Moiraine

[Deadsy]

Yes, I think it will be an interesting scene when and if Lan/Moiraine confront each other. I think Lan will throw her in another lake.

 

What are you smoking? He'll thank her profusely. She did what she did for Lan and Nynaeve. If by "throw her in another lake" you mean "cry on her" then I take back what I said.

[f3llyn]

Regardless of why she did it, it's the how that matters(he had no choice in the matter). Anyways, I don't think he has any reason to hate her but I think it would be funny. I think you're misunderstanding me. Remember one of if not the first time they meet Lan tosses her in a lake. So it would be a hilarious reunion.

[dwn]

From Moghedion's PoV we know that mindtrapping only works on someone who can channel. It's not conclusive, but it strongly suggests that Lanfear was either never severed, or severed and healed before she was bound with the mindtrap.

 

Before ToM, being severed and healed by a woman was the most likely explanation for Cyndane's loss of strength. Now that we know the *Finns feed off the ability, it's more likely they drained Lanfear a bit before Moridin secured her release.

 

As someone mentioned above, there's no reason Moridin would have killed Lanfear, so she was likely killed by the *Finns either by being drained too fast, or as a snarky fulfillment of Moridin's release demand.

 

Another remote, but amusing, possibility I've mentioned before is that the Cyndane body isn't a transmigration by the DO, but a nasty result of one of Lanfear's three demands.

 

-- dwn

[Danvighar]

Someone brought up oh.. around page 3 or 4, that Thom's reactions and such are somewhat OOC.

 

I'm thinking this is an actual case of "RJ wrote the scene years ago, did not revise it as events and characterizations changed, then BS was afraid to touch anything with it being so complete".

 

 

Of course, being Aes Sedai... if she'd thrown the angreal away, that's not to say she couldn't then pick it back up a few hours later, stick it in a belt pouch, and wait for a better time to talk to Thom about it.

[Deadsy]

I'm thinking this is an actual case of "RJ wrote the scene years ago, did not revise it as events and characterizations changed, then BS was afraid to touch anything with it being so complete".

 

A better explanation is that it wasn't OOC at all

[Sharaman]

Loss of channeling ability is a very generic term. Nynaeve can heal "stilling" means the channeler can sense the source but cannot reach it. What Finns do is probably is altogether different thing. They literally suck the channeling ability out of you (essentially turning you into a non channler). That's why Moiraine is such a weak channeler now. It's not the same as being stilled. I think I have made this point many times.

 

Looks like we have come back to the place we started this conversion. Moraine is not stilled and yet she can barely channel. This is not something Nynaeve can heal.

 

We don't have a clear explanation for what the Finn do.

You happen to believe that their version of draining OP is not something that can healed.

You have little textual evidence to back your descriptions of "probably altogether different" and "literally suck"; just a non-technical description by Moiraine, given to non-channelers.

Moiraine can (obviously) sense the source, how do you know Lanfear couldn't?

 

I happen to believe the Finn method can either be healed directly or failing that, a stilling, killing, transmigration, healing process will be enough.

 

Going by your belief, the difference between Cyndane-Lanfear in strength is what the Finns drained.

Since Cyndane is still an extremely strong channeler, they could not have drained very much.

In that case, even if it was done very fast, she wouldn't have died.

We know that you can lose 100% of channeling ability instantly and live.

I'd suggest that they would have had to drain a lot or almost everything for shock to kill Lanfear.

 

In that case, she was healed or restored in some fashion.

At the time when it was done, the only method known was Nynaeve's

 

<BTW although we've heard only third party that the Finns killed Lanfear, it should be noted that all the textual evidence shows they twist truth; they don't lie outright. (This also gels with Faerie myth). So if they said flat out they killed her, there is reason to believe they did.

Also, we have no clue whether the man arrived before or after they killed her. The Finns may even have set that as a price for the bargain.>

[WhiskyJack]

Loss of channeling ability is a very generic term. Nynaeve can heal "stilling" means the channeler can sense the source but cannot reach it. What Finns do is probably is altogether different thing. They literally suck the channeling ability out of you (essentially turning you into a non channler). That's why Moiraine is such a weak channeler now. It's not the same as being stilled. I think I have made this point many times.

 

Looks like we have come back to the place we started this conversion. Moraine is not stilled and yet she can barely channel. This is not something Nynaeve can heal.

 

We don't have a clear explanation for what the Finn do.

You happen to believe that their version of draining OP is not something that can healed.

You have little textual evidence to back your descriptions of "probably altogether different" and "literally suck"; just a non-technical description by Moiraine, given to non-channelers.

Moiraine can (obviously) sense the source, how do you know Lanfear couldn't?

 

I happen to believe the Finn method can either be healed directly or failing that, a stilling, killing, transmigration, healing process will be enough.

Going by your belief, the difference between Cyndane-Lanfear in strength is what the Finns drained.

Since Cyndane is still an extremely strong channeler, they could not have drained very much.

In that case, even if it was done very fast, she wouldn't have died.

We know that you can lose 100% of channeling ability instantly and live.

I'd suggest that they would have had to drain a lot or almost everything for shock to kill Lanfear.

 

In that case, she was healed or restored in some fashion.

At the time when it was done, the only method known was Nynaeve's

 

<BTW although we've heard only third party that the Finns killed Lanfear, it should be noted that all the textual evidence shows they twist truth; they don't lie outright. (This also gels with Faerie myth). So if they said flat out they killed her, there is reason to believe they did.

Also, we have no clue whether the man arrived before or after they killed her. The Finns may even have set that as a price for the bargain.>

 

 

Unfortunately I am not the one passing a theory. See what I am saying. I don't need to back up anything. Onus of proof is on you, right? If you put a theory purely based on your personal believe that you should expect people to not agree with it. Too many assumptions make for poor theory though you kinda implied it was all supported by book indirectly.

 

Also, we don't know how Lanfear died so all theories around it are pure conjecture. I simply proposed a simpler theory that didn't require complicated severing, black ajah learned healing and what not. Simple is the key here, not right or wrong. We do know for fact that Finns can reduce your channeling ability. We don't know for fact that such scar can be healed or some BJ sister had ability to do so. So simple theory to explain something that is nothing more than whatifs.

 

P.S: Moiraine can sense the source because she still can channel.

[Sharaman]

Loss of channeling ability is a very generic term. Nynaeve can heal "stilling" means the channeler can sense the source but cannot reach it. What Finns do is probably is altogether different thing. They literally suck the channeling ability out of you (essentially turning you into a non channler). That's why Moiraine is such a weak channeler now. It's not the same as being stilled. I think I have made this point many times.

 

Looks like we have come back to the place we started this conversion. Moraine is not stilled and yet she can barely channel. This is not something Nynaeve can heal.

 

We don't have a clear explanation for what the Finn do.

You happen to believe that their version of draining OP is not something that can healed.

You have little textual evidence to back your descriptions of "probably altogether different" and "literally suck"; just a non-technical description by Moiraine, given to non-channelers.

Moiraine can (obviously) sense the source, how do you know Lanfear couldn't?

 

I happen to believe the Finn method can either be healed directly or failing that, a stilling, killing, transmigration, healing process will be enough.

Going by your belief, the difference between Cyndane-Lanfear in strength is what the Finns drained.

Since Cyndane is still an extremely strong channeler, they could not have drained very much.

In that case, even if it was done very fast, she wouldn't have died.

We know that you can lose 100% of channeling ability instantly and live.

I'd suggest that they would have had to drain a lot or almost everything for shock to kill Lanfear.

 

In that case, she was healed or restored in some fashion.

At the time when it was done, the only method known was Nynaeve's

 

<BTW although we've heard only third party that the Finns killed Lanfear, it should be noted that all the textual evidence shows they twist truth; they don't lie outright. (This also gels with Faerie myth). So if they said flat out they killed her, there is reason to believe they did.

Also, we have no clue whether the man arrived before or after they killed her. The Finns may even have set that as a price for the bargain.>

 

 

Unfortunately I am not the one passing a theory. See what I am saying. I don't need to back up anything. Onus of proof is on you, right? If you put a theory purely based on your personal believe that you should expect people to not agree with it. Too many assumptions make for poor theory though you kinda implied it was all supported by book indirectly.

 

Also, we don't know how Lanfear died so all theories around it are pure conjecture. I simply proposed a simpler theory that didn't require complicated severing, black ajah learned healing and what not. Simple is the key here, not right or wrong. We do know for fact that Finns can reduce your channeling ability. We don't know for fact that such scar can be healed or some BJ sister had ability to do so. So simple theory to explain something that is nothing more than whatifs.

 

P.S: Moiraine can sense the source because she still can channel.

No, I am pointing that your earlier contention that Lanfear was not healed is at the least, doubtful.

Your belief she cannot be healed requires at least as many assumptions as my belief that she can be healed.

The difference is that I am bothering to supporting my belief and my assumptions with textual reasons.

[WhiskyJack]

 

No, I am pointing that your earlier contention that Lanfear was not healed is at the least, doubtful.

Your belief she cannot be healed requires at least as many assumptions as my belief that she can be healed.

The difference is that I am bothering to supporting my belief and my assumptions with textual reasons.

 

 

1) Black sisters must have learned it.

2) Lanfear must have been severed and trans and then healed..

3).....

 

 

Sorry but these are not evidence...

 

Why Lanfear was not healed? Because we don't know what draining of power truly is. It's not severing something you assumed for some reason. Severing cuts you of from TS (but it doesn't affect your strength in OP) even though you can still sense it but draining literally weakens your ability to channel. So yes, I don't believe Lanfear was severed and healed because we have not seen the kind of healing you are asking for. Ability to channel is innate ability and one is born with it. It cannot be "healed". Nyn's healing simply reconnects you to true source. It cannot regenerate your strength in one power something you are proposing. If Nyn's actually had healed Lanfear, she would have even weaker than what Finns left her to be.

[Sharaman]

 

No, I am pointing that your earlier contention that Lanfear was not healed is at the least, doubtful.

Your belief she cannot be healed requires at least as many assumptions as my belief that she can be healed.

The difference is that I am bothering to supporting my belief and my assumptions with textual reasons.

 

 

1) Black sisters must have learned it.

2) Lanfear must have been severed and trans and then healed..

3).....

 

 

Sorry but these are not evidence...

 

Why Lanfear was not healed? Because we don't know what draining of power truly is. It's not severing something you assumed for some reason. Severing cuts you of from TS (but it doesn't affect your strength in OP) even though you can still sense it but draining literally weakens your ability to channel. So yes, I don't believe Lanfear was severed and healed because we have not seen the kind of healing you are asking for. Ability to channel is innate ability and one is born with it. It cannot be "healed". Nyn's healing simply reconnects you to true source. It cannot regenerate your strength in one power something you are proposing. If Nyn's actually had healed Lanfear, she would have even weaker than what Finns left her to be.

 

So you suggest that Lanfear died because they drained relatively little power -since Cyndane is still among the most powerful of channelers?

You therefore assume that the Finn method of draining can kill channelers through some drainage, whereas we know channelers can survive the shock of instantaneous 100% depletion.

Why are you assuming this?

Do you have textual support for those assumptions?

Why are your assumptions any "simpler" than assuming the Finn drainage method can be healed?

How do you know it doesn't damage the channeling "bridge" in a manner that can be repaired as with stilling?

Are you not making assumptions unsupported by evidence?

 

My assumptions are supported by evidence.

[Jeangray]

 

1) Black sisters must have learned it.

 

We have seen them learning it, so it isn't much of a conjecture.

 

Ability to channel is innate ability and one is born with it. It cannot be "healed". Nyn's healing simply reconnects you to true source.

 

Well, I remember that somebody or other thought that Nynaeve's method could also be used to heal a burnout. It is true that we haven't seen it yet. What the Finn do looks like a controlled and slowed down burnout to me.

 

Speaking of Thom being OOC - he was, since in his chapters with Elayne it was crystal clear that he had no problems with channeling women anymore. So, why bring it up with Moiraine?

[johthohar]

 

No, I am pointing that your earlier contention that Lanfear was not healed is at the least, doubtful.

Your belief she cannot be healed requires at least as many assumptions as my belief that she can be healed.

The difference is that I am bothering to supporting my belief and my assumptions with textual reasons.

 

 

1) Black sisters must have learned it.

2) Lanfear must have been severed and trans and then healed..

3).....

 

 

Sorry but these are not evidence...

 

Why Lanfear was not healed? Because we don't know what draining of power truly is. It's not severing something you assumed for some reason. Severing cuts you of from TS (but it doesn't affect your strength in OP) even though you can still sense it but draining literally weakens your ability to channel. So yes, I don't believe Lanfear was severed and healed because we have not seen the kind of healing you are asking for. Ability to channel is innate ability and one is born with it. It cannot be "healed". Nyn's healing simply reconnects you to true source. It cannot regenerate your strength in one power something you are proposing. If Nyn's actually had healed Lanfear, she would have even weaker than what Finns left her to be.

Trying my best not to get drawn into this argument but it sounds like you are both making a LOT of assumptions. The one that particularly sticks out to me is your assertions that the Finns drained her "ability to channel". That seems to be what most of your arguments are based on. All Moiraine said was that they feed on the OP. I may have missed something but where did this theory come from? To me all signs point toward them feeding on the power its self. It is never implied that they feed on the "ability" of channelers.

[Zentari]

 

Trying my best not to get drawn into this argument but it sounds like you are both making a LOT of assumptions. The one that particularly sticks out to me is your assertions that the Finns drained her "ability to channel". That seems to be what most of your arguments are based on. All Moiraine said was that they feed on the OP. I may have missed something but where did this theory come from? To me all signs point toward them feeding on the power its self. It is never implied that they feed on the "ability" of channelers.

Yet, if that was true Lanfear would still be at the top of her power so we can assume that it alters their ability to channel SOMEHOW.

[AnthonyJamesEnglish]

We also have to consider that the Finns have a way to FORCE them to channel, i doubt they did it of their own accord.

[WhiskyJack]

 

No, I am pointing that your earlier contention that Lanfear was not healed is at the least, doubtful.

Your belief she cannot be healed requires at least as many assumptions as my belief that she can be healed.

The difference is that I am bothering to supporting my belief and my assumptions with textual reasons.

 

 

1) Black sisters must have learned it.

2) Lanfear must have been severed and trans and then healed..

3).....

 

 

Sorry but these are not evidence...

 

Why Lanfear was not healed? Because we don't know what draining of power truly is. It's not severing something you assumed for some reason. Severing cuts you of from TS (but it doesn't affect your strength in OP) even though you can still sense it but draining literally weakens your ability to channel. So yes, I don't believe Lanfear was severed and healed because we have not seen the kind of healing you are asking for. Ability to channel is innate ability and one is born with it. It cannot be "healed". Nyn's healing simply reconnects you to true source. It cannot regenerate your strength in one power something you are proposing. If Nyn's actually had healed Lanfear, she would have even weaker than what Finns left her to be.

 

So you suggest that Lanfear died because they drained relatively little power -since Cyndane is still among the most powerful of channelers?

You therefore assume that the Finn method of draining can kill channelers through some drainage, whereas we know channelers can survive the shock of instantaneous 100% depletion.

Why are you assuming this?

Do you have textual support for those assumptions?

Why are your assumptions any "simpler" than assuming the Finn drainage method can be healed?

How do you know it doesn't damage the channeling "bridge" in a manner that can be repaired as with stilling?

Are you not making assumptions unsupported by evidence?

 

My assumptions are supported by evidence.

 

This is an adult conversion remember. I hope you not throwing a fit over this...

 

1)I am not suggesting anything like that. I am simply pointing to the fact Lanfear was drained and Cyndane is weaker in power than Lanfear. Much easier to "assume" that at Cyndane level Finns were interrupted by the man who came to pick Lanfear. Afterall, Lanfear stayed in Flinn world for small period of time and even after this much time, Moiraine can still channel

2)Another silliness. I never said anything like that. In fact I recall you making couple of post supporting that. And how do we know what? Again, mixing the stilling with Power draining, eh?

3)Trust me, any assumption I make actually has me saying that I am making an assumption and I don't seem to recall making such assumption. Don't have to. I just care about what we know for fact. Lanfear was drained. She died. Cyndane is weaker than Lanfear. These things are facts and my "crappy" theory only takes these 3 into consideration.

4)Because they are based on fact? Are you really arguing over healing a condition like one Moiraine has? Can you extend your logic and assume that Nynaeve can actually restore Moiraine to her former self?

5)Lanfear was drained. She died somehow. Someone came to pick her from Finn world. She was alive at this moment or she was not, doesn't matter really. But she was drained. And she must have died somewhere. Cyndane is born with weaker in power than Lanfear. Now how many assumptions are there really? If the guy only got dead Lanfear (he must have because Cyndane is there) and restored Lanfear in Cyndane's body but weaker in power, how much of that is my assumption?

 

Now Black Ajah learning a healing not yet seen in book yet, Cyndane getting severed (for what possible reason!!) and then getting "healed" back is in your opinion is based on textual evidence? We know that if you can channel only X amount before severing, that's what you will get at max after healing. Now in case of Lanfear X was what Finns left her with and not what originally she had with because that would defeat the very idea of power draining! Just look at Moariane who can barely channel now. So severing and healing Moraine (by a woman) will actually result in her losing even that small ability to channel!

[WhiskyJack]

 

1) Black sisters must have learned it.

 

We have seen them learning it, so it isn't much of a conjecture.

 

Ability to channel is innate ability and one is born with it. It cannot be "healed". Nyn's healing simply reconnects you to true source.

 

Well, I remember that somebody or other thought that Nynaeve's method could also be used to heal a burnout. It is true that we haven't seen it yet. What the Finn do looks like a controlled and slowed down burnout to me.

 

Speaking of Thom being OOC - he was, since in his chapters with Elayne it was crystal clear that he had no problems with channeling women anymore. So, why bring it up with Moiraine?

 

 

Well we have seen many sisters watching Nyn balefire the hell out of that ter'angreal. Are you saying they can all do it now?

 

And I welcome the quote from book about burnout.

[AnthonyJamesEnglish]

Just look at Moariane who can barely channel now. So severing and healing Moraine (by a woman) will actually result in her losing even that small ability to channel!

 

Thats only if healed by a Aes Sedai, if An Asha'man healed she would be back to what she was post severing.

[johthohar]

 

Trying my best not to get drawn into this argument but it sounds like you are both making a LOT of assumptions. The one that particularly sticks out to me is your assertions that the Finns drained her "ability to channel". That seems to be what most of your arguments are based on. All Moiraine said was that they feed on the OP. I may have missed something but where did this theory come from? To me all signs point toward them feeding on the power its self. It is never implied that they feed on the "ability" of channelers.

Yet, if that was true Lanfear would still be at the top of her power so we can assume that it alters their ability to channel SOMEHOW.

False. Well.... Not entirely. You can assume whatever you want but we have no way to know for sure why Lanfear/Cyndane's channeling prowess was reduced. It's implied that she was drained entirely. If that is the case she wouldn't be able to even sense the source. Much less channel. Personally, I think it's a mFalse. Well.... Not entirely. You can assume whatever you want but we have no way to know for sure why Lanfear/Cyndane's channeling prowess was reduced. It's implied that she was drained entirely. If that is the case she wouldn't be able to even sense the source. Much less channel. Personally, I think it's a moot point sense its pretty clear that her having the bracelet angreal was a predetermined solution to the problem of her reduced ability so BS probably won't bother addressing the healing can/can't issue but I think its very interesting to discuss which is why I brought it up a few pages back.

[WhiskyJack]

 

No, I am pointing that your earlier contention that Lanfear was not healed is at the least, doubtful.

Your belief she cannot be healed requires at least as many assumptions as my belief that she can be healed.

The difference is that I am bothering to supporting my belief and my assumptions with textual reasons.

 

 

1) Black sisters must have learned it.

2) Lanfear must have been severed and trans and then healed..

3).....

 

 

Sorry but these are not evidence...

 

Why Lanfear was not healed? Because we don't know what draining of power truly is. It's not severing something you assumed for some reason. Severing cuts you of from TS (but it doesn't affect your strength in OP) even though you can still sense it but draining literally weakens your ability to channel. So yes, I don't believe Lanfear was severed and healed because we have not seen the kind of healing you are asking for. Ability to channel is innate ability and one is born with it. It cannot be "healed". Nyn's healing simply reconnects you to true source. It cannot regenerate your strength in one power something you are proposing. If Nyn's actually had healed Lanfear, she would have even weaker than what Finns left her to be.

Trying my best not to get drawn into this argument but it sounds like you are both making a LOT of assumptions. The one that particularly sticks out to me is your assertions that the Finns drained her "ability to channel". That seems to be what most of your arguments are based on. All Moiraine said was that they feed on the OP. I may have missed something but where did this theory come from? To me all signs point toward them feeding on the power its self. It is never implied that they feed on the "ability" of channelers.

 

 

Where? Moraine said that she can barely channel now and with that angreal she be more powerful than she was before. That's where;)

[WhiskyJack]

Just look at Moariane who can barely channel now. So severing and healing Moraine (by a woman) will actually result in her losing even that small ability to channel!

 

Thats only if healed by a Aes Sedai, if An Asha'man healed she would be back to what she was post severing.

 

 

You mean pre-severing? yes she would be.

[WhiskyJack]

 

Trying my best not to get drawn into this argument but it sounds like you are both making a LOT of assumptions. The one that particularly sticks out to me is your assertions that the Finns drained her "ability to channel". That seems to be what most of your arguments are based on. All Moiraine said was that they feed on the OP. I may have missed something but where did this theory come from? To me all signs point toward them feeding on the power its self. It is never implied that they feed on the "ability" of channelers.

Yet, if that was true Lanfear would still be at the top of her power so we can assume that it alters their ability to channel SOMEHOW.

False. Well.... Not entirely. You can assume whatever you want but we have no way to know for sure why Lanfear/Cyndane's channeling prowess was reduced. It's implied that she was drained entirely. If that is the case she wouldn't be able to even sense the source. Much less channel. Personally, I think it's a mFalse. Well.... Not entirely. You can assume whatever you want but we have no way to know for sure why Lanfear/Cyndane's channeling prowess was reduced. It's implied that she was drained entirely. If that is the case she wouldn't be able to even sense the source. Much less channel. Personally, I think it's a moot point sense its pretty clear that her having the bracelet angreal was a predetermined solution to the problem of her reduced ability so BS probably won't bother addressing the healing can/can't issue but I think its very interesting to discuss which is why I brought it up a few pages back.

 

Moairane said that they might have been lying. I kinda believe her.

[AnthonyJamesEnglish]

Just look at Moariane who can barely channel now. So severing and healing Moraine (by a woman) will actually result in her losing even that small ability to channel!

 

Thats only if healed by a Aes Sedai, if An Asha'man healed she would be back to what she was post severing.

 

 

You mean pre-severing? yes she would be.

 

Yes pre severing lol >.< Friggin exam time my mind is complete mush. i also didn't catch you had put aes sedai already in there :B

[johthohar]

Just look at Moariane who can barely channel now. So severing and healing Moraine (by a woman) will actually result in her losing even that small ability to channel!

 

Thats only if healed by a Aes Sedai, if An Asha'man healed she would be back to what she was post severing.

Any chance you meant pre? Post severing she would have no ability at all.... Or did you mean post draining? That would make sense.

 

P.S. Editing the bold text into your post was extremely difficult on my phone.... Just wanted you to know that.

[Zentari]

 

Trying my best not to get drawn into this argument but it sounds like you are both making a LOT of assumptions. The one that particularly sticks out to me is your assertions that the Finns drained her "ability to channel". That seems to be what most of your arguments are based on. All Moiraine said was that they feed on the OP. I may have missed something but where did this theory come from? To me all signs point toward them feeding on the power its self. It is never implied that they feed on the "ability" of channelers.

Yet, if that was true Lanfear would still be at the top of her power so we can assume that it alters their ability to channel SOMEHOW.

False. Well.... Not entirely. You can assume whatever you want but we have no way to know for sure why Lanfear/Cyndane's channeling prowess was reduced. It's implied that she was drained entirely. If that is the case she wouldn't be able to even sense the source. Much less channel. Personally, I think it's a mFalse. Well.... Not entirely. You can assume whatever you want but we have no way to know for sure why Lanfear/Cyndane's channeling prowess was reduced. It's implied that she was drained entirely. If that is the case she wouldn't be able to even sense the source. Much less channel. Personally, I think it's a moot point sense its pretty clear that her having the bracelet angreal was a predetermined solution to the problem of her reduced ability so BS probably won't bother addressing the healing can/can't issue but I think its very interesting to discuss which is why I brought it up a few pages back.

Um, no.Moiraine mentions that the elfin say they drained her to death which she admits can be a bunch of bollocks.Lanfear herself never says that, she just says that they SOMEHOW affected her ability to channel ,and thus making what I said true, thank you very much.

[WhiskyJack]

 

Trying my best not to get drawn into this argument but it sounds like you are both making a LOT of assumptions. The one that particularly sticks out to me is your assertions that the Finns drained her "ability to channel". That seems to be what most of your arguments are based on. All Moiraine said was that they feed on the OP. I may have missed something but where did this theory come from? To me all signs point toward them feeding on the power its self. It is never implied that they feed on the "ability" of channelers.

Yet, if that was true Lanfear would still be at the top of her power so we can assume that it alters their ability to channel SOMEHOW.

False. Well.... Not entirely. You can assume whatever you want but we have no way to know for sure why Lanfear/Cyndane's channeling prowess was reduced. It's implied that she was drained entirely. If that is the case she wouldn't be able to even sense the source. Much less channel. Personally, I think it's a mFalse. Well.... Not entirely. You can assume whatever you want but we have no way to know for sure why Lanfear/Cyndane's channeling prowess was reduced. It's implied that she was drained entirely. If that is the case she wouldn't be able to even sense the source. Much less channel. Personally, I think it's a moot point sense its pretty clear that her having the bracelet angreal was a predetermined solution to the problem of her reduced ability so BS probably won't bother addressing the healing can/can't issue but I think its very interesting to discuss which is why I brought it up a few pages back.

Um, no.Moiraine mentions that the elfin say they drained her to death which she admits can be a bunch of bollocks.Lanfear herself never says that, she just says that they SOMEHOW affected her ability to channel ,and thus making what I said true, thank you very much.

 

 

Cyndane has mentioned Eelfinn world?