[Standard] Wombat's Hamlet Mafia (GAME OVER - mafia wins)

[alannalynn]

I'm generally Alanna Jr, or Laine/Lainie. Doesn't matter to me. Alannalynn is just too long to type out, and I'm sure a lot of people have lazy fingers like me. :)

 

ooo yay no fleas!

[aemonkristen]

Laine it is. Now back to the game...I still think Verb And Alanna have something going on. Not a lot of evidence of it. Just a few posts that struck me as odd. That is why my vote is still on Verbal.

[Verbal32]

Laine it is. Now back to the game...I still think Verb And Alanna have something going on. Not a lot of evidence of it. Just a few posts that struck me as odd. That is why my vote is still on Verbal.

 

I could say the same for you and Lav, my friend.  Trying to deflect votes onto me and away from Lav looks pretty suspicious in my book.  Well, if I actually had a book, that is.  We don't really read much....ewoks, that is.  Swinging from trees to snatch little children bad guys unawares and stuff.  Yeah.

[Aust]

Laine it is. Now back to the game...I still think Verb And Alanna have something going on. Not a lot of evidence of it. Just a few posts that struck me as odd. That is why my vote is still on Verbal.

 

Aemon if anything seems to have something going on, you seem to have really defended Lavinya there. Why?

 

And why do you think Verb and Alanna have something going on?

 

Poking and prodding is one thing, FOS to drum up chaos is another.

[Lavinya]

Why is everyone picking on poor little me? *pout*

 

Frankly, these loons that are 'working with me' are on their own. Especially Verbal. Not sure how he can vote me and defend me in the same sentence. If you're working with me, stop it, ok? You seem to be making the votes pile up, not down.

 

I'm still withholding my vote. It would be so easy to jump on someone who voted me, but what good would that do? Let's start thinking. Why the bandwagon? What scummy vibe have I or anyone else given off? We can have a day one lynch at random which like, 98% of the time hits an innocent, then go to night and lose another innocent. (Highly likely). OR, the beauty of this game setup, we don't make majority, we don't lose a random innocent but go straight to night. True, someone is going to die. But you tell me - would scum rather one or two innocents dead in the first day night cycle?

[LilyElizabeth]

Have I mentioned how I hate day ones?  :-\

 

[aemonkristen]

Aust-

 

Well, I'll do my part. I haven't had a chance to play in a game with Verbal for a while, so I'm not going with the majority. How about Lavinya? Nothing personal, hon. Promise.

 

Lavinya

 

Now I realize this is probably just day 1 goofing around, but it's the most suspicious thing I have to go on right now.

 

Where did I defend Lav? I must have missed that.

 

Poking and prodding is one thing, FOS to drum up chaos is another.

 

I mentioned this about two days ago and you wait until now to mention it? Would you rather everyone just go to random.org to cast their day 1 vote? The game would definitely go faster, but I doubt we would learn much. My vote on Verbal started as Day 1 random but now has at least a small reason to stay there.

 

I decided to go back and see exactly why people are voting Lavinya...

*starts awake* Um... let's see, my first mafia game. Hm. I'll try not to make too big a fool of myself and vote for the other inactive.

 

Lavinya

Day 1 random on an inactive.

 

Well, I'll do my part. I haven't had a chance to play in a game with Verbal for a while, so I'm not going with the majority. How about Lavinya? Nothing personal, hon. Promise.

 

Lavinya

 

Another Day 1 random.

 

I'm in love with myself?  Is it Friday already? >_>

 

And what question did you ask me, Lily?  I can't find it anywhere?  :-\

 

On the grounds of self-preservation and stuff, I'm gonna vote Lavinya.  Sorry.

 

With 2 votes on Verbal and 2 votes on Lav, this is a completely understandable vote. It put's Lav at 3 and with the majority. As we all know, the person with the majority is the one that gets bandwagoned by people who do not even deign to comment on the game, which brings me to my next vote...

 

My vote is for Lavinya.

 

Way to participate LO13. Look for the person with the most votes and go there. We need to stop this idea that random is good on day 1. I would much rather see well thought out votes that have at least some basis on what has been said in the game.

[/end rant]

 

 

And yes, Aust, now I have defended Lav from the depredations of day 1 randomocity.

[WWWwombat]

It is midnight.  Hamlet, Horatio, and Marcellus stand on the platform where the ghost was seen last night.  The air bites shrewdly; it is very cold.  It is a nipping and eager air.  Trumpets and cannon sound.  The new king has begun his customary revelry.  Hamlet grumbles in disapproval.  Horatio cries out:

 

“Look, my lord, it comes!”

Hamlet turns and is shocked to see the ghostly image of his father, armored from head to foot, his beard grizzled, his countenance grim.

 

Ham.

Angels and ministers of grace defend us!—

Be thou a spirit of health or goblin damn'd,

Bring with thee airs from heaven or blasts from hell,

Be thy intents wicked or charitable,

Thou com'st in such a questionable shape

That I will speak to thee: I'll call thee Hamlet,

King, father, royal Dane; O, answer me!

Let me not burst in ignorance; but tell

Why thy canoniz'd bones, hearsed in death,

Have burst their cerements; why the sepulchre,

Wherein we saw thee quietly in-urn'd,

Hath op'd his ponderous and marble jaws

To cast thee up again! What may this mean,

That thou, dead corse, again in complete steel,

Revisit'st thus the glimpses of the moon,

Making night hideous, and we fools of nature

So horridly to shake our disposition

With thoughts beyond the reaches of our souls?

Say, why is this? wherefore? what should we do?

 

The ghost beckons to Hamlet.  It seems to want him alone.  Hamlet makes to follow, but his friends move to impede him.

 

Mar.

Look with what courteous action

It waves you to a more removed ground:

But do not go with it!

 

Hor.

No, by no means.

 

Ham.

It will not speak; then will I follow it.

 

Hor.

Do not, my lord.

 

Ham.

Why, what should be the fear?

I do not set my life at a pin's fee;

And for my soul, what can it do to that,

Being a thing immortal as itself?

It waves me forth again;—I'll follow it.

 

Hor.

What if it tempt you toward the flood, my lord,

Or to the dreadful summit of the cliff

That beetles o'er his base into the sea,

And there assume some other horrible form

Which might deprive your sovereignty of reason,

And draw you into madness? think of it:

The very place puts toys of desperation,

Without more motive, into every brain

That looks so many fadoms to the sea

And hears it roar beneath.

 

Ham.

It waves me still.—

Go on; I'll follow thee.

 

Mar.

You shall not go, my lord.

 

Ham.

Hold off your hands.

 

Hor.

Be rul'd; you shall not go.

 

Ham.

My fate cries out,

And makes each petty artery in this body

As hardy as the Nemean lion's nerve.—

 

The ghost beckons impatiently.  It makes as if to leave.

 

Ham.

Still am I call'd;—unhand me, gentlemen;—

 

Hamlet breaks free of his companions and follows after the ghost.

 

Hor.

He waxes desperate with imagination.

 

Mar.

Let's follow; 'tis not fit thus to obey him.

 

Hor.

Have after.—To what issue will this come?

 

Mar.

Something is rotten in the state of Denmark.

 

Hor.

Heaven will direct it.

 

Mar.

Nay, let's follow him.

[WWWwombat]

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch:

 

Deadline: Wednesday, June 23rd, 8:00 PM EDT

If you do not reach a majority by the deadline, there will be no lynch

 

Verbal(2): Aemon, Tigraine

Amadine(1): Aust

Lavinya(4):  Alanna Jr, Lily, Verbal, Lord of 13

Alanna Jr.(1): Talya

Talya(1):  Amadine

 

Not voting:  Lavinya, Liathiana, mottlee

[Aust]

I'm just wondering why everyone is voting Lav when the ewok looks guilty as hell. Honestly. You can't even see his eyes. How can you trust anyone with that much hair?

 

You'll have to pardon me Aemon, but I did find this post to indicate that - yes indeed - you were defending Lavinya.

 

What I find even more interesting though is the wall of text you gave me in response to my simple question 'why'? That was quite defensive.

[LilyElizabeth]

I really dislike voting for the same person in more than one game. Stop tempting me, Aemon.  :P

 

And, no, this is not a joke post.

 

[aemonkristen]

Well, apparently everyone is comfortable with a random day 1 vote. Should I go to random.org or just let my 5-year-old decide? Honestly people, you can't have it both ways.

[Lavinya]

I am NOT happy with a random vote day one. Hence no vote at all. If we were going to be penalised for not voting it makes sense to vote for someone rather than face a modkill, but voting for no reason is pointless and will result in an extra dead innocent day one. We don't have enough players to throw them away on day one randomness.

 

Verbal - why is voting for me in the interest of your self-preservation? There's no penalty for not voting. There's not even a true penalty for not reaching a majority.

[LilyElizabeth]

I know there are differing opinions on this, but I think that if we don't gather some info on day one, we have day one all over again on day two, but we're down one townie from the mafia's nk. But if that's what the majority wants... Maybe the cop will get lucky at least.

 

[Lavinya]

Normally I would agree with you, but in this case we've been given a free pass. Crazy not to take it. Day two I will be seriously pointing fingers at those who desperately wanted a death day one. An unnecessary innocent death.

[LilyElizabeth]

I understand what you're saying, but you've been playing longer than I have, so please explain, so I get it. How does no lynch help the town? Besides the body count of course. The mafia gets their kill and we still know nothing. On which day does it become important to get a lynch? I'm not being bratty. I really want to understand this thinking.

 

[Talya]

No Lynches are usually only useful when there are few players left and not having a lynch may allow the townies to go through to the next day to vote a gain, where as if they voted and lynched an innocent the night could see them lose!

 

Okay, I'm interested in Aemon not jumping on Lav's bandwagon. not because I believe she is mafia, more then likely she is not and Aemon knows it, so it looks good for him to stay clear of it and try and build up cases for those on it. I would also say there is more than likely one mafia on Lav's vote so far. So The mafia have split their votes, and Aemon can also then distance himself from the bandwagon on Lav and also from the other team mate that maybe on that vote.

[Tigraine]

I don't care if it's logical or not but I would rather have a lynch.  It gives us more information.  Voting patterns, reasonings, etc.  In intrest of the I am going to [glow=red,2,300]unvote

 

Vote Lavinya[/glow] 

[Aust]

Okay, I'm interested in Aemon not jumping on Lav's bandwagon. not because I believe she is mafia, more then likely she is not and Aemon knows it, so it looks good for him to stay clear of it and try and build up cases for those on it. I would also say there is more than likely one mafia on Lav's vote so far. So The mafia have split their votes, and Aemon can also then distance himself from the bandwagon on Lav and also from the other team mate that maybe on that vote.

 

Talya you said so eloquently what I was thinking! Aemon's move was a bit too deliberate for me to feel comfortable with it.

 

[glow=red,2,300]unvote[/glow]

 

[glow=red,2,300]Vote Aemon[/glow]

[Lavinya]

I actually liked being defended. Heh. But I must say, if I am lynched, it would look really good for Aemon to have defended me previously. So it could be a very clever ploy to distance himself from an innocent lynch early in the game and avoid suspicion.

 

Best evidence I can see so far for a lynch.

 

[glow=red,2,300]Vote Aemon[/glow]

 

Lily, I will answer your question as soon as I get back! Just running through before dropping the kids off, not avoiding giving an answer ;)

[LilyElizabeth]

Okay, Lavi.

 

Honestly, the main reason I didn't vote for Aemon was because I have my vote on him in another game. I hate that one person has to go through the "always lynch then day one" business. Having said that, he really does seem scummy here.

 

[glow=red,2,300]Unvote

Vote Aemon[/glow]

[WWWwombat]

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch:

 

Deadline: Wednesday, June 23rd, 8:00 PM EDT

If you do not reach a majority by the deadline, there will be no lynch

 

Verbal(1): Aemon

Aemon(3): Aust, Lavinya, Lily

Lavinya(4):  Alanna Jr, Verbal, Lord of 13, Tigraine

Alanna Jr.(1): Talya

Talya(1):  Amadine

 

Not voting:  Liathiana, mottlee

[aemonkristen]

You're all voting me because of NOT bandwagoning on Day 1? That's a first.

[Lavinya]

Generally I agree with a day one lynch, Lily. But usually there are other factors - if you don't vote you may be modkilled, or if there is no lynch a non-voter is mod-killed. It seems wiser to vote for someone and see how people react, who votes, etc than a random lynch, but that is the bonus with this game - no penalty! I just can't justify voting out an extra innocent (because seriously, how often do we ever hit scum day one? They tend to lurk and avoid notice or keep the bandwagon rolling) when we don't have to. I think we can garner just as much information even if we don't reach a majority today, in fact much the same info we would get with a lynch - who was voting and where, who was pushing it, who was defending, who was lurking... you see what I mean?

 

Also, when you're in a game with 20 or so players, you have more lynch fodder to play with. This is a game of numbers, and we don't have enough players to maintain a majority if we're going to willingly throw people off the bus with random votes in the hopes of possibly seeing a hint of a scum-tell that may not even exist.

[LilyElizabeth]

Lavi, my only concern at this point is that usually only scum push for a no lynch. It gives them a free nk. But I'm going to go with you this time. I like to try new things in mafia and see how they work.

[glow=red,2,300]

Unvote

Vote no lynch[/glow]