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Danvighar

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  1. I thought that Egwene's death was handled fairly well... at least she got to go out in a blaze of glory, _accomplishing_ something. If this was Harry Potter, she would have died offscreen, and noone would have seen it at all. Y'know, like Siuan and Gareth.
  2. Remember, Mat was of the opinion - however incorrect - that the Foxes could get into his head. I don't think he dared plan anything out on paper or get too detailed, just in case. And his luck was always strongest when there was the least order, the most chance - as in, no plans.
  3. Another perspective I thought about when reading the thread. Again, it's just another beam shoring up my previous position. So what? I still think it's a valid point: Egwene, who was arguably the one most looking forward to the great big world outside the Two Rivers (even Mat wasn't enjoying the thought after the horrors of Winternight), has managed to never let go of the "Women's Circle"/"Village Council" arguing back and forth dynamic that occurred in Emond's Field. To her, the Dragon Reborn is just the Village Council on a much larger stage, and she's just the Wisdom to bully - er, 'convince' - him to do what anyone with sense would have seen long ago.
  4. As soon as she left Two Rivers, she stopped braiding her hair and began to emulate Moiraine. Then it was the Tinkers she wanted to be like. Then the Wise Ones. Then the Aes Sedai again. Egwene's a chameleon, for good or worse. She's learned a lot and made other people's strengths her own that way, but also adopted their negative traits and prejudices (mostly from the Aes Sedai). Point made. I agree, that she's always been a chameleon, but I think the later parallel/counterpoint with Rand's trauma was an intentional theme, even though most of us, reasonably, don't get around to caring about due to her lack of (on-screen) introspection/being called on the carpet. Still, having had the thought, I am unable to entirely dismiss it, and find myself... slightly more sympathetic. Countering that, I am more ready to dismiss areas that her thoughts dogmatically insist on Aes Sedai traditions (or those of the Wise Ones) instead of the plain facts, as 'part of her trauma' rather than 'valid difference of opinion that I just haven't read the reasoning behind it yet'. Speaking of differences of opinion, I was contemplating her insistence on retaining the 3 Oaths and the thought of 'retiring into the Kin' (it would be suitably ironic if releasing the binding did nothing to restore the lost lifespan) - has Egwene actually pointed out to the Aes Sedai, at least the Whites, the likelihood of the Oaths shortening lifespan? I know something was discussed with Siuan, but I've forgotten the details of whether it was just the preservation of the Oaths, or the forgotten price the Aes Sedai pay in years of their lives. I've also forgotten whether it was mentioned to anyone outside her 'most trusted' advisors.
  5. I've always thought that blocks are not the same as bars - that bars are artificial self-limits on effectiveness, while blocks are artificial self-limits on channeling at all. Small gateways can be used inside the body or brain, if Androl has or gains a good mental grasp on anatomy. Bam! Instant Mesaana. Bam! Instant 'heart attack' or 'catastrophic rupture of the femoral artery'.
  6. Had a crazy thought when re-reading earlier today: What if the whole thing - from Nakomi until after the crystal spires part 2 - was a dream? What if she still hasn't actually been to Rhuidean for her second trip yet?
  7. I was re-reading the fight with Mesaana, and the scene where Mesaana attempts to use a dream-a'dam on Egwene in particular. And... I think I saw something for the first time. Some of you above have touched on this tangentially, but here's the summary and the explanation of my thought: I think that Egwene was far more broken by her time as a damane than she or we realize. In this section, Egwene didn't just come across as afraid... This was shades of Rand in its desperation not to be bound, hearkening back to ACoS ch. 34, where on the Seafolk ship he was swamped in claustrophobia, and in Winter's Heart and after, how increasingly, everything that restricted his movement/freedom was a "box". That's the 'reasonable fear rising to an irrational level' I read from her. I think, from what I read in, and read into, that passage, that if this had been the Real World, or if she hadn't had her realization, that Egwene was about 13 seconds from "Tuli is a good damane!" I think this breaking has made her eager to ingratiate and integrate with each group she finds herself part of, just like the converted damane who were only a few weeks ago proud, upstanding Aes Sedai. I don't think she's healed yet, either. She got a partial reprieve, and perhaps it will suffice for the duration of the emergency, but she is still broken, with jagged, raw edges that haven't even begun to scar or heal. And taking this, and re-filtering all that I've seen in the last few books that I disliked about her personality, I see perhaps signs of how I interpret what is described as the need for a victim to exert control - it was certainly there for Rand, and his increasing stress and lack of control when he needed it most led him down a dark path. With Egwene being the female counterpart to Rand, pray that she does not end up following the same path. We really don't need another Accidental Sith, let alone one that people don't naturally fear insanity from her. We covered that with Elaida, after all :P Tangential thought of my own: In many ways, the three Amyrlin Seats have mirrored various failings of the Dragon Reborn. Siuan is as addicted to manipulation (still) as Rand's dark musings on 'using people', Elaida grew visibly more unhinged and angry, just as Rand was not truly 'without emotion' but let his rage build unrecognized as he grew more and more crazy from the Taint. Egwene, who grew up with him, mirrors with her phobia of the Seanchan/a'dam, Rand's phobia of being confined and led around by people trying to manipulate him. Rand got the White Taint to counter the Dark Taint, granting him a reprieve. He may need a temporary death or something to clear it completely, Nynaeve didn't think she stood a chance (I think that it was stamina. Maybe a large circle, all skilled at Healing and taking turns leading as they grew tired, could succeed). Egwene got a temporary reprieve with her mini-revelation (flawed though it was) about Being Aes Sedai and Being the Amyrlin Seat. Hopefully it lasts past the emergency so she can break down in a controlled situation.
  8. Personal opinion - I don't know that anyone's ever even asked the question, let alone gotten a definitive answer - I think the Warder Bond was invented by someone attempting to 1) give Gentled men "something to live for" so they don't fall into depression and suicide/give up, and perhaps 2) find some way to set up a link between men and women while subverting the rules of a 1-to-1 link so that women could lead. If they were trying to achieve #2, they failed... but they might have succeeded at #1, and over 2500 years everyone forgot about the original intent.
  9. Hmm... that would fill an irony quotient for Tuon of "I choose not to channel". I think it will be Moiraine, but that would certainly fulfill the irony requirement.
  10. Crazy thought - because the Forsaken don't tell each other all their plans, one of them sends insane numbers of Shadowspawn to attack the Black Tower about the same time as the attack on Caemlyn. Due to the direction of the attack or whatever, Taim's forces take the brunt of the damage.
  11. After some thought... as a group, the Forsaken are foolish and weak. However... While from the reader's perspective, Graendal's plan to kill Perrin was worthless - how much do any of the Forsaken (save perhaps Moridin, and he's the kind of jerk who doesn't volunteer info like that) know about Wolfbrothers and their capabilities? How many wolfbrothers even show ability in Tel'aran'Rhiod, let alone this kind of strength? If Perrin had not had this ability, or had not been able to get strong quickly enough, Slayer would have killed Perrin and the Trollocs may well have taken out everyone else. Between lack of sufficient intel, and underestimating the good guys, ("I don't believe it!" - Luke. "And that is why you fail" - Yoda), explains many of their deaths. Some of what the good guys do SHOULDN'T be possible, according to everything they know. And after all, they are the product of a superior age, where magic was scienced to death, explored in a rational manner rather than this fumble-fingered 'this feels right' so-called methodology, etc, etc - their disdain, however lacking in genre-savvy, is relatively sensible. The Forsaken, even the ones who specialize in analytical fields, have certain issues inherent to their nature ("Selfishness must be preserved"). They refuse to trust each other... probably for good reason, as it's quite possible that some of the nameless 2nd-age Chosen died to "friendly" fire during the War of the Shadow. Due to their 'cultural superiority' and 'superior training', they underestimate not only the good guys, but their minions, thinking of them as children not just in ability, but in mind and ambition. Sure, the Black Ajah all bow to the Great Mistress or Great Master, but Liandrin and Alviarin also tend to think of how they'll get lucky and supplant the Chosen the first chance they get, while being careful to keep their plans to themselves. Even though they acknowledge Moridin as Nae'blis in 'public', each of them is certain that they, too, could be Nae'blis if things go their way, but apparently they have to follow direct orders or risk having their soul eaten or something (Dark One as Great Old One?). They also have little respect for each others' abilities, so if anything it's surprising that there were two Trios amongst them (Semirhage, Demandred and Mesaana; Graendal, Sammael, and Rahvin). (I wonder if there are any more, that we simply didn't know about; were Aginor and Balthemal a team, or just the two nearest the door save Ishamael, and got sent to deal with the problem?) So, yeah. If they were genre-savvy and broke the fourth wall, they'd probably be doing a better job of it. But they were favored for their selfishness, not their urge for mass destruction. They were allowed to live because they obeyed orders, not because they ganged up and did the most sensible course of action. Why should they exhaust themselves in a charge up the middle that leaves them vulnerable to a mere 200-year-old half-trained child (either light-side or an ambitious BA)? They can't trust their comrades not to be holding back and looking to stick the knife in at the stupidest time, after all. How can they use a gholam before they find the stasis box holding it?
  12. Very possibly this. People seem to think that because Verin wasn't Evil, that she suddenly wasn't lying in anything other than the bare minimum that we've been forced to see, and otherwise she was a paragon of virtue. Yet for over 70 years, probably for more than 100 years (I don't recall her age), her methodology, her habit, her instinct, has of necessity been to bend and twist anything she says or writes in order to get things done while bending 6 contradictory oaths in an attempt not to shatter any of them beyond repair.
  13. BS has stated that Carlinya's death was not a mistake. The theory that Min's vision had something to do with the Seanchan was apparently wrong. -- dwn AFAIK, he also RAFO-ed the death so we may just have it coming up again. TAR is almost guaranteed to play a big role in AMoL - the BT, the Cyndane-LTT thing, maybe an explanation for Nakomi, Slayer, etc., are still live angles where TAR could pop up again. I bet we find out one of two things: 1 (most likely): Coincidentally, a Bloodknife killed her body about the same time as that attack. 2: One of the Darkfriends with Mesaana is an Atha'an Shadar, a Seanchan Darkfriend.
  14. More to the point, blindly trusting your interpretation of someone else's vision is pretty dumb.
  15. Stepping away from the BA interrogation for a minute.... I kinda thought to myself, in the Sun Throne scene, that maybe Birgitte sleight-of-handed that needle in order to have an excuse to sit on the throne first. A bit of payback/tweaking Elayne's nose. Elayne did seem to alternate amongst silly, sensible, and stupid, and back to sensible, often several times in a single conversation. Which made it harder to enjoy her sections. I think my biggest frustration with her in this book is that her focus seems to be ENTIRELY on 'Andor after the Last Battle', with little or no thought to 'how can Andor help to win the Last Battle'. I may have misinterpreted her focus - that's why I used 'seems to be' rather than 'is' just in case I am misremembering after a quick read of the book and far too much time reading the opinions of people who didn't read it carefully. But if I remember it rightly... 'tis more than a little frustrating. Yes, you have to remember to plan for after. But you should spare at least a little thought towards surviving (beyond your children's birth) to use those plans.
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