Discuss Rand

[Lynchgrinch]

Rand won't bow to the seanchan, not with M/P/E/N...etc backing him, no chance. Not after what Aviendha saw in the columns, thast all gonna change. IT GOTTA CHANGE.

 

As far as Rand still having acces to the TP, i don't think he does anymore.

 

It's all to do with alignment, i think. The Link with IshyDin makes TP acces HYPOTHETICLY possible, but he need to be suitibly "evily" aligned, ie pre-VoG Rand, to actualy make that access. How could the champion of the light touch and use something that is the DO himself? It aint gonna happen.

 

The dark warp in the air in tGS was rand in 'Mega Ta'veren Dark Mode'...and now as we saw first in 'Apples First', Rand has gone 'Mega Ta'veren Light Mode'...lol

 

It's all to do with where he currently is in terms of alignment. Now that he's accepted his role as the creators champion, he ainto going darth Rand ever again, so TP aint gonna be channeled.

 

It's like a two fold link for rand to be able to reach TP.

 

 

1, direct link to IshyDin, who is linked directly to DO.

 

 

2, Dark alignment, putting him in the correct mental state to use something evil.

 

Just my two pence, might seem strange to y'all but it all makes sence in my crazed head.

 

Tell me what ya'll think, i've posted this theory many times before, when ToM wasnae out. And i'm sticking by it!!

[f3llyn]

If he was of the mindset where he was a "servant of all" as you guys say he wouldn't be making demands of anyone, he would be asking them what he should be doing. Besides that, where do we get the idea that the Aes Sedai of the AoL were servants like you guys are making them out to be? Just because Aes Sedai means "servants of all" doesn't mean they act like serving girls at an inn, or that they do what everyone else requests of them.

 

Bolded part..

Serving girls obey. Rand will not obey. But he can still kneel, because he has the humility. So, he will kneel if not just to teach these pretend AS some humility. We are talking about Rand2.0 here guys :)

Once again, it doesn't make any sense to be making demands of people and then going and bowing down to Tuon. It just doesn't fit. He would place himself above all the Monarchs at the FoM, and then go bow to Tuon? Honestly, what do you think would happen? They would see it as a huge insult and probably decide that they could appose him however they wished ala Egwene.

 

And really, humility? Did we read the same book? Did you read how he confronted Egwene? Cadsuane? He has humility for those he loves like Tam and Min, the ones who deserve it. The rest? They get issued demands for his life.

[babuada]

If he was of the mindset where he was a "servant of all" as you guys say he wouldn't be making demands of anyone, he would be asking them what he should be doing. Besides that, where do we get the idea that the Aes Sedai of the AoL were servants like you guys are making them out to be? Just because Aes Sedai means "servants of all" doesn't mean they act like serving girls at an inn, or that they do what everyone else requests of them.

 

Bolded part..

Serving girls obey. Rand will not obey. But he can still kneel, because he has the humility. So, he will kneel if not just to teach these pretend AS some humility. We are talking about Rand2.0 here guys :)

Once again, it doesn't make any sense to be making demands of people and then going and bowing down to Tuon. It just doesn't fit. He would place himself above all the Monarchs at the FoM, and then go bow to Tuon? Honestly, what do you think would happen? They would see it as a huge insult and probably decide that they could appose him however they wished ala Egwene.

 

And really, humility? Did we read the same book? Did you read how he confronted Egwene? Cadsuane? He has humility for those he loves like Tam and Min, the ones who deserve it. The rest? They get issued demands for his life.

And what about borderlander monarchs hitting him? Let alone bowing to anybody. And he did bow to everybody he met, including Egwin :). I doubt you read the bokk :)

[babuada]

That is the major point. He can show respect and demand what is required for Light.

[f3llyn]

Bowing in deference is not bowing in submission which is the only way Tuon would have him. He came to her as an equal and she turned down his proposal. Why would he bow to her after that?

[WhiskyJack]

If he was of the mindset where he was a "servant of all" as you guys say he wouldn't be making demands of anyone, he would be asking them what he should be doing. Besides that, where do we get the idea that the Aes Sedai of the AoL were servants like you guys are making them out to be? Just because Aes Sedai means "servants of all" doesn't mean they act like serving girls at an inn, or that they do what everyone else requests of them.

 

Bolded part..

Serving girls obey. Rand will not obey. But he can still kneel, because he has the humility. So, he will kneel if not just to teach these pretend AS some humility. We are talking about Rand2.0 here guys :)

Once again, it doesn't make any sense to be making demands of people and then going and bowing down to Tuon. It just doesn't fit. He would place himself above all the Monarchs at the FoM, and then go bow to Tuon? Honestly, what do you think would happen? They would see it as a huge insult and probably decide that they could appose him however they wished ala Egwene.

 

And really, humility? Did we read the same book? Did you read how he confronted Egwene? Cadsuane? He has humility for those he loves like Tam and Min, the ones who deserve it. The rest? They get issued demands for his life.

And what about borderlander monarchs hitting him? Let alone bowing to anybody. And he did bow to everybody he met, including Egwin :). I doubt you read the bokk :)

 

Bowing to Tuon will result in insulting everyone Rand leads. Him getting slapped by borderlanders was neither meant as insult nor was directed at anyone else. As for as showing respect goes, it is for him to give. Tuon expects him to kneel. Do you see the problem? He will not kneel to her because of respect but for need.

[WhiskyJack]

If he was of the mindset where he was a "servant of all" as you guys say he wouldn't be making demands of anyone, he would be asking them what he should be doing. Besides that, where do we get the idea that the Aes Sedai of the AoL were servants like you guys are making them out to be? Just because Aes Sedai means "servants of all" doesn't mean they act like serving girls at an inn, or that they do what everyone else requests of them.

 

Bolded part..

Serving girls obey. Rand will not obey. But he can still kneel, because he has the humility. So, he will kneel if not just to teach these pretend AS some humility. We are talking about Rand2.0 here guys :)

 

 

There is no evidence whatsoever that AS knew humility, ever. LTT was very arrogant and forsaken before they turned to shadow were no different. There is no such thing as true Aes Sedai, this mythical creature you are making them out to be. In AoL, they were public servants, nothing more.

[babuada]

If he was of the mindset where he was a "servant of all" as you guys say he wouldn't be making demands of anyone, he would be asking them what he should be doing. Besides that, where do we get the idea that the Aes Sedai of the AoL were servants like you guys are making them out to be? Just because Aes Sedai means "servants of all" doesn't mean they act like serving girls at an inn, or that they do what everyone else requests of them.

 

Bolded part..

Serving girls obey. Rand will not obey. But he can still kneel, because he has the humility. So, he will kneel if not just to teach these pretend AS some humility. We are talking about Rand2.0 here guys :)

Once again, it doesn't make any sense to be making demands of people and then going and bowing down to Tuon. It just doesn't fit. He would place himself above all the Monarchs at the FoM, and then go bow to Tuon? Honestly, what do you think would happen? They would see it as a huge insult and probably decide that they could appose him however they wished ala Egwene.

 

And really, humility? Did we read the same book? Did you read how he confronted Egwene? Cadsuane? He has humility for those he loves like Tam and Min, the ones who deserve it. The rest? They get issued demands for his life.

And what about borderlander monarchs hitting him? Let alone bowing to anybody. And he did bow to everybody he met, including Egwin :). I doubt you read the bokk :)

 

Bowing to Tuon will result in insulting everyone Rand leads. Him getting slapped by borderlanders was neither meant as insult nor was directed at anyone else. As for as showing respect goes, it is for him to give. Tuon expects him to kneel. Do you see the problem? He will not kneel to her because of respect but for need.

The insult happens only if he kneels only to Tuon. If he bows to everybody including Tuon showing respect, then nobody would have any issue.

[WhiskyJack]

If he was of the mindset where he was a "servant of all" as you guys say he wouldn't be making demands of anyone, he would be asking them what he should be doing. Besides that, where do we get the idea that the Aes Sedai of the AoL were servants like you guys are making them out to be? Just because Aes Sedai means "servants of all" doesn't mean they act like serving girls at an inn, or that they do what everyone else requests of them.

 

Bolded part..

Serving girls obey. Rand will not obey. But he can still kneel, because he has the humility. So, he will kneel if not just to teach these pretend AS some humility. We are talking about Rand2.0 here guys :)

Once again, it doesn't make any sense to be making demands of people and then going and bowing down to Tuon. It just doesn't fit. He would place himself above all the Monarchs at the FoM, and then go bow to Tuon? Honestly, what do you think would happen? They would see it as a huge insult and probably decide that they could appose him however they wished ala Egwene.

 

And really, humility? Did we read the same book? Did you read how he confronted Egwene? Cadsuane? He has humility for those he loves like Tam and Min, the ones who deserve it. The rest? They get issued demands for his life.

And what about borderlander monarchs hitting him? Let alone bowing to anybody. And he did bow to everybody he met, including Egwin :). I doubt you read the bokk :)

 

Bowing to Tuon will result in insulting everyone Rand leads. Him getting slapped by borderlanders was neither meant as insult nor was directed at anyone else. As for as showing respect goes, it is for him to give. Tuon expects him to kneel. Do you see the problem? He will not kneel to her because of respect but for need.

The insult happens only if he kneens only to Tuon. If he bows to everybody including Tuon showing respect, then nobody would have any issue.

 

 

Everybody? Who is that? Showing respect is not same as kneeling. Even kings can show respect to their citizen. Kneeling implies putting yourself below.

[babuada]

If he was of the mindset where he was a "servant of all" as you guys say he wouldn't be making demands of anyone, he would be asking them what he should be doing. Besides that, where do we get the idea that the Aes Sedai of the AoL were servants like you guys are making them out to be? Just because Aes Sedai means "servants of all" doesn't mean they act like serving girls at an inn, or that they do what everyone else requests of them.

 

Bolded part..

Serving girls obey. Rand will not obey. But he can still kneel, because he has the humility. So, he will kneel if not just to teach these pretend AS some humility. We are talking about Rand2.0 here guys :)

 

 

There is no evidence whatsoever that AS knew humility, ever. LTT was very arrogant and forsaken before they turned to shadow were no different. There is no such thing as true Aes Sedai, this mythical creature you are making them out to be. In AoL, they were public servants, nothing more.

But Rand2.0 is not any AS. That is the point. He is different from all others. He knows humility and shows respect. He is the DRAGON REBORN

[WhiskyJack]

If he was of the mindset where he was a "servant of all" as you guys say he wouldn't be making demands of anyone, he would be asking them what he should be doing. Besides that, where do we get the idea that the Aes Sedai of the AoL were servants like you guys are making them out to be? Just because Aes Sedai means "servants of all" doesn't mean they act like serving girls at an inn, or that they do what everyone else requests of them.

 

Bolded part..

Serving girls obey. Rand will not obey. But he can still kneel, because he has the humility. So, he will kneel if not just to teach these pretend AS some humility. We are talking about Rand2.0 here guys :)

 

There is no evidence whatsoever that AS knew humility, ever. LTT was very arrogant and forsaken before they turned to shadow were no different. There is no such thing as true Aes Sedai, this mythical creature you are making them out to be. In AoL, they were public servants, nothing more.

But Rand2.0 is not any AS. That is the point. He is different from all others. He knows humility and shows respect. He is the DRAGON REBORN

 

Er... then why are you calling him true AS, whatever that means?

 

P.S: LTT was dragon. That word doesn't mean much does it seeing how arrogant LTT was.

[babuada]

Although I doubt he would kneel before Tuon, but for a different reason. I think Seanchan are followers of DO to the boot. They just did not realise yet :). Rand would show it to them and they would just freak out.

[babuada]

If he was of the mindset where he was a "servant of all" as you guys say he wouldn't be making demands of anyone, he would be asking them what he should be doing. Besides that, where do we get the idea that the Aes Sedai of the AoL were servants like you guys are making them out to be? Just because Aes Sedai means "servants of all" doesn't mean they act like serving girls at an inn, or that they do what everyone else requests of them.

 

Bolded part..

Serving girls obey. Rand will not obey. But he can still kneel, because he has the humility. So, he will kneel if not just to teach these pretend AS some humility. We are talking about Rand2.0 here guys :)

 

There is no evidence whatsoever that AS knew humility, ever. LTT was very arrogant and forsaken before they turned to shadow were no different. There is no such thing as true Aes Sedai, this mythical creature you are making them out to be. In AoL, they were public servants, nothing more.

But Rand2.0 is not any AS. That is the point. He is different from all others. He knows humility and shows respect. He is the DRAGON REBORN

 

Er... then why are you calling him true AS, whatever that means?

 

P.S: LTT was dragon. That word doesn't mean much does it seeing how arrogant LTT was.

LTT was just Dragon, not Rand2.0 with his eyes open. Rand himself acknowledged the difference.

[babuada]

Rand2.0 is even better than LTT ever was.

[WhiskyJack]

If he was of the mindset where he was a "servant of all" as you guys say he wouldn't be making demands of anyone, he would be asking them what he should be doing. Besides that, where do we get the idea that the Aes Sedai of the AoL were servants like you guys are making them out to be? Just because Aes Sedai means "servants of all" doesn't mean they act like serving girls at an inn, or that they do what everyone else requests of them.

 

Bolded part..

Serving girls obey. Rand will not obey. But he can still kneel, because he has the humility. So, he will kneel if not just to teach these pretend AS some humility. We are talking about Rand2.0 here guys :)

 

There is no evidence whatsoever that AS knew humility, ever. LTT was very arrogant and forsaken before they turned to shadow were no different. There is no such thing as true Aes Sedai, this mythical creature you are making them out to be. In AoL, they were public servants, nothing more.

But Rand2.0 is not any AS. That is the point. He is different from all others. He knows humility and shows respect. He is the DRAGON REBORN

 

Er... then why are you calling him true AS, whatever that means?

 

P.S: LTT was dragon. That word doesn't mean much does it seeing how arrogant LTT was.

LTT was just Dragon, not Rand2.0 with his eyes open. Rand himself acknowledged the difference.

 

 

LOL. Just Dragon! So original is just and one who follows...Dragon means nothing. It's Rand who defines DR and not the other way around.

[babuada]

If he was of the mindset where he was a "servant of all" as you guys say he wouldn't be making demands of anyone, he would be asking them what he should be doing. Besides that, where do we get the idea that the Aes Sedai of the AoL were servants like you guys are making them out to be? Just because Aes Sedai means "servants of all" doesn't mean they act like serving girls at an inn, or that they do what everyone else requests of them.

 

Bolded part..

Serving girls obey. Rand will not obey. But he can still kneel, because he has the humility. So, he will kneel if not just to teach these pretend AS some humility. We are talking about Rand2.0 here guys :)

 

There is no evidence whatsoever that AS knew humility, ever. LTT was very arrogant and forsaken before they turned to shadow were no different. There is no such thing as true Aes Sedai, this mythical creature you are making them out to be. In AoL, they were public servants, nothing more.

But Rand2.0 is not any AS. That is the point. He is different from all others. He knows humility and shows respect. He is the DRAGON REBORN

 

Er... then why are you calling him true AS, whatever that means?

 

P.S: LTT was dragon. That word doesn't mean much does it seeing how arrogant LTT was.

Where did you see LTT arrogant btw?

[WhiskyJack]

Rand2.0 is even better than LTT ever was.

 

 

Rand 2.0 is mostly LTT. Without flawed LTT, there won't be a Rand 2.0.

[WhiskyJack]

If he was of the mindset where he was a "servant of all" as you guys say he wouldn't be making demands of anyone, he would be asking them what he should be doing. Besides that, where do we get the idea that the Aes Sedai of the AoL were servants like you guys are making them out to be? Just because Aes Sedai means "servants of all" doesn't mean they act like serving girls at an inn, or that they do what everyone else requests of them.

 

Bolded part..

Serving girls obey. Rand will not obey. But he can still kneel, because he has the humility. So, he will kneel if not just to teach these pretend AS some humility. We are talking about Rand2.0 here guys :)

 

There is no evidence whatsoever that AS knew humility, ever. LTT was very arrogant and forsaken before they turned to shadow were no different. There is no such thing as true Aes Sedai, this mythical creature you are making them out to be. In AoL, they were public servants, nothing more.

But Rand2.0 is not any AS. That is the point. He is different from all others. He knows humility and shows respect. He is the DRAGON REBORN

 

Er... then why are you calling him true AS, whatever that means?

 

P.S: LTT was dragon. That word doesn't mean much does it seeing how arrogant LTT was.

Where did you see LTT arrogant btw?

 

 

See? His mad rantings ofcourse..and then how he viewed his friends...

[babuada]

If he was of the mindset where he was a "servant of all" as you guys say he wouldn't be making demands of anyone, he would be asking them what he should be doing. Besides that, where do we get the idea that the Aes Sedai of the AoL were servants like you guys are making them out to be? Just because Aes Sedai means "servants of all" doesn't mean they act like serving girls at an inn, or that they do what everyone else requests of them.

 

Bolded part..

Serving girls obey. Rand will not obey. But he can still kneel, because he has the humility. So, he will kneel if not just to teach these pretend AS some humility. We are talking about Rand2.0 here guys :)

 

There is no evidence whatsoever that AS knew humility, ever. LTT was very arrogant and forsaken before they turned to shadow were no different. There is no such thing as true Aes Sedai, this mythical creature you are making them out to be. In AoL, they were public servants, nothing more.

But Rand2.0 is not any AS. That is the point. He is different from all others. He knows humility and shows respect. He is the DRAGON REBORN

 

Er... then why are you calling him true AS, whatever that means?

 

P.S: LTT was dragon. That word doesn't mean much does it seeing how arrogant LTT was.

LTT was just Dragon, not Rand2.0 with his eyes open. Rand himself acknowledged the difference.

 

 

LOL. Just Dragon! So original is just and one who follows...Dragon means nothing. It's Rand who defines DR and not the other way around.

You missed the point. DRAGON REBORN (Rand2.0) is even better than the original Dragon.

[babuada]

If he was of the mindset where he was a "servant of all" as you guys say he wouldn't be making demands of anyone, he would be asking them what he should be doing. Besides that, where do we get the idea that the Aes Sedai of the AoL were servants like you guys are making them out to be? Just because Aes Sedai means "servants of all" doesn't mean they act like serving girls at an inn, or that they do what everyone else requests of them.

 

Bolded part..

Serving girls obey. Rand will not obey. But he can still kneel, because he has the humility. So, he will kneel if not just to teach these pretend AS some humility. We are talking about Rand2.0 here guys :)

 

There is no evidence whatsoever that AS knew humility, ever. LTT was very arrogant and forsaken before they turned to shadow were no different. There is no such thing as true Aes Sedai, this mythical creature you are making them out to be. In AoL, they were public servants, nothing more.

But Rand2.0 is not any AS. That is the point. He is different from all others. He knows humility and shows respect. He is the DRAGON REBORN

 

Er... then why are you calling him true AS, whatever that means?

 

P.S: LTT was dragon. That word doesn't mean much does it seeing how arrogant LTT was.

Where did you see LTT arrogant btw?

 

 

See? His mad rantings ofcourse..and then how he viewed his friends...

Yes. Mad ranting. Not before he was mad. That is the point. You do not have any direct POV of LTT to show his arrogance.

[babuada]

Now that we have Rand2.0, we have the not mad LTT too. If you just read the book you can find the difference yourself even without any of Rand(LTT) POV

[f3llyn]

What's got you so set on this bowing business? Kneeling implies he would be less than even the people he is making demands of. How can you follow the demands of some one who is less than you? Again it makes absolutely no sense and that's part of why Aviendha's vision of the future when he bows to Tuon resulted in failure.

 

There's no way he can kneel/bow to the Seanchan and still retain equal footing with them or his people, as he has taken to calling everyone.

[WhiskyJack]

Now that we have Rand2.0, we have the not mad LTT too. If you just read the book you can find the difference yourself even without any of Rand(LTT) POV

 

 

Sorry but I haven't joined Rand Al'Thor fan group. I read WOT series.

[WhiskyJack]

What's got you so set on this bowing business? Kneeling implies he would be less than even the people he is making demands of. How can you follow the demands of some one who is less than you? Again it makes absolutely no sense and that's part of why Aviendha's vision of the future when he bows to Tuon resulted in failure.

 

There's no way he can kneel/bow to the Seanchan and still retain equal footing with them or his people, as he has taken to calling everyone.

 

 

He knelt out of sheer desperation I bet. I guess he thought that Seanchan were better than Shadow.

[babuada]

But he can make this seemingly impossible happen. He can bow in respect showing humility even from the Position of power and authority. Only those pretend AS and power hungry Monarchs think that it would cause them to lose authority. He'll teach them humility and show them it does not cause him to lose anything, because he is not hungry for Power. Daughter of nine moon will still be bound to him because he is the true representative of Light. If she is for light, she does not have any alternative. Same goes for every one else including those pretend AS.