Russian Devil Hotel - Game Thread (ON)

[Myndrunner]

Kivam, calling a turd a turkey sandwich still makes it a turd.

 

I could try forcing a lynch on someone for made-up reasons too, but I'd rather go with hard evidence. For one, you say you are not trying to push everyone to reveal their one shot power, but as of now we have had two reveals and now you are wagging your finger at me claiming that you know I don't have a one shot power, as if to beg me to contradict you.

 

Then, you want us all to use our one shot powers tonight so we can "wait and see" about something, taking your word on this? Are we to blindly follow your word when you wont answer direct questions about your shady behavior? You make speculations while others (besides me) point out legitimate flaws in your logic.

 

Why do you believe Lily to be town? You can't half-ass this question because the mafia see what we see anyway. There was no need to say what you said then, especially when Lily was not in jeopardy of being lynched. Her overreaction reeked of scum but your dismissive post about how sure you are that she is town threw up a red flag. Since you have already let the cat out of the bag, you need to be explicit since this is the only place where we can communicate. To do otherwise is anti-town.

 

What I see is a mafia player trying to get everyone to use their one shot power tonight so that they can have easy pickings on Night 2.

[Myndrunner]

 

 

But no, really.....just caught up and I'm thinking Mynd not likely having a 1-shot ability does seem suspicious. I have one, so for somebody that does not, bears looking into.

 

 

Verb, the only person that said I do not have a one shot power, is Kivam. I do have one, but it was quite similar to one claimed earlier, which had me second guessing the claim. With Alannalynn's claim, I'm starting to see that we all have them (except perhaps the mafia).

 

I can't believe that you re-read this entire thread and that voting to lynch me is the choice you made. You have no other opinions at all? Srsly? I urge you to go back and read again the part where Lily made her OMGUS and Kivam's defense of her. I'm not trying to tell you what to do, but unless you too are scum, you should be able to see what I'm talking about.

[hotpocket2006]

I also find Verbal chirping in that Mynd seems to not have a one shot power is supect and so jumps on that wagon. Mynd never says he doesn't have one, he just doesn't want to reveal anything, which I think is purty smart. Also Kivam just assumes that Mynd doesn't have a one shot power... You know what happens when one assumes... We already have two outted powers. And now Kivam and Verb both say they have one shot powers. What if everyone has a one shot power? Mafia can have powers too, in case anyone forgot this. Also now the mafia has four targets to target who have powers. How dumb is this? So I'd rather not see everyone tunneling on the fact that everyone who is town has a one shot power. And I think Verbals vote stinks. Not trying to distract from the issue at hand, but I wanted to point that out for future reference, in case we ever move on to day 2.

 

I also think a Lily lynch will give us the most information. If she flips innocent, then obviously that makes Mynd suspicious. Also she has some connection to Kiv. Not sure about it, but if she flips innocent then that probably means that Kiv is innocent. I think this lynch will give us the maximum information. VOTE LILY

[Verbal32]

I can't believe that you re-read this entire thread and that voting to lynch me is the choice you made. You have no other opinions at all? Srsly? I urge you to go back and read again the part where Lily made her OMGUS and Kivam's defense of her. I'm not trying to tell you what to do, but unless you too are scum, you should be able to see what I'm talking about.

 

I absolutely have other opinions and thoughts, but they point towards 2 or 3 other lynch possibilities. Seeing as that distracts from the lynch I'm leaning towards (yours), you'll understand why I haven't spoken about them.

[Myndrunner]

I can't believe that you re-read this entire thread and that voting to lynch me is the choice you made. You have no other opinions at all? Srsly? I urge you to go back and read again the part where Lily made her OMGUS and Kivam's defense of her. I'm not trying to tell you what to do, but unless you too are scum, you should be able to see what I'm talking about.

 

I absolutely have other opinions and thoughts, but they point towards 2 or 3 other lynch possibilities. Seeing as that distracts from the lynch I'm leaning towards (yours), you'll understand why I haven't spoken about them.

 

I just spit my coffee. You are actually withholding evidence from 3 other lynch possibilities from the rest of us? They would only be a distraction from the lynch on me if they made better sense....which begs the question, why are you lynching me then if there are others we should be looking at?

 

Like I said before, I do have a one shot power which is very similar to one claimed earlier in the game. That had me disbelieving said claim (which is apparently scummy according to Lily); however, as others have been forced to reveal, it has become quite apparent to me that we all likely have one shot powers.

 

Maybe I'm slipping. Maybe because I haven't played mafia in a while, and I'm just not getting it. So please, Verbal, take pity on me and explain to me in simple terms that I can understand.....why are you voting me for lynch? Especially when you said yourself that there are 2 to 3 other lynch possibilities.

[Aust]

I'm not entirely certain that Kivam was defending Lily.

[Myndrunner]

I'm not entirely certain that Kivam was defending Lily.

 

How so? Please elaborate on your thought here. To me, when he says he is 95% sure Lily is town after Dralid cast his very enthusiastic vote on her, that is what I call defending her. Maybe I am missing something, but there was no other purpose for Kivam's post other than to take heat off Lily after one vote.

 

Aust, perhaps you can explain a different purpose for his post? Also, who would you suggest we lynch to gain the most information?

[Aust]

Sorry that was kind of random- I posted it while reading a few pages back. Anyhow I think that claiming a one-shot ability is no longer going to be of much value... Everyone is going to claim some such.

 

Mynd, it did seem like you didn't know about a 'one-shot' possibility when you originally posted, and I think this makes it hard to trust you just now. I'm on my phone or I'd try to pull up the original post to see if my memory is serving well- if no one else gets to it I'll grab it when I get home

[Aust]

Ah! Sorry Mynd I just missed your last post.

 

My point about Kivam is it seemed like a clever way to out Lily... It may have been less a defense of her and more of putting a target on what she suggested.

[alannalynn]

L-1? I have no choice then, do I? I have a one shot healer ability, which I hate admitting A) because of the role and B) because I know it will be looked at warily after Aemon's one-shot finder ability. After he revealed I questioned how many one shot abilities are in the game, being that we have ghost roles as well. If there are more you with 1x abilities, I hope my reveal has more credit that it sounds like it would if I were reading this right now.

Also, great job getting both the finder and the healer to reveal Day 1.

 

That quote is why I don't believe your claim. If you have a one-shot healing ability, then you know full well that you are not "the healer" - you're just someone with a one-shot healing ability. The plan would be to use it tonight, and see if you have a ghost role.

 

That said, MYND clearly does not have a one-shot ability (given his skepticism of Aemon). I strongly suspect that all townies were given one-shot abilities (yes, I have one too, which is why I instantly believed Aemon when he said he had one, and no, I won't tell you what it is). As such, I suggest one of the following courses of action:

 

A) Lynch Alanna (because I don't believe her, and because a 1-shot healer isn't really a dramatic loss even if she's telling the truth, since the odds of guessing correctly on your one heal are extremely low);

 

B) Lynch Mynd, who is almost equally suspicious, and doesn't have a 1-shot role to use; or

 

C) No-lynch, everyone use their one-shot role tonight, and we reconvene tomorrow with more information (everyone reveals what they claim their action and result was - finds, heals, tracks, blocks, etc.) and our ghost roles triggered, if any.

 

Like I said, of all of those, lynching Alanna is my favorite option, since I think she's a LLL. So I'm not unvoting. But I'll go with the group on this if you guys want to go for plans B or C.

You just seem to have it out for me, don't ya? That bolded statement of mine, that was a joke, and you latching to the words "THE healer", that's like what you did earlier. Stop trying to make something out of nothing, please and we can get on our merry way.

 

As for Mynd, I got the same feeling off of him about the abilities, along with his uberdefense of me that put me on edge, which is where my vote came from.

 

In response to C: I don't see how that would help much, everyone is not guaranteed a ghost role, how would that help? It seems you're just trying to get the current powers off the playing board to me, so there's less to work with. What if I don't want to use my one shot yet? Better yet, do you want me to use it on you, dearest? Would that make you feel safe? After all, if I'm a LLL then I apparently don't have THE healer role (aka 1 shot ability). I loves you too.

[Kivam]

We have no deadline and yet he's pushed this lynch on AlannaLynn on weaker evidence than simply taking AK for his word. A one shot finder power? DPR are hardly that simple.

 

Spin spin, Mynd. Nobody who had a one-shot power would have reacted this way to Aemon's claim; having a one-shot power myself, questioning the existence of other one-shot powers as unlikely never even crossed my mind.

 

Day 1's gone on long enough, I think, and since this is where the trend is going, and your posts have dripped scum from, well, Day 1:

 

Unvote.

 

Vote Mynd.

Lets get a lynch, use our powers, and see what we have to work with starting Day 2.

[Kivam]

You just seem to have it out for me, don't ya? That bolded statement of mine, that was a joke, and you latching to the words "THE healer", that's like what you did earlier. Stop trying to make something out of nothing, please and we can get on our merry way.

 

Sorry, but I don't buy "it was a joke" as a defense to problematic statements in mafia unless it was clearly a joke. Anyone else think Alanna was joking?

 

In response to C: I don't see how that would help much, everyone is not guaranteed a ghost role, how would that help? It seems you're just trying to get the current powers off the playing board to me, so there's less to work with. What if I don't want to use my one shot yet? Better yet, do you want me to use it on you, dearest? Would that make you feel safe? After all, if I'm a LLL then I apparently don't have THE healer role (aka 1 shot ability). I loves you too.

 

Bad logic, Alanna. First, whoever has a ghost role needs to get it active ASAP. It does nobody any good if the player with the healer ghost-role dies on night 3 because they were hanging on to their one-time track looking for the "perfect time" to use it. Same for whoever has our ghost finder role; it would be very counter productive to hoard a one-time find if your ghost role is "finder", no? As for "getting the abilities off the board": I do that better, if I'm mafia, by people hoarding them - that way, not only do ghost roles not get triggered, but I can kill people before they use their one-time powers.

 

If we all use them tonight, on the other hand, then all but one of us, at most, will get benefit out of them (if the scum manages to kill one of us), and possibly all of us (if they target someone protected).

[alannalynn]

I can't wait to say I told you so. Ohhhh the sweet words. But I'm happier with the Mynd lynch at the moment.

[Sir Redust]

I confess I feel out of my league. Who was it that said they're "playing with the big boys"? Ditto.

 

Going by my gut, Mynd seems the most likely to be scummy at this point. You seem to be overdefensive of Alanna. I would think Sibblings, and if that's so, then perhaps being one vote away from lynhced will wet your tongue.

 

Vote Mynd

 

Current Vote Count:

 

AJ ( 3 ) – Hybrid, Dralid

Mynd ( 7 ) – Aemon, Lily, AJ, Toy, Verbal, Kivam, Redust

Lily ( 2 ) – Mynd, Wombat

 

With 14 Alive, it takes 8 to lynch.

[Krakalakachkn]

I'm tired of Mynd. He's been throwing around accusations all day and I don't find Lily suspicious at all yet. I'm leaning toward believing AL's reveal as a one-shot healer because that would have been a risky reveal without knowing others besides Aemon have one-shot roles too. It seems fairly obvious to me that Mynd doesn't have a one-shot ability, otherwise he would have reacted differently. As of now, Kiv's defense is better than Mynd and AL's attacks, so I'm inclined to believe that either he's innocent or he's playing an incredible game. Right now, I'm thinking he's not mafia. And so,

 

Vote Mynd

[Myndrunner]

Good game everyone, I'm obviously lynched at this point. All I ask is that you actually go back and read the thread and not take what a couple people claim is going on. I will flip innocent so when you re-read, consider this when you consider those who are so sure that I didn't have a one shot power. I did have one. I even said as much prior to the hammer. Alas, I will not be able to use it.

 

I was not overly defensive of AlannaLynn. I was defensive of the bandwagon.

 

I had good reason to question AemonKitten's claim. It wasn't until AlannaLynn's claim that his claim made more sense to me.

 

Kivam has yet to explain his reasons for being 95% sure of Lily's innocence.

 

Verbal should be obligated by the town to reveal what evidence he has on other possible lynches. Withholding this evidence is anti-town.

 

Please keep your personal feelings in check and use facts instead of emotion to justify your future votes. Read carefully what people are posting and remember that it is ok to question what is being said, in fact, that is what the town is supposed to do. Please don't submit to a certain player because they have a reputation for being slick. Consider how dangerous that player is if they are mafia, but more importantly, form your own opinions. Otherwise, why did you join this mafia game if you refuse to actually participate in it?

[Krakalakachkn]

crap. I didn't want to be the hammer. Pigpen posted while i was still replying. I can't remember if there's a hammer in this game, so if there isn't, Mynd I'm willing to unvote before DPR gets here if you can convince me.

[Krakalakachkn]

Damn, this is a hammer game. I dearly hope I wasn't wrong.

[Myndrunner]

Damn, this is a hammer game. I dearly hope I wasn't wrong.

 

You were wrong. Pretending that you didn't know this was a hammer game isn't going to work. Either you actually didn't know this was a hammer game, which means your vote on me was wreckless and without merit; or you are trying to cover up being the hammer. You will have a lot of 'splaining to do and if you are not mafia, you will need to go back and find someone more scummy than you look to build a case on.

 

Just sayin.

[LilyElizabeth]

Well, Kivam, you said all the things I didn't want to say. I, too, believe everyone who is town has a one shot ability and the words you quoted from Mynd were my reason to vote him. I also think he knows he blew it and has been trying to bluster and bully his way through. So, now we'll see if we were right.

 

Remember the Suras game in July? Everyone had a one time finder ability, a one time healer ability and a one time vig kill. I'm pretty sure he used only those three (if even all three) for our one shot abilities here which means duplicates. I, too, want to see what happens when we use them, but I think each person has to decide for themselves. I do think it would be a shame if the person who ends up to be finder waits to use theirs, but it's their choice to make.

[Sir Redust]

Not going to give us any info? Now that you're lynched, you got nothing to hide, do you?

[Kivam]

Well, Kivam, you said all the things I didn't want to say. I, too, believe everyone who is town has a one shot ability and the words you quoted from Mynd were my reason to vote him. I also think he knows he blew it and has been trying to bluster and bully his way through. So, now we'll see if we were right.

 

Heh - once a one-shot was claimed by Aemon, and we all reacted, the idea of catching anyone else with the "a one shot, really?!" reaction was blown, IMO.

[Myndrunner]

Not going to give us any info? Now that you're lynched, you got nothing to hide, do you?

 

 

What else would you like me to say? What info haven't I given already?

[LilyElizabeth]

Well, Kivam, you said all the things I didn't want to say. I, too, believe everyone who is town has a one shot ability and the words you quoted from Mynd were my reason to vote him. I also think he knows he blew it and has been trying to bluster and bully his way through. So, now we'll see if we were right.

 

Heh - once a one-shot was claimed by Aemon, and we all reacted, the idea of catching anyone else with the "a one shot, really?!" reaction was blown, IMO.

 

Well, if you are really town, I guess you can see where Kiv and I find your reaction suspicious rather than a tactic.

[Sir Redust]

well, we don't know what kind of coroner this will be, so any info about your role would be helpful.