Karaethon Cycle

[dreago]

Does anyone know the complete prophecy?

some mentioned in nearly every book but not heard it all.

What does "wounds of madness and cuting of hope" has he healed? quote from Moraine in tDR page 93.

be interesting to hear it all.

[Taishar Manetheren]

I dont know all the prophecy but i think that line is refering to cleansing saidin.

[dreago]

very possible

 

other parts were "slay his people with the sword of peace and destroy them with the Leaf" most likely the Aiel

 

"He shall bind the nine moons to him" don't think its happened yet but has to do with Tuon and possibly Matt

 

What chains has he broken, and who put into chains? Exact quote from Moraine

[Guest Majsju]

There is no complete prophecy, RJ just writes the parts he wants to use in the novels. He has said that he will not write all of them even afterwards.

[rochaid]

"There can be no health in us, nor any good thing grow, for the land is one with the Dragon Reborn, and he one with the land. Soul of fire, heart of stone, in pride he conquers, forcing the proud to yield. He calls upon the mountains to kneel, and the seas to give way, and the very skies to bow. Pray that the heart of stone remembers tears, and the soul of fire, love."

 

"Master of the lightnings, rider on the storm, wearer of a crown of swords, spinner-out of fate. Who thinks he turns the Wheel of Time, may learn the truth too late."

 

both from the cycle,these both seem to state that there will be reprecussions if rand does not stop isolating himself.and the begininning of the 1st extract i posted ties in with the fisher king legends.

 

i know these have nothing to do with the thread,but it adds to the prophecy aspect

[Direwolf Jon]

Maybe "He shall bind the nine moons to him" occurs when Mat and Tuon are married. Because Mat is bound to Rand in a sense and now Mat is bound to Tuon by marriage.

[drakhon]

What does it mean that he ‘shall bind the nine moons to serve him’?

 

This is the part of the prophecy that Ishamael changed.

 

“I must find a way to make contact with the Dragon Reborn as soon as possible. He must kneel before the Crystal Throne before Tarmon Gai’don, or all is lost.†The Prophecies of the Dragon said so, clearly.

 

At the end of KoD Tuon still believes that Rand needs to kneel before the Crystal Throne. We haven't seen the inevitable conflict in which the Seanchan (or at least Tuon) accept the true prophecy and serve Rand.

 

Mat will most likely be key in this plot line and being Tuon's husband will come into play, but she is not yet bound to serve Rand.

[Luckers]

For a complete examination of all of the Karetheon Cycle we know to date, go to http://www.steelypips.org/wotfaq/4_prophecy/4.5_karaethon.html

 

Its the most complete examination ive found to date.

[dreago]

thanks Luckers

[Rumor]

I have a question about this one:

 

"slay his people with the sword of peace and destroy them with the Leaf"

 

I know it refers to the Aiel, but I only see that the second part (i.e. destruction with the leaf) has been fulfilled. Most interpretations of this part of the Cycle simply lump the two statements together and say that they refer to the revelation of the Aiels' true ancestry, but I see two separate statements there. So how does he "slay his people with the sword of peace"? Or is this just a redundant prophecy?

[DemandredFO]

Rumor, I think "slay his people with the sword of peace" means the Aeil started off peaceful he killed some hearts with that. I could also be wrong and it coud refer to something in the future.[/b]

[Whitestar]

If you mean that when he told the Aiel they used to follow the Way of the Leaf, then I totally agree with you. He told them something completely contrary to what they believed and it destroyed much of the Aiel.