Lost = Why of bloody why!

[Jack of the Shadows]

So I just spent 6 years of my life on the edge of my seat completly enthralled with Lost. What you can't take away from JJ Abrams is how fresh, origonal and well done this story was. But really JJ WTF! I just watched the series finale and I am left angry and feeling as if I have just been viciously raped by a Faceless!

 

Theyn toataly copped out and gave us a "Jacob's Ladder"ish ending. This entire last season was crap and they jumped the reservation. We know virtually nothing about the island. Is it alien technology on the island? Why are people healed? Where did the egyptian crap come from? What the hell is the smoke monster? Alls we know is what the poeple did on the island bound them together so much that they end up meeting in the afterlife! REALLY JJ! REALLY?

 

Look I'm not saying they couldn't have added that in, but I stayed up for 2 and a half hours on Sunday night to watch ahn over glorified "flashback/clip show". They could have cut half that episode out and it would have been fine. I feel so used.

 

SO to recap, everything that happened on the island happened. Some of the souls like Michael and Mr. Ekiles are stuck there. Everyone else lived out their lives in one way or another. The entire "alternate" reality part of season 6 was a purgatorish place where they made to meet up, and no questions about the island are answered. GRRRRR!

 

I only hope that The Wheel of Time doesn't give us the Jacobs Ladder ending when the finale book is relased. I think I would have to jump off a cliff!

 

[OptimusPrime]

Heres what I think.

 

The island is a place where the dead can appear, we know this. We've known dead people have been present here for a while. But the island is supposed to be seperate from the living, and so conditions must be met to get there-having a dead body with you being involved somehow. If conditions are right, dead people can take form here again; maybe one of the conditions of getting to the island is that you must have a corpse that could be inhabitted-Christian and John Locke provide examples, who have both been confirmed as the Black Smoke after their deaths.

 

Jacob, as a child, heard that he was "from out there like the others." I think this means that Jacob and M.I.B were alive, and although they were interactting with dead people, Jacob and M.I.B were special because they were alive in the land of the dead. Maybe their specialness is somehow like Hurley and Miles.

 

The light in the island, as that woman who killed their mother (I think she was dead at the time) is in everyone. I think thats what allows the dead to appear there. When M.I.B fell in there, he came into contact with the light (which Desmond was immune to, and Jack had become Jacob so he's different also) which was worse than death; it turned him into an evil spirit smoke monster. Now being dead, the M.I.B is bound to the light. Yet, if he can assume someones identity that was brought to the island-a real body and not some spirit given form by the light on the island-and then turn the light off, he becomes human again; he was connected to the light as all the dead ones were, but if he is appearing as someone else when the light is off then he becomes that person physically. So when Desmond turns the light off, they made the Black Smoke into John Locke for real-which wouldnt have been possible without bringing John Lockes dead body here-and so he can now get off the island and go to the land of the living.

 

Dead people on the island are those that couldnt move on. M.I.B was trapped in limbo, having been turned into the Black Smoke evil spirit. Jacob was the protector, a lingering spirit with a purpose, a man who in hi original life may have had something unusual about him just like Hurley and Miles and Desmond. At the end, Jack and co die and their consciousness jumps into the "other life." Ben didnt go into the reunion, didnt go to heaven with them, because he wasnt ready to move on, hadnt quite forgiven himself for the bad things he had done. He had his invitation to heaven from Hurley-all sins are forgiven-but Ben wasnt ready to forgive himself.

 

Could very well be wrong.

[Cadsuane]

But really JJ WTF!

 

JJ hasn't been involved in LOST for years, now...

 

From Lostpedia, emphasis mine:

 

"Early in Season 1, Abrams was busy with producing and directing Mission: Impossible III. When Damon Lindelof was considering quitting Lost  due to the sudden burden, Carlton Cuse talked him out of leaving and joined the show's staff as an executive producer.[3]  From this point on, Abrams stopped being directly involved with the show.[4]  Abrams briefly considered returning to the show and getting "more involved" with Season 3. Even though he intended directing an episode and "writing some"[5], he ultimately only ended up co-writing the Season 3 premiere, "A Tale of Two Cities", together with Damon Lindelof. (The Lost: Missing Pieces mobisode "The Envelope", which was officially released over a year later, also has an Abrams/Lindelof writing credit, but is actually a deleted scene from "A Tale of Two Cities").

 

In an appearance on Jimmy Kimmel Live! in early May 2008, Damon Lindelof denied rumors of not having heard from Abrams in years, and confirmed still being in contact with him. At the 2009 Hawaii International Film Festival, Lindelof stated that Abrams watches Lost as a fan, seeing the episodes for the first time as they air, and has "expressed an interest and curiosity in how the show is going to end."[6] Abrams is still credited as an executive producer of the show as of Season 5. Abrams will not be involved with Season 6, as he thinks that Damon and Carlton themselves should finish what they have been doing with the show. (The Lostpedia Interview:Carlton Cuse & Damon Lindelof) He also rejected the idea of directing the series finale, since he thinks Jack Bender has earned himself that right.[7] "

[Senexx]

The ending didn't make the sense I was hoping for either but it was helluva lot better than the ending to the X-Files.

 

IIRC JJ said the final of LOST had been planned from the beginning.

[nnokwoodeye]

I read somewhere that MIB was stuck between life and death like the candy was stuck in the machine. he was releases by unplugging "life and death" and plugging it back again "and technically, it's legal".

[Alanna]

I don't know, I was very happy with it. Most of those questions, for me, didn't need to be answered. Either that, or there are answers that I 'assume' are right. I like that it was left open to interpretation. I think there are very few questions that were originally 'meant' to be answered and weren't (like how Walt was special - I'm sure there was supposed to be a storyline there, but it was dropped).

 

As for the island? *shrug* It's magic. That's enough answer for me in fantasy books, and it's enough answer for me with Lost.

[Cadsuane]

IIRC JJ said the final of LOST had been planned from the beginning.

 

No, the final scene had been planned: Jack closing his eye. Carlton Cuse and Damon Lindelof have been in charge for years, and it's their ending, in the larger sense.

[SinisterDeath]

Heres some food for thought.

 

Look at those who died on the island.

 

Physicist Guy obsessed with time travel,

Died in a time paradox where his mother killed him before finding out she killed her son, and tried to prevent him from going to the island to die.

 

Charlie - rock star - coke addict

Drowns in a submarine in the ocean, after saving preggers.

 

Locke - hanged/murdered, every time he was supposed to 'die' it happened against his 'will', he's always trying to do things that people say he can't do, he don't want to die, so someone has to 'force' him to.

 

Jack - Dies 'alone'

 

Syiad(sp, that iraqi guy)

Is stabbed/shot/kicked/ect, killed for doing something he feels he should be punished for.

 

Seems to me, everytime someone 'dies' or in this case 'passes on' to 'accept' there death, they've all done it in a manner that seems to 'fit' or at least go with how they 'think' they should die.

 

I still haven't seen the last 5? episodes but I did see the finale. No idea about anything concerning Jacob, or the smoke monster, but general consenssus is that the island isn't real, but it is, its about Jack, not about hurly or clair, or anybody else, Its about Jack trying to accept passing on.

 

The only problem with this is his father saying, everything that happened, Happened.

 

My best guess is this.

Last season when the H-bomb went off, JAck actually DID die.

Lets face it, you can't survive a freaking H-bomb at ground zero!

 

Also, WTF is with the numbers supposedly having to do with 'saving the world from doomsday', then it all being a 'purgatory'?

 

Giant magnetic wave-device thing that desmond dealt with (that was desmond right?) = bright light

 

Giant wheel moving the island causes bright light

 

Jack at end of episode enters a bright light.

 

Perhaps that '2nd reality' of him being home, and 'accepting death', wasn't real and the thought that the island was' purgatory' wasn't real at all, but simply the last few moments of jacks life going buy, trying to deny that he is dieing, So he convinces him self in those final few moments that he really did leave, and everything that happened, and those who escaped, ad lived, and died, Actually did live/die/escape.

 

I dunno, I think they did that ending to simply keep us all guessing.

Why through in so much 'plot' only to end it with'

"HAH! it didnt' actually happened" ;)

 

[Alanna]

Um...no. The island IS real, and everything that happened there really did happen. What wasn't 'real' was the flash-sideways, the alternate universe. Everything else was real. Jack died on the island (as we saw) after saving the island.

 

He didn't die with the H-Bomb. The H-Bomb only propelled them back into the present (and, my personal theory, I think the H-Bomb is how they 'created' the sideways universe for themselves, so they could find each other in the afterlife, kind of like Jack's dad said).

 

But no, the island wasn't purgatory, and it was definitely all real. Jack died at the end of all of it. That's why his dad said what happened, happened. Because it did.

[Lilbaz]

I think originally the island itself was supposed to be purgatory (the series was planned for three seasons) but due to the success it was stretched out so they had to add bits and change the story. Thought it was quite good and leaves room for books etc.. to explain more. Like wtf was the island/light etc... Why would the smoke monster escaping kill erevything? The MIB didn't seem to think so and he seemed a little smarter than Jacob.

[SinisterDeath]

Yea, Alanna, I came to a similar conclusion after more thought on it awhile back, kinda a 'duh', The sideways/ending scene = Jakes last few moments of life stretching out into the sideways, as he tries to cope with death, otherwise if it did/but/didn't actually happen, he would have never met all the other characters.

 

The H-Bomb part though, is critical to it I believe, simply because, the Sideways started AFTER the H-Bomb, its obvious Jake died after it, given what happened, and all that jazz, but theres still something fishy about the whole 'island' even after the h-bomb thing.

 

Perhaps it is entirely metaphysical and the boundary between life and death on the island is definately in flux...

 

But I still think that the way people 'die' in the show has some relevance to the theory that the island 'is' a purgatory of sorts... (Course thats just the media-generated answer that you see on all the talk-shows)

[Crael123]

ok i started watching Lost in the 6th season. so dont yell at me. but what was up with that huge statue foot thing?

 

 

but i thot the Lost finale was brilliantly done. the whole sawyer/ juliet scene gets me every time i see it.

 

also, when Locke and Jack were fighting, why didnt locke just turn into the smoke monster?

[Senexx]

He couldn't.

 

The light inside the island was out/off.  That made it so he could not change.

[ineedfourberfs]

The ending was complete bull.

 

Cop out. The mythology of Lost is what caught a lot of people's attention, and it turns out they were just grabbing bits of christinity, egyptology, and other relgious tropes, throwing them in a blender, and serving us the crap-tastic mush that spilled on the floor.

 

 

No words can describe my hatred for the six freakin' years I wasted on that show. No amount of discussion can turn that around, I did -not- get the answers about the workings of the island I wanted. Indeed, watched for.

 

worst. ending. ever.

 

/bitter

[Ozzie]

Well I liked it anyway.

 

Not enough science answers of course. I did enjoy the storytelling and the meetings of the characters in the "flashdeadwards". Simply put, everything that wasn;t on the Island in season 6 was all way in the metaphyyscial future. What happened on the Island, happened.