Did the ancient city of Tyre inspire Tear?

[Som1else]

So I was in church to day and was kinda bored so i open up my bible to aa random page which happend to be in the "T" section of the index and there was an entry for Tyre normally i wouldnt have noticed this but the word right next to it was "Rock" this made me wonder if this anceit city inspired the city of tear in the wheel of time and believe it or not Tyre was a port city that had a lot of similarities to the city in randland i would elaborate more on its similarities but cant find my bible so cant read the entrie. but if you know anything more about this city or other cities that inspired ones in randland post here 

[Locke]

Tyre was a Persian city I believe.

[rubbernilly]

It had a part of the city on land and another portion on an island (where the true wealth was).

 

You bring up an interesting comparison in that Tyre was the subject of a prophecy that it would fall (to Nebuchadnezzar), which it did not*.

 

Sound familiar? "The Stone of Tear would not fall until the people of the Dragon..."

 

I don't know that there is very much more in the way of connection, and even this seems coincidental, at best. But still interesting, though.

 

 

*This is something of a hotly debated topic -- Ezekiel's failed prophecy -- which I don't think is really right to drag into the thread. There are apologetics regarding the prophecy (and Ezekiel's admission that it failed, later), of course, and it is a matter of personal belief.

[Thorum]

Tyre is an old city, but it still exists. It's located on the southern coast of Lebanon, under the Lebanese name of 'Sur'.

 

And it was Phoenician, not Persian. A millenium earlier ;D.

 

They are the founders of Carthage (the one Rome fought against in the beginning).

[water_seeker]

There's a few references in the Bible to Tyre and Sidon.  Bashere is the lord of Tyr and Sidona...

[Malruhn]

Tyre also figures prominently in Masonic mythology - which RJ has incorporated wholeheartedly into his series.

[Suttree]

Sure the influences come from a number of places but the names and fashions(puffy sleeved coats, oiled beards and moustaches) of Tear's nobility are most likely based on Renaissance Spain. The defenders of the stone are also very similar to spanish conquistadores...

[MrAdams]

Intresting thread...

 

Sure the influences come from a number of places but the names and fashions(puffy sleeved coats, oiled beards and moustaches) of Tear's nobility are most likely based on Renaissance Spain. The defenders of the stone are also very similar to spanish conquistadores...

 

Hrm, i can agree with your first point, but the second i dont really know, if my memory serves me right the conquistadores was the "exploring" and "colonial guardamen" part of the spanish empire. Tho i might be all wrong.

 

I remember that some years ago i had a theory where RJ got he's inspiration for carhien, but cant recall what it was, will report back when i figure it out (if i do).

 

Adams out.

[Suttree]

Intresting thread...

 

Sure the influences come from a number of places but the names and fashions(puffy sleeved coats, oiled beards and moustaches) of Tear's nobility are most likely based on Renaissance Spain. The defenders of the stone are also very similar to spanish conquistadores...

 

Hrm, i can agree with your first point, but the second i dont really know, if my memory serves me right the conquistadores was the "exploring" and "colonial guardamen" part of the spanish empire. Tho i might be all wrong.

 

I remember that some years ago i had a theory where RJ got he's inspiration for carhien, but cant recall what it was, will report back when i figure it out (if i do).

 

Adams out.

 

Sorry I should have specified, just meant similarities in uniform. Puffy sleeve coats and crested, rimmed helmets. Also names of the noble houses such as Saniago.

[MrAdams]

Intresting thread...

 

Sure the influences come from a number of places but the names and fashions(puffy sleeved coats, oiled beards and moustaches) of Tear's nobility are most likely based on Renaissance Spain. The defenders of the stone are also very similar to spanish conquistadores...

 

Hrm, i can agree with your first point, but the second i dont really know, if my memory serves me right the conquistadores was the "exploring" and "colonial guardamen" part of the spanish empire. Tho i might be all wrong.

 

I remember that some years ago i had a theory where RJ got he's inspiration for carhien, but cant recall what it was, will report back when i figure it out (if i do).

 

Adams out.

 

Sorry I should have specified, just meant similarities in uniform. Puffy sleeve coats and crested, rimmed helmets. Also names of the noble houses such as Saniago.

 

Ah now i get it!

[Thanatos]

If I am not mistaken, wasn't Tyre seiged by Alexander the Great.  May be confusing it with another, but I thought that Tyre was the place where the people fled to the island, and Alexander had his soldiers line boats up next to each other and tie them together as a makeshift bridge.  Then he got to the island and they all promptly surrendered. 

 

B-a-d A-s-s.

[Beer Rot]

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=wiki+tyre

 

Tyre is listed as Sour in lebanon if anyone feels like checking google maps.