Wheel of Time Mafia Game Thread

[David Hermes]

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[aemonkristen]

 

(edited for length)

 

but see you miss my point.  i call it twisting my words because it wasn't told in my PM "Aemon isn't the Dragon Reborn"  there for it isn't direct information about Aemon that i have.  you saying "you must have info on Aemon that no one else has" is misleading besides then it makes people think that i may know his alignment or character which i dont! and therefor makes them think i'm leaving stuff out on purpose, which i'm not; and discredits everything i've said.

 

if anyone but Rand had claimed Dragon, i'd be pushing for their lynch just as hard.  you;ll notice this entire time i've said repeatedly "I don't know what you are Aemon, but I know your not Rand AlThor and therefor cannot be the true dragon"

 

A couple of things are bugging me about this last post. First off is the bolded. You say you do not know who I am or what my alignment is yet you are fighting to the death to see me hang. Not sure if that's an entirely logical thing to do. You also have repeatedly tried to make me claim a character name when 1) that is forbidden 2) no one has recieved a character name to go with their PM. I was told only that I am the Dragon Reborn. This section of your post seems designed for you to come back to when you manage to kill me. "I said didn't know who or what he was. Don't lynch me because I told you." not buying it.

[David Hermes]

There you go!

Took a couple of tries, but I'm no computer wizz! ;D

[hotpocket2006]

*sigh* it won't let me bold my text or change the color. Could someone post the codes with a space or removed bracket so I can copy them so I can't vote before the deadline. Please :)

 

P.S. Song, David is not a noob. He just hasn't been around in a while. Don't give him noob excuse.

 

Well thanks for clearing that up Adella. I won't feel bad now if he is lynched. ^^

[TheMasterDude]

Since I'm about 12 pages behind (I'll try to catch up this weekend) and for the sake of not getting a random lynch. Vote RED

[David Hermes]

*sigh* it won't let me bold my text or change the color. Could someone post the codes with a space or removed bracket so I can copy them so I can't vote before the deadline. Please :)

 

P.S. Song, David is not a noob. He just hasn't been around in a while. Don't give him noob excuse.

 

Well thanks for clearing that up Adella. I won't feel bad now if he is lynched. ^^

 

Hey, the noob excuse is convenient! ;D

 

By the way, Adella I got the codes for bold and colour red in my last post.

[Adella]

Vote David Hermes I hope that worked!

 

You're welcome Song. And David, its actually a little extra scummy that you need to hide behind that.

[David Hermes]

Vote David Hermes I hope that worked!

 

You're welcome Song. And David, its actually a little extra scummy that you need to hide behind that.

 

Just a joke...just a bit of humour. :D

[David Hermes]

Vote David Hermes I hope that worked!

 

You're welcome Song. And David, its actually a little extra scummy that you need to hide behind that.

 

And after I helped you get the codes, tut, tut, tut! ;D

[Adella]

And yet you failed to correct Song when she said it.

[DrewRiley]

If Red is Moiraine (looking likely, right?) I'm not going to Lynch her just to get information.

 

Unvote

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Vote David[/b]

[WWWwombat]

As true hints and false hints are punished equally, nothing should be read into Red's punishment other than that she hinted at a character and was punished for it.

[DrewRiley]

As true hints and false hints are punished equally, nothing should be read into Red's punishment other than that she hinted at a character and was punished for it.

 

In the words of Scarface from Half Baked, "I don't know why, but I believe her, B"

[David Hermes]

As true hints and false hints are punished equally, nothing should be read into Red's punishment other than that she hinted at a character and was punished for it.

Aha! so, adella, now you can't use red getting punished for hinting something as a reason for believing her and therefore voting me. Just saying, now voting for me is groundless if that was the reasoning that you used.

[Tigraine]

As true hints and false hints are punished equally, nothing should be read into Red's punishment other than that she hinted at a character and was punished for it.

 

I was getting ready to say that!

 

I am really torn about who to vote for...I'm not sure I believe any of the claims (Aemon,Red) but I'm not sure that I don't believe them either....does that make sense?

[hotpocket2006]

As true hints and false hints are punished equally, nothing should be read into Red's punishment other than that she hinted at a character and was punished for it.

 

I was getting ready to say that!

 

I am really torn about who to vote for...I'm not sure I believe any of the claims (Aemon,Red) but I'm not sure that I don't believe them either....does that make sense?

 

Yes that totally makes sense. that's how I feel. I think they are both right, though I believe aemon may be a false dragon. I don't think Red would've put herself out there that much and risk MK for a lie though. Though at the same time they both could be lying. I think leaving them both alone for today would be good.

[David Hermes]

And yet you failed to correct Song when she said it.

Do you actually consider me experienced in this game? Yeah, I know the theory and some terminologies, but that doesn't make me an expert. On the other hand, I'm not totally new. I think I've played about 3 or 4 games. My first game I won it for the town as aemon can attest to. :D

another one or two games I got lynched like on day 1.

Another one was just a mess for me.

So, based on that I might as well be a noob who played a couple of games.

[Tigraine]

Vote count

 

Song (1): Tigraine

Blackhoof (1): play3r, Mynd

Amadine (1): virtuhall

Play3r (1): Nyn

TMD (1): Thorkin

Aemon (1): paetric, Blackhoof, Red

David Hermes (9): Locke, trench, Aust, Ahmoondah, bgrishinko, alannalynn, Red, Adella, drew

Red (8): Aemon, Verbal, Amadine, David Hermes, Mynd, Blackhoof, Alanna, TMD

Mynd (1): Quibby

bgrishinko (1): David Hermes

With 37 alive, it takes 19 to lynch.

 

Deadline: Saturday 8 PM EST

 

 

I think this is right guys!

[hotpocket2006]

Song I think you're just relieved to have people stop looking at your own weird reveal and happy to see Aemon take the heat. As for Red - I enjoy it when you get all aggressive (*rawr* ) but let's call a spade a spade here - you put a lot of energy into suggesting that Asmo might be innocent. No one would do that without some kind of purpose motivating them.

 

Alanna is correct - Aemon does like to do this sort of thing - he enjoys taking risks and making big flourishes to try to stir things up, and there is every chance he is lying. Right now I can't tell - I'm going to watch and see if he trips himself up but in the meanwhile watching people's reactions to him tends to be interesting.

 

Let's take David for example:

 

Yes you're right, good spotting! :D That would mean that claiming DR could be the truth(which in my opinion I think aemon is telling the truth) or a clever ploy to divert attention away from something. Plus it's dangerous because then wouldn't aemon now be a target for a night-kill, in case he is important for the townies?

 

If aemon is not telling the truth, then by diverting attention to himself, he's protecting other people. Perhaphs he's protecting the people he was accusing throughout the game, such as Red.

 

Also aemon could be using this as a ploy so that he can get protection during the night, and leave the doctor open for a night-kill. It's a long shot but it might be worth it. (not really in my opinion)

 

David do you have any other theories you'd like to share? You've gone from stating you believe Aemon to thinking he's lying to protect someone to thinking he's lying to trap the healer. This reads like someone trying to stir up as much confusion around Aemon as possible.

Vote David

 

 

 

 

If aemon is not telling the truth, then by diverting attention to himself, he's protecting other people. Perhaphs he's protecting the people he was accusing throughout the game, such as Red.

 

wow, trying to distance yourself much? first you come out 100% supporting Aemon's claim; now you're trying to link me with him and cast doubt on his claim. as scum, its better to pick one story and stay with it, not flip flop like a a fisherman caught in his own net.

 

All these quotes are rather funny, and I agree with Red and Aust. He believes aemom. And then tried to make it seem like aemon is trying to protect people. Also throws Red into the bunch. And then tries to throw out a theory about aemon just wanting night protection so confusing the doc even more than they probably are confused.

 

Well enough, bgrishinko. Are you a darkfriend?

 

Of course not. But there MAY be ways for me to obtain info others cannot.

 

Okay, are you hinting that you're a finder?

 

He is hardcore role fishing here. He did that twice. I just don't want to go back and find the other quote I saw.

 

After reading the discussion going in the last couple of pages, I realised that as trench says we shouldn't lycnh aemon until he produces some results, but red is convinced that aemon is not Rand therefore he can't be the true DR. But whether that's true or not red is still going for a possible finder on Day 1.

Red you have hinted at being aes sedai, and the impression I got was that you are Moirraine, at least, Moirraine is the best character that fits your post about finding the true DR and preparing him for the last battle. But you've only ever hinted at your role but never really came out with it, which is fine because the less information the mafia the better, right?

But then your post saying that even when "you get killed, to not let your alignment clear him". Now, that isn't saying that you're not town per se but that's what it suggests. So I find that you are a more viable vote than bgrishinko is at the moment.

Unvote bgrishinko and vote Red.

 

I also don't understand why he believe Reds Morraine claim here, before she came out and got punished. He's also role fishing again. Obviously he didn't read the rules about not revealing or hinting about your character because he wouldn't have brought that up unless he didn't really care.

 

So Imma VOTE DAVID HERMES

[David Hermes]

I asked wombat about this and he told me that we can speculate as much as we like about other players' characters but cannot reveal/hint our own characters.

[Aust]

fyi, here's a really easy way to color and bold votes:

 

for red text:

 

[ color=red] text here [ /color] (just eliminate the space after the braket)

 

for bold text:

 

[ b] text here [ /b]

 

and you can put it all together like this:

 

[ b][ color=red] text here [ /color][ /b]

 

 

And last lesson for those who are nostalgic for our old glow button:

 

[ background=red] text here [ /background] will glow your vote red - I do this when I'm voting on my phone ;)

 

 

Okay - editing lessons aside - we have basically 3 choices today:

 

1. Lynch Red - risk losing Moiraine and Lan (in my opinion this seems the likely case) - potential payout in learning more about Aemon's alignment. The thing here is that if Aemon were scum, he'd know if Red was innocent, and then he'd also know that lynching her if she were innocent would make him look really bad and he'd be the object of a lynch tomorrow.

 

2. Lynch Aemon - risk losing proclaimed DR (uncertain what that would mean for the game) and finder - potential payout is learning more about Red's alignment. She seems certain he is going to flip in a way that will vindicate her. Again, if Red were scum, she'd know that an innocent coroner's report on Aemon would make her the subject of a lynch tomorrow.

 

3. Lynch David Hermes - he's the only other viable candidate today - due to some scummy posting - he also hasn't done anything to convince anyone that he's innocent. No real risk in lynching him, and the potential payout is if he flips mafia.

 

 

I think both Red and Aemon both believe what they are saying - otherwise they wouldn't be so far out on a limb for their arguments. Either one would be attacked heavily the next day if their target flipped other than what they are saying - this says to me that they're both quite sure of themselves. I think Aemon might be a false DR but not know about this at all - strikes me as odd though that he wouldn't consider it.

 

 

 

I'm normally all about gaining information through a day one lynch, but I think that this situation is a bit unique. For now I'm content with my vote on David because I think there's a chance that both Red and Aemon are innocent, and that they both believe that they are telling the truth.

 

 

 

[Tigraine]

That makes 10 votes for David, I am getting offline now and won't be back on until tomorrow evening. I am gonna place my vote on David in interest of a controlled lynch and since I can't figure out who to vote for between Red and Aemon.

[David Hermes]

So me saying that I think red is moirraine is not against the rules and can't be used to judge whether I'm mafia or not.

[keyholder21]

As true hints and false hints are punished equally, nothing should be read into Red's punishment other than that she hinted at a character and was punished for it.

 

I was getting ready to say that!

 

I am really torn about who to vote for...I'm not sure I believe any of the claims (Aemon,Red) but I'm not sure that I don't believe them either....does that make sense?

 

Yes that totally makes sense. that's how I feel. I think they are both right, though I believe aemon may be a false dragon. I don't think Red would've put herself out there that much and risk MK for a lie though. Though at the same time they both could be lying. I think leaving them both alone for today would be good.

 

Wish I'd had a chance to get on earlier!

 

Despite Red's earlier scummy-ness, I'm inclined to agree with Song and Tigs here. I really don't see someone pulling out all those stops to try and hint at a character if she really wasn't that character. Maybe if we were later in the game, but I can't imagine anyone would want to try that first day. But really don't want to lynch a claimed finder role.

 

Adella's comment about Aemon possibly being a false Dragon and having to proclaim before Day 4 because the real Dragon cannot proclaim until then is very intriguing! I hadn't even thought of something like that, but it makes a lot of sense.

 

Since I'm not willing to vote for Aemon (finder), or Red (possibly a really good guy), I'm going to have to vote David.

[keyholder21]

AH! Extra posts while I was typing that.

 

Aust, at your number 3, that's basically what I thought, as you can see from my above post.