[STANDARD] Alanna's Robin Hood Mafia - Congrats to the Town!

Moghedian · May 16, 2010

Alright, here's my thoughts on the matter at hand. Our mafia consists of Pete, Pookie and either Tigs (who I am 90% sure of) or Moggy (who just pinged my radar with an odd post)

Funny thing about that, Pete. One reason why no one hammered her could be because she is scum and her scum buddies didn't want to hammer her.

... Or because they believe in using a 'No Lynch' when the only other option is to kill a (presumably) vanilla townie in a game where there is only a limited number of townies you can lynch before the mafia win.

For the record, I don't trust any of you- 'specially Talya- you can never trust those Black Tower denizens... *Nodnod* ;D

Moggy is a close runner up on Tigs for this post. A No Lynch would normally give us no information about the game and Day 1 is ALL about information. I have never heard anyone say it was better to have a No Lynch than a lynch. It is generally believed that a No Lynch just gives the mafia a free kill.

That's actually my view on pretty much every Day 1 bandwagon. It is just how I play

Moghedian · May 16, 2010

I just realised that I didn't actually explain why I don't like killing random people who say they are innocent on Day 1.

1. The chance that they are innocent (and this is especially true in 12 player games) is much higher than them being innocent. By having a bandwagon like we just had, you can get all the info you want about who wanted them dead and who didn't. Also the people who jumped on it at the end, who don't have to explain themselves... ::)

2. It is very likely that if the innocents have a finder, they would have viewed Pookie last night or will be planning to do so soon. I'm sure this means that if Pookie does turn out to be mafia, we will be subtly pushed towards voting for them in the next few days.

3. Because, I don't believe in mindless voting in mafia, as the innocents, bandwagons without decent evidence or suspicions are our biggest weakness.

Once again, I just don't like Day 1 bandwagons for the sake of lynching someone.

Talya · May 16, 2010

You seem to be getting a little het up about it all Pete. and please don't complaining about people meta gaming when you do it yourself. If they are doing it fine. I could see what he was getting at. He didn't say any of the others were posting on this board at that time. And you have been one to advocate a Lynch on day one, for information. You can't KNOW she is innocent, as this is a standard game and that wouldn't be in it. So you have to find out.

Something about the way she revealed made me think she may have been telling the truth, doesn't mean I was right, but there wasn't anyone else around to help vote for anyone else, and I prefer a Lynch on day 1. You get info from day 1 then and not have to wait until day 2 before you get any info.

If I want to Metagame, I would actually think you were on the innocents, because normally you don't speak as much when you are either cult or mafia, and I have caught you a couple times like that. I bear that in mind, but I don't use just that. Carry on with this victimisation that seems to come across in your posts, and you will pull people to you.

There conveniently seemed to be no one around on Day 1, it was a very low post count day, especially for day 1.

As for mindless voting as innocents is weak. However there has to be lynching otherwise you give the game to the mafia. They would love a game where there is never a lynch at the end of the day, that would mean THEY DON'T DIE!!! So there has to be voting, I think those that don't vote and get the game moving can be a hindrance to the Innocents as much as those that vote like sheep! The vote on day one was very much like that in both accounts!

:)

mnwhiterose · May 16, 2010

Okay, seriously, you need to calm down. This is a bit much for day 1 voting patterns. Now, I suggest we bring in some lusty wenches and drown our sorrows in a few pints. At least until everyone is friends again.

LilyElizabeth · May 16, 2010

Moggy, that makes sense. I've never looked at it like that. We DO still get the information, and the finder will probably view her soon. I like that post!

I've got a few people that interest me right now. Certainly the Aemon-Pete thing is interesting. Either one of them is scum (probably not both *smiles at Talya*) or one of them is mostly right and has pegged some scum. I'm going to watch a while longer before I have anything definitive to say.

Talya · May 16, 2010

Rose...you ruin my fun, I was just getting into it then. I like a good argument. I have had to watch my game for the last week or so, with no game to get my teeth into...it's not fair *pouts and downs a drink or two*

Now I would like Guy of Gisborne (from the New BBC series) please...he can serve me mine ;D

Odd I never even thought of Pete and Aemon like that Lily...

My beef about voting is that I have seen too many games that either go stagnant or the mafia wins, when the town don't bother voting and hide away. I like to play this game and get involved, it will mean that innocents will die, (unless we are totally lucky). I wish people would get more involved... *downs another drink*

Hmmm maybe I'd better not have any more, it's making me tipsy ;)

LilyElizabeth · May 16, 2010

*downs a couple of drinks too*

There's a difference between letting it stew a bit and hiding away, though, wouldn't you agree?

May 16, 2010

You seem to be getting a little het up about it all Pete. and please don't complaining about people meta gaming when you do it yourself. If they are doing it fine. I could see what he was getting at. He didn't say any of the others were posting on this board at that time. And you have been one to advocate a Lynch on day one, for information. You can't KNOW she is innocent, as this is a standard game and that wouldn't be in it. So you have to find out.

Something about the way she revealed made me think she may have been telling the truth, doesn't mean I was right, but there wasn't anyone else around to help vote for anyone else, and I prefer a Lynch on day 1. You get info from day 1 then and not have to wait until day 2 before you get any info.

If I want to Metagame, I would actually think you were on the innocents, because normally you don't speak as much when you are either cult or mafia, and I have caught you a couple times like that. I bear that in mind, but I don't use just that. Carry on with this victimisation that seems to come across in your posts, and you will pull people to you.

There conveniently seemed to be no one around on Day 1, it was a very low post count day, especially for day 1.

As for mindless voting as innocents is weak. However there has to be lynching otherwise you give the game to the mafia. They would love a game where there is never a lynch at the end of the day, that would mean THEY DON'T DIE!!! So there has to be voting, I think those that don't vote and get the game moving can be a hindrance to the Innocents as much as those that vote like sheep! The vote on day one was very much like that in both accounts!

:)

I was getting frustrated with why people asked I didn't switch my vote when I had posted it couple of times and no one caring enough to case me even mentioned it. ::)

As far as wanting a lynch on Day 1, I love getting one, but I was feeling uneasy about the lynch on Pookie, and I am about 95% sure she is town, I would rather risk a lynch on someone I am a lot less certain of could be town.

As far as metagaming on me, it would never work, I always play different, some games I am more vocal then others, and some I am more logical.

I don't fault anyone using metagaming as a strategy, because I use it myself. I just wish people would use it more affectively when they try to use it, and mix in osme current facts about the game, and suspicious plays from the game. Basing a vote solely on meta is weak reasoning and reeks of mafia case building to get an innocent lynched.

Moggy, that makes sense. I've never looked at it like that. We DO still get the information, and the finder will probably view her soon. I like that post!

I've got a few people that interest me right now. Certainly the Aemon-Pete thing is interesting. Either one of them is scum (probably not both *smiles at Talya*) or one of them is mostly right and has pegged some scum. I'm going to watch a while longer before I have anything definitive to say.

You forgot the scenario where we both could be innocent :o

It's never like you to leave out scenarios. (See metagaming here)

Like I said I don't suspect Aemon as mafia, because he strung together a whole team in his casing, if he would of focused solely on one person I may have been more inclined to believe him scum.

LilyElizabeth · May 16, 2010

Pete, read my post again. Actually, rereading it, I just said that it's likely some of eight people are scum. That's not rocket science, Lily. lol Sorry. I'm really distracted by another game that is pretty suspensful right now. This one is on night one, so, you know...... I'm sorry. You deserve attention, too.

aemonkristen · May 17, 2010

I was getting frustrated with why people asked I didn't switch my vote when I had posted it couple of times and no one caring enough to case me even mentioned it. ::)

I have reread everything and you never once mentioned that you thought Pookie to be innocent. Never.

Like I said I don't suspect Aemon as mafia, because he strung together a whole team in his casing, if he would of focused solely on one person I may have been more inclined to believe him scum.

Actually, there's one piece of info I think we might have. Unless there's someone who hasn't been on in the last two days when the vote was clearly looking to swing my way (besides Kati) then I'm pretty sure the mafia were all on me. Otherwise they would have swapped there to make that last vote and get rid of an innocent.

Pookie that logic is brilliant. I tend to agree with that statement and to further it on, I think Talya, Rose, and Aemon is where we should cast our eyes towards.

That was a little contradictory, Pete.

May 17, 2010

Just fixing that post I messed up.

Alright, here's my thoughts on the matter at hand. Our mafia consists of Pete, Pookie and either Tigs (who I am 90% sure of) or Moggy (who just pinged my radar with an odd post)

Actually, there's one piece of info I think we might have. Unless there's someone who hasn't been on in the last two days when the vote was clearly looking to swing my way (besides Kati) then I'm pretty sure the mafia were all on me. Otherwise they would have swapped there to make that last vote and get rid of an innocent.

Looks like an attempt to further project innocence after the vanilla claim. Also makes people focus on the people who voted for her rather than those who did not

Pookie that logic is brilliant. I tend to agree with that statement and to further it on, I think Talya, Rose, and Aemon is where we should cast our eyes towards.

Pete accepted that so easily it scares me. When he is town, he suspects EVERYONE. This looks like supporting a teammate. Becasue of that I did aa little investigating. On the day of the lynch he was posting in other forum and games, but never came by here. Between 5 and 6 he posted in DPR's vampire game and at 9:22 (CST) he posted in Lily's game. He could have come in to hammer Pookie, but decided to let it go to a No Lynch. That is scummy. Not even a reason for why he didn't want to vote.

I have learned to completely trust Pete's instincts. :-*

Also seems a lot like giving a teammate a helping hand. Why would she completely trust Pete on Day 1? Most people are highly suspicious of everyone on Day 1, yet she comes out declaring his innocence and throwing her support behind his factless (and somewhat odd) declaration of Pookies innocence.

Funny thing about that, Pete. One reason why no one hammered her could be because she is scum and her scum buddies didn't want to hammer her.

... Or because they believe in using a 'No Lynch' when the only other option is to kill a (presumably) vanilla townie in a game where there is only a limited number of townies you can lynch before the mafia win.

For the record, I don't trust any of you- 'specially Talya- you can never trust those Black Tower denizens... *Nodnod* ;D

Moggy is a close runner up on Tigs for this post. A No Lynch would normally give us no information about the game and Day 1 is ALL about information. I have never heard anyone say it was better to have a No Lynch than a lynch. It is generally believed that a No Lynch just gives the mafia a free kill.

I think we should finish what we started with Pookie tomorrow then move on to Pete and finish with Tigs.

I am flattered you cased me on day one based solely on metagaming. That means if I were scum, I have given you nothing to go on. Pookie's logic sounded a lot like something I would say. I liked the sound of it, I don't think Pookie is mafia. Plus I never suspect everyone there are always some people that I think are innocent just by the way they post.

Aemon I don't know how to feel about the casing, I can see it as both an innocent and scum move. What makes me think you are innocent is you strung together a whole mafia team, and didn't focus solely on one person.

You have done the mafia a favor however. They could kill you and then set up myself and your other suspects for quick lynches, or they could kill one of the people you suspect and set you up for a lynch.

Funny thing about that, Pete. One reason why no one hammered her could be because she is scum and her scum buddies didn't want to hammer her.

... Or because they believe in using a 'No Lynch' when the only other option is to kill a (presumably) vanilla townie in a game where there is only a limited number of townies you can lynch before the mafia win.

For the record, I don't trust any of you- 'specially Talya- you can never trust those Black Tower denizens... *Nodnod* ;D

I'm outraged! ;)

I wouldn't trust me neither...

Welcome Lily sweetie...you must be mafia, you always are logic dictates :D

Okay seriously, I actually misread Pookies post, I thought she was meant why those didn't unvote her and vote someone else...which I could see why not when there didn't seem enough people around to get a lynch that way. I can't see the mafia prefering a 'no lynch' to 'a lynch an innocent' Actually the votes may become more useful if/when Pookie dies, we will be able to look back then. We can try and second guess the mafia, but until we know the alignment on Pookie it's hard to tell. She could well have been telling the truth, but to claim a vanilla townie, when at the time not really close to being lynched is a little odd. It's not as though we can attest that. If she had a role then the real roled person (if she was lying) would know that, but a vanilla townie, every person apart from those with a role (innocents that is) will claim vanilla townie, even a mafia.

As for Pete, I have played with him and I don't alway trust his instincts, he has been off many times before. and right a few times, I would say very much like the rest of us. No offence Pet,e I don't follow you blindly and I never will... :-*

Looks like you are trying discredit me to just another voice in the crowd. Pinged my radar Talya, I still love you though.

Can you see it now Aemon. I love how you selectively chose what to read and understand. Plus people can change there minds based on evidence and game play.

I originally had the red text sized to 30 but I didn't want to get obnoxious ::)

aemonkristen · May 17, 2010

Let me say this again...you never mentioned anything about thinking Pookie was innocent BEFORE the deadline. You just let us go to a no-lynch. After I made my accusations you came out with thinking she was innocent. Which of course will put you in a bind when we lynch her come day and she flips scum.

Again I say, not metagaming. I noticed how Pookie shifted attention to everyone that voted for her. Only 6 people voted for her out of a possible 11. I find it EXTREMELY unlikely that all three mafia would have been on that bandwagon. That made me question her alignment. Then I found out that you were online and NEGLECTED TO POST HERE!. You could have said you didn't want to vote her because you thought she was innocent, but you did not. I name you and Pookie as scum with Tigs being the most likely third member for her support of both you and Pookie. We'll find out tomorrow who is right and who is dead.

dapianoplay3r · May 17, 2010

this game has taken off

Lily your a good influence, ever since you came things have started moving :D

(this doesnt mean your not scum, you just liven things up ;D)

LilyElizabeth · May 17, 2010

Who, me? Scum? NEVER! lol

Thanks. I think. :P

May 17, 2010

Let me say this again...you never mentioned anything about thinking Pookie was innocent BEFORE the deadline. You just let us go to a no-lynch. After I made my accusations you came out with thinking she was innocent. Which of course will put you in a bind when we lynch her come day and she flips scum.

Again I say, not metagaming. I noticed how Pookie shifted attention to everyone that voted for her. Only 6 people voted for her out of a possible 11. I find it EXTREMELY unlikely that all three mafia would have been on that bandwagon. That made me question her alignment. Then I found out that you were online and NEGLECTED TO POST HERE!. You could have said you didn't want to vote her because you thought she was innocent, but you did not. I name you and Pookie as scum with Tigs being the most likely third member for her support of both you and Pookie. We'll find out tomorrow who is right and who is dead.

Who said there were three mafia Aemon?

Plus, I never said I said anything about my reasoning before deadline, that never came into question. People asked me why after wards and I said I didn't think she was scum. Lynch her tomorrow if that will satiate you.

Again I say my definition of meta is different then yours so it was meta for me. :P

You can't string people together like that Aemon, mafia wouldn't be so obvious on day one, well at least none with any tact would. I wasn't the only one who didn't vote for Pookie. Your rehashed points, and out of context quotes have gone on long enough. I am threw with this argument, and I am going to get down to some actual scum hunting, and not some fanatic witch hunt.

Oh about my neglect, I am sporadically online, imbetween this game, DPR's, Lily's, Kiv's, I have to post sparingly unless like on weekends I have a bunch of free time. I think I may have went to eat after I posted in DPR's game, and then I might of posted in Lily's when I got back. My wife is pregnant and gets cravings, or asks me to do things for her, so I do them, and put DM second.

Also I did say I believed her innocent, it was just after deadline when I said it. If I would of said that day one you would of said weak reasoning and hounded me again. I agree with Pookie, if she is innocent, which I believe her to be, the mafia would have all been on her wagon because one would have slipped the hammer in to kill a townie. And if she were scum one member on her wagon is most likely scum and the other two are on people who didn't vote for her.

mnwhiterose · May 17, 2010

I'm just saying we all need to chill and relax and not take things personally. I've seen games where the game has been taken personally because people metagame. Not naming names, because I play a very clean game. Not always a good game, but a clean game.

And I think this is the most I've seen in talking and gaming during night 1.

*pours Talya another drink*

This game's always better drunk. Knock down the barriers of our tongues.

May 17, 2010

Nothing person, just tired of reiterating points, and being hounded when people have done the same as me, and are not getting the spot light. I don't mind arguments in mafia games, it is what makes them fun, but arguments on new points keep the game circulating

aemonkristen · May 17, 2010

I'm not hounding. I'm just trying to make a point.

Why 3 mafia? Because this is a standard game. That means 3 mafia, a finder, a doc and probably a vig/sk. That's the nice thing about standard games. You can be pretty sure of what you're up against. Anyway, I think we'll have night results pretty soon. Deadline was 11 EST.

LilyElizabeth · May 17, 2010

There is another standard set up with 2 mafia teams of 2 each. I've used it. It didn't go so well....lol. Wes says it's unbalanced. So, at the most, we have 4.

Tigraine · May 17, 2010

Wow! First of all I wanna say that some of you really need to lay off of the mafia games...I bet you see conspiracies in your bath water. ::)

The post about trusting Pete was kind of an inside joke, sorry it caused you an aneurysm Aemon :P

I would also like for you to tell me Aemon, where exactly do I defend Pookie? I was the first vote on her...albeit a Day 1 random vote, but a bandwagon ensued and I didn't try to hurry and jump off to distance myself from the lynch of a presumed innocent. I don't care if you think I am mafia, it's the name of the game...but if you are gonna try to use logic and facts, might I suggest you actually find some facts. :-*

aemonkristen · May 17, 2010

Actually, there's one piece of info I think we might have. Unless there's someone who hasn't been on in the last two days when the vote was clearly looking to swing my way (besides Kati) then I'm pretty sure the mafia were all on me. Otherwise they would have swapped there to make that last vote and get rid of an innocent.

Pookie that logic is brilliant. I tend to agree with that statement and to further it on, I think Talya, Rose, and Aemon is where we should cast our eyes towards.

I have learned to completely trust Pete's instincts. :-*

Right there. Pookie says she is innocent and all the mafia MUST have voted for her. Pete agrees with her wholeheartedly. You agree with Pete wholeheartedly, thus supporting Pookie. You support Pookie. It's clear as day.

Tigraine · May 17, 2010

::) I didn't pull my vote off of her Aemon...that kinda throws your case out the window. I have no idea if Pookie is town or not...same with Pete. The vote on Pookie was messing around, same as the comment about Pete.

Talya · May 17, 2010

Pete, aweetie, you need to calm down. There are inconsistencies in what you have said. You accuse Aemon that he shouldn't group people together and yet you do it (see quote above in Aemons post) In fact you did it before him.

I have actually metagamed you a few times and I have been right, so that statement you said was not true ;)

And also i take it that because of My meta gaming I would say that you are actually innocent (could be wrong and I'll hold up my hands to it). When I have seen you as scum you have played totally differently, but I could be wrong, I have been many times. Pete I wasn't trying to discredit you just point out you are as fallible as the rest of us and I don't think you are the best player around. If you don't like that i'm sorry. I'm with Naeann on the worshipping going on, in fact I would say she was a better player than you. don't go blowing your own trumpet too much it will blow all over you ;) (and no I wasn't being personally just setting that bit straight, because I think you are a great guy pete...just not perfect ;) )

Anyway we are still in night 1 lets see whjat happens in the morning.

Actually Lily a Standard game is 3 mafia...it's how we used to do the beginners games here. Anything outside that is NOT a standard game and shouldn't be run as such. the whole point of standard is that it is easier for newbies to follow!

I would say that 3 Mafia in this game is a safe bet!

*downs her drinks...*

Just what I needed for my breakfast, thanks rose :D

LilyElizabeth · May 17, 2010

I'm just going by the setups they give us to work from, Tal. Like I said, that setup is flawed, anyway.

Pookie · May 17, 2010

Oh good lord... I hope I'm either viewed or dead come morning. I've done absolutely everything possible to express my innocence without revealing a character, which I'm not allowed to do. I hinted and for those who haven't figured it out I'll add that in the BBC series my character stayed in the Holy Land after Marian's death. Sorry it's vanilla and not some fancy role you'd care about. ::) *mumbles* Standard game... *counts on her fingers* either 2 mafia teams of 2, a mafia of 3 and a SK, or a mafia of 3 and a vig... that's 4... add a doc and a cop... 6... wow, in 12 that leaves SIX vanilla... fancy having someone reveal as that! Of course, anyone who does must be scummy... ::)

Both Aemon and Pete are freaking me out. Aemon because he's going for blood like I haven't seen before and Pete because he actually liked my logic. I still think the only other info that would have been given if I did die was 1) who hammered and 2) that I was telling the truth about my role. We still have a lot to go on without losing an innocent.

I have a guess who Rose is, but it applies more to Disney and less to BBC. ;) *hands her a jug and straightens her robe*

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