation, list-wise. /minispiel

[Blackhoof]

just because there was no lynch, doesnt mean we cannot do a list. being on a lynch when at any moment Drew could have been hammered means that you are commited to that lynch. a scum wanting to be on a lynch would go for that lynch, and hope that someone hammered drew, but just becaue no-one did, doesnt mean that that hypothetical scum didnt want it to happen.

 

its kind of irrelevant if no-one was lynched when we had a bunch of peopel on that lynch that probably assumed (like me) that the lynch was going to go through when they were offline. they still wanted the lynch, so they count as being on it even though it didnt happen.

[Alanna]

Delana paced nervously in her tent, unable to sleep, though the night was passed and it was near morning. Her mistress had not been very happy with her lately, and when one of the Forsaken was disappointed in you, life could become very precarious. She certainly would not be the first member of the Black Ajah to be killed for a lack of success...

 

Suddenly, her tent flap was pulled back and someone stepped inside. Delana looked up in surprise and alarm. Then her eyes narrowed. "You? What are you-"

 

She never finished her question.

 

(Red) Delana, Black Ajah, has been nightkilled.

 

Elsewhere, another member of the Black Ajah slept, unaware of any danger that might befall her. She also had not had much success lately, but who would dare strike her down? Unfortunately, she obviously had not had much experience when dealing with the Forsaken, and even her fellow Black Ajah members were beginning to see her as a liability. She had, after all, first brought the al'Meara woman and her friends on their trail. So while she slept, an agent of the Dark crept in to her room and killed her before she could wake.

 

(MrLiterate) Liandrin, Black Ajah, has been nightkilled.

 

Day 4 begins. No deadline as of right now. With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

[CurtisScafe]

Nice 2 in one night

So this means 1 on team 1 and 2 on team 2

But it also would make it harder to pin the smaller teams

[CurtisScafe]

just because there was no lynch, doesnt mean we cannot do a list. being on a lynch when at any moment Drew could have been hammered means that you are commited to that lynch. a scum wanting to be on a lynch would go for that lynch, and hope that someone hammered drew, but just becaue no-one did, doesnt mean that that hypothetical scum didnt want it to happen.

 

its kind of irrelevant if no-one was lynched when we had a bunch of peopel on that lynch that probably assumed (like me) that the lynch was going to go through when they were offline. they still wanted the lynch, so they count as being on it even though it didnt happen.

So you are saying that if we have lynched a black we would still be a liability. Interesting.

[bgrishinko]

Well, it seems we have entered a Black Ajah turf war.

 

What worries me though is there were 2 NKs. They worked out to our advantage this time. Of course, one of them could have originated from town not mafia, which is what I'm hoping for.

 

Our other possibilities if that wasn't a town based NK is that both teams have permanent NKs... or there really is a SK as dirty ol' Red suggested earlier.

[CurtisScafe]

Wait how was there a night kill if there was no lynch?

[bgrishinko]

Updating:

 

I'm changing dead BA to black and dead town to Dark Green

Bleckhoof's list with better colors:

 

 

Day 3

Vote Count

Leelou (1) - Talmanes

Drew (7) - Blackhoof, Curt, Red, AJ, leelou, Meesh, csarmi

Red (1) - Aust

Csarmi (2) - BG, Drew

BG (2) - Krak, MrL

 

Not Voting (1): Player

 

 

Day 2

Vote Count:

Blackhoof (3) - Red, Berf, Curt

Drew (1) - Meesh

Wombat (1) - Blackhoof

Berf (9) - Talmanes, Aust, Wombat, Krak, csarmi, Drew, Song(MrL), BG, leelou

 

Not Voting (2): Player, AJ

 

Day 1

Vote Count:

Aust (2) - Meesh, Phelix

Meesh (1) - Thorum(AJ)

Red (2) - Player, Wombat

Phelix (10) - Berf, Song(MrL), Blackhoof, Tynaal(BG), Aust, Drew, Curt, Talmanes, csarmi, Red

Blackhoof (1) - Krak

 

Not Voting (1): Mav, leelou

 

Okay, i have divided the players into several categories:

Brown: On all lynches

Pink: On two lynches

Blue: On one lynch

Green: On none

Purple: Scary Six from Day 2

Black: BA

Dark Green: Town

 

 

 

 

 

[Leelou]

*blinks* I agree with BG that it seems to be an all out BA war...

 

So I've been staring at the list of the vote counts for the past few minutes and the only thing that is jumping out at me right now is that Curt was voting for the same person as Red all three days.

 

I need to dig a bit more to see what I can pull from Song/MrL to try to find any connections.