[DPR Mafia] Suras 4 - Mafia wins!

[JenLenaMom]

Alys, at this point it's not really a matter of whether we believe you are scum or not, someone got a Bonda reading on you and we need info on whether all Bonda are scum.

 

If you flip Bonda but not scum, that's important for the town. Of course if you flip not Bonda, Barm and Nae are goners, but we can get to that later.

[WWWwombat]

She's not going to flip Bonda but not scum.  She's denied being Bonda.

[Alys Kinch]

Alys, at this point it's not really a matter of whether we believe you are scum or not, someone got a Bonda reading on you and we need info on whether all Bonda are scum.

Pray tell, what was the point in telling you to view me from another source? Barms was wrong, I don’t know why or how since I viewed him to be a captain and verified Nae’s claim. Wrong nonetheless.

 

She's not going to flip Bonda but not scum.  She's denied being Bonda.

Because I’m not. View me because you won’t believe what I say until you have the proof from a third party. Like I said, I’m not stupid enough to play he said, she said. I can claim witch or spy or Beva Perrada or Minister’s Man. But I am not because we all know you won’t believe me. View me and help yourselves.

 

Now, back to my reread and notes.

[Daetirion]

Honestly, was tempted to go No, but Yes adds interest and potential to the game. And then with Alys actively campaigning against it swung it in this direction.

 

We almost have a majority here. But it is not a vote, merely trying to persuade Aemon. Therefore i think we can presume Aemon will acknowledge the will of the group here, but he still has a decision to make. Notably, who to give the bonestone to?

 

Now if we could guarantee it would be a beneficial action, i would suggest Barm. Consensus appears to label him innocent, there has been a viewing etc. However we cannot guarantee it is going to be beneficial. It's a risk.

 

Any other suggestions? If its beneficial, we really don't want the mafia to be in control of it. If its malicious, we could lose one of our better players.

 

Now i get why it's called Russian Roulette. ^_^

 

Oh and [glow=red,2,300]Alys[/glow], as per Barm's reasoning.

[JenLenaMom]

Alys, if I hadn't already used my view I would have. However until someone else admits to viewing you we have nothing else. If we lynch Barm and let you go and you are scum so much the worse for the town.

[Red2111]

Yes and [glow=red,2,300]Alys[/glow]  since no on decided to vewi her last night, we need info.

 

I'd like to know why Red thought it necessary to protect herself last night. I was very surprised as there had been no pressure put on her at all.

 

i didn't try to protect myself, i used that on Night 1 along with my veiw. 

 

and even so, in a game with so many VK's floating around, why would you find it wierd that someone would use their protection at any point in time; now your just trying to build your case agaisnt me as well as fish out what abilities i've used.  and since my veiw was cloudy, i'm guessing that means my heal was blocked as well which means i also wasted both of those abilities  >:(

 

i don't know what my faction is, i can only assume its Beva since the PM only stated i win with the town. and it's appearing that Bonda's are scum.

 

 

 

 

[Daetirion]

Red is also Bonda Perrada. I viewed her night 1 but didn't mention it because we had another good candidate to lynch. I tried to lynch her last night, but it didn't go through. I think she would be a good choice for our lynch tomorrow. For now, [glow=red,2,300]Alys[/glow].

 

Now this is interesting. I also saw Red as highly suspicious, in fact i was almost sure she was Mafia considering her defence of Adella/attack on Lily etc. However, when i viewed her last night, i got a reading of Beva Perrada.

 

This leaves four options. 1) Red is Beva, Aemon lied. 2) Red is Bonda, i'm lying. 3) Red was Bonda when Aemon viewed her, and is now Beva having been recruited. 4) Red was and is still Bonda and has somehow confused my reading, with an ability or bonestone or whatever.

 

Now obviously i don't like option 2. Option 1 is worrying if Aemon has bonestone for this Russian Roulette. Option 3 is ultimately a big risk if we believe that and leave Red alive. Option 4 is very possible.

 

Honestly, i can't call it either way. The information is now out there however. Make of it what you will

 

[Jeran]

YES before I forget.

[JenLenaMom]

OMG!! NO! Do you people stop and ask questions? DPR told me this bonestone should NOT be used. But you know... Feel free to disbelieve me. And DIE.

 

Now, I have to go finish reading the answers to the rest of my questions and catch fully up on the thread.

 

One last thing. Who's brillant idea was it to NOT view me to double check? Idiots! It was in your best interest, and you don't even know it yet.

 

DPR told you this bonestone shouldn't be used? How did he do that? A Mod Whisper?

[Verbal32]

YES, I think he should pass the stone to somebody.

 

I'm gonna do a quick recount of the vote....brb.

[Jeran]

If it was a mod whisper then surely there is a penalty coming.

 

Mod Whisper - The Mod Whisper will be used in this game. It is entirely possible that at some point in the game, I will PM you with important information. The information will always be true, and always of relevance to the game. You may want thte information, or, you may not, but you are goign to get it, and the thing to remember is this: absolutley do not share it with any other player. This goes for Mafia as well as Town. You may use it to speculate on thread, but you may never say or imply that it was given to you by the mod.

[JenLenaMom]

My point exactly.

[Verbal32]

Ok, Alys appears to be at L-1 (13 votes).  I don't want to hammer yet, in case somebody steps forward with viewing results on her.

 

I remember seeing something about having to vote in order to have the access to our 1-time abilities, so I'll put a placeholder on myself for now.

 

[glow=red,2,300]Verbal[/glow]

 

Edit:  That's a helluva point there, Jeran. (and JLM)

[Hybrid]

Lots to get to....

 

First off, YES since we've got the numbers.  Unless this is one of those bonestones that initiates a mass killing spree.  Let's hope not...

[Jeran]

[glow=red,2,300]Jeran[/glow] also a place holder vote

[Jeran]

New info. Spies are probably a bad, bad, bad thing. Checking though.

 

Alys seems to be the conduit for information: spies are bad, the bonestone is bad; I'm not sure how this could be if not a mod whisper.

 

Alys, have you stated yet what you are?  Earlier meesh was wanting to know and you only said so indirectly.  I don't think anyone has flat out said what the third faction is called in PMs.  Maybe if you said it someone will recognize it?

[Red2111]

Red is also Bonda Perrada. I viewed her night 1 but didn't mention it because we had another good candidate to lynch. I tried to lynch her last night, but it didn't go through. I think she would be a good choice for our lynch tomorrow. For now, [glow=red,2,300]Alys[/glow].

 

Now this is interesting. I also saw Red as highly suspicious, in fact i was almost sure she was Mafia considering her defence of Adella/attack on Lily etc. However, when i viewed her last night, i got a reading of Beva Perrada.

 

This leaves four options. 1) Red is Beva, Aemon lied. 2) Red is Bonda, i'm lying. 3) Red was Bonda when Aemon viewed her, and is now Beva having been recruited. 4) Red was and is still Bonda and has somehow confused my reading, with an ability or bonestone or whatever.

 

Now obviously i don't like option 2. Option 1 is worrying if Aemon has bonestone for this Russian Roulette. Option 3 is ultimately a big risk if we believe that and leave Red alive. Option 4 is very possible.

 

Honestly, i can't call it either way. The information is now out there however. Make of it what you will

 

 

as far as i know, i don't have a bonestone and i haven't been recruited. and i don't think Aemon would lie about his veiwing or you would Dae, it's too risky for the conrers report to confirm and deny those things; besides we already have enough confusion with the Barm/Alys thing so why add another exactly like it.

 

so the only thing i can think of is a 5th option.

 

a 3rd party is targeting people with a bonesone that changes the targeted person alignemnt or gives a false reading some how.  as i don't know what my alignment and that i only win with the town i could honestly be bond, captain or beva.  so i can't confirm or deny either Aemon or Dae's findings.

 

all this does is prove that there is an object or person out there messing with peoples abilities, which only adds to the confusion  >:(

 

[WWWwombat]

[glow=red,2,300]Red[/glow]

[Guest dragonsworn1991]

They tried to make me go to rehab, I said no no no.

 

I don't like the alys train [glow=red,2,300]red[/glow] because I'm on my phone and can't reread until later tonight. Alys is begging for a reviewing let's give the lovely lady what she asks for.

[Red2111]

Now this is interesting. I also saw Red as highly suspicious, in fact i was almost sure she was Mafia considering her defence of Adella/attack on Lily etc. However, when i viewed her last night, i got a reading of Beva Perrada.

 

i still think lily is scummy for her neglecting to include the info about the manipulators when she gave him a summary of why everyone was voting for Adella.  there was one other thing, and i posted it back in Day 1 so i could dig through and find the quote if you want.

 

and i never once did i defend Adella.  i was against the idea of all Bonda = Mafia.  many others agreed at the time that Bonda did't = Mafia; both Meesh & Talya have argued that point alongside me.

 

this was before the events of last night and it does appear that Wes might have made it that easy for us to win and might have thrown the Manipulator part in as a bit of fun for him

[Lord of 13]

For now, I'm going to say YES to the bonestone roulette. We're far enough ahead that we can afford a bit of a gamble, and it seems reasonable enough.

[Talya]

NO

 

Alys, no need to call people idiots, how were they supposed to know that we shouldn't touch that stone! Are we mind readers. No! so no need to call names when people don't have crystals balls into what you are saying. However, I'm not willing to risk it!

 

I would also like to know why Red shows Bonda one minute and then Beva the next and yet she says she wasn't given anything other than she wins with the Town...what about a Captain?

 

Out of interest, it would be interesting to know what factions Dae and Aemon are...

 

 

[Red2111]

i'm thinking on changing my vote for the Russian roulett thing, i think it might be better to know who has it rather than who doesn't. 

 

especially considering now that theres conflicting results on my veiws and we have no clue if both are telling the truth or not; and the person who has the stone is part of this.

 

Aemon, could you tell us a bit more about the bonestone you have; which name is it and/or effect does it produce and have you used it yet?

[Alys Kinch]

I forgot about alys Were there any others though? For possible vig hits?

That’s funny. What distracted you?

 

Red is also Bonda Perrada. I viewed her night 1 but didn't mention it because we had another good candidate to lynch. I tried to lynch her last night, but it didn't go through.

I have a really good reason to believe this is a lie too! Do you have two kills available to you? I have word that you actually tried to kill me. Is that what your bonestone is? Only… Red said she didn’t protect, so which is it?

 

One way Alys can help her cause out would be to identify the name of said faction.

Except there are several factions and you are discounting all the rest.

 

I think if you are scum, you are playing an extremely poor game and that is unlike you.

Thanks for saying I’ve played poorly. *debates frogging wombat right in that tender spot on the thigh* Actually, you are right. My head hasn’t been in it. Meh, got stuff going on. But I am at least keeping up and trying to talk to the mod before acting rashly.

 

since I know you are lying scum, I don't trust you.

Belief. Try again. Or better yet, I can send you to a thread where tons of people expound on the difference to one Nightrunner.

Now if we could guarantee it would be a beneficial action, i would suggest Barm. Consensus appears to label him innocent, there has been a viewing etc. However we cannot guarantee it is going to be beneficial. It's a risk.

He appears to be. I checked  him to be a captain.

 

However until someone else admits to viewing you we have nothing else.

They didn’t. I asked because I knew that was the only way to save me.  DPR probably told me because he knew that was the only way to save me, and it didn't happen.

How did he do that? A Mod Whisper?

A mod whisper is unprovoked, but thanks for calling me stupid. No, I was asking questions about the bonestones. I ask tons of questions. You should try it.

 

I don't want to hammer yet, in case somebody steps forward with viewing results on her.

Good luck.

 

Alys, have you stated yet what you are?  Earlier meesh was wanting to know and you only said so indirectly.  I don't think anyone has flat out said what the third faction is called in PMs.

Sweetie, there’s more than 3 factions. I already posted on that. Go check out my other posts.

 

Alys, no need to call people idiots, how were they supposed to know that we shouldn't touch that stone! Are we mind readers. No! so no need to call names when people don't have crystals balls into what you are saying. However, I'm not willing to risk it!

Idiots was for not viewing me, IIRC. But you should still ask questions like your life depends on it. Because it frankly does.

 

RECAP: [glow=red,2,300]AEMON IS A LYING LIAR WHO LIES.[/glow]

Still not done with yesterday’s stuff. Busy at work. Like crazy busy.

 

[Red2111]

I would also like to know why Red shows Bonda one minute and then Beva the next and yet she says she wasn't given anything other than she wins with the Town...what about a Captain?

 

Out of interest, it would be interesting to know what factions Dae and Aemon are...

 

your not the only one who'd like to know that talya.  but i don't think Captian would do that would it?? if i had more info, i'd give it but right now the only thing i'm confertabel with believing is the 3rd party option.  as i said, i don't see any reason why either of them would lie

 

[glow=green,2,300]Unvote[/glow] [glow=red,2,300]Lily[/glow]

 

was thinking more about it, and i think viewing Alys again is the better option, especialy since no one did.  so i'm goign with the other person who i found scummy.

 

seeing as there are two confirmed veiwing reports on me that are conflicting, it lends more credability to Alys claim imo