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rubbernilly

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  1. I don't think it was a prophecy about Nynaeve that you are remembering. I think it was just a comment by Min made in conversation after Nynaeve has been particularly bristly... "Oh, don't mind her. She [Nynaeve] won't be happy until she's healed someone three days dead." Not saying that she won't do this very thing (some people have speculated on using tel'aran'rhiod, possibly to heal a dead Rand), but I don't think that there is the prophetic "oomph" there that there might be with something she clearly defines as a vision in the narrative.
  2. It's a good question, though asked about the wrong person/being, I think. What I mean is... was it the DO or the Dreadlords/Forsaken who decided not to use balefire? My impression was it was the Dreadlords themselves, specifically for fear of tearing apart the pattern. If the DO really wants to destroy the Pattern, then I'd say that the Dreadlords/Forsaken (save for Ishamael) just didn't understand that fact. They were all seduced by the lure of ruling under the DO, unaware that he wanted to actually destroy everything. But like I said, your question is valid, but it needs to be asked of
  3. You're already past the one thing I make sure I tell a new reader of the series... If I want someone to read the series, I make sure to by them book 1 AND 2. I tell them that Book 1 is something of an artificial ending because RJ/Tor didn't know if it was going to sell, so they should give the series until Book 2 to really understand the scope and payoff that the series promises.
  4. I say no. A lot of people are going to say Elayne, but... If we say that Rand's love for Min, Elayne, and Aviendha is roughly equivalent, and we use Gaidal/Birgitte as a guide, then I have to think that either all 3 are tied to Rand's soul or none of them are. If Ilyena is reborn as someone in Rand's life... if she is important enough to *be* reborn... then she should be important enough to be exclusive in Rand's life. We know that Ilyena did not become split into 3 people, so if Ilyena *is* Elayne, then who *were* Min and Aviendha? So, no. I'm not buying her being reb
  5. OK, but that's part of what I'm trying to understand. There was plenty of time from the drilling of the Bore to the seals being put into place where the DO had unmitigated contact with the world -- if only through the Bore. All of the Forsaken eventually turned to the shadow, and then earned their various nicknames destroying cities, or raising street urchin armies... you know, like you do when you're an uber-baddie. What are we to expect when the seals are finally broken? Are you thinking that the Bore is going to be bigger than it was when the seals weren't stopping his access? Big enou
  6. I thought we had a quote from RJ that said basically that, yes, the Light's champion had gone over to the shadow in ages past... that Rand's defiant statement to Ishi was more belief than factual knowledge. I could definitely be wrong about that, because I also remember the quote from RJ that "Ishamael is a lying liar who lies." So, I'm not exactly sure. That said, everything that the DO has managed to do by himself thus far is only color/texture to the greater goal of destroying-the-Pattern/ending-Time. If he can't do that from outside of the Pattern (or can't do that from solely outside
  7. The chaos seems to be a tool rather than an end in and of itself... you know, keeping the forces of the light off balance and unable to respond/retaliate when he makes his move. But you have a good point that we might have to define the form of the battle in order to understand the victory conditions of the DO.
  8. Very simple question, what does the Dark One need to win? What does God need with a starship? Sorry, wrong universe. Back to the point... We know what the DO would do if he were to win. We know that in the past the champion of the light has gone over to the shadow, so that alone cannot be what the DO needs... else he wouldn't be trapped anymore. So what is the DO's game? It seems he has been maneuvering for this particular Turning of the Wheel for several Ages now... maybe even several Turnings of the Wheel... to get the dominoes aligned just so. What is he missing?
  9. Brandon refused to verify whether the Seanchan can make cuendillar, and when asked about that copy that survived after Rand balefired Semi and Elza, Brandon said that the question of whether it was cuendillar didn't matter to the scene. IOW, even non-cuendillar items would have survived because the bracelets were deemed "not integral to the person" by team-Jordan.
  10. Relationships without love seems rare in this series. Relationships? Yes. Hookups? Not rare at all. You have read Mat's storyline, right? Not only his many dalliances (hookups) but his marriage... That's what you'd call a 'relationship', but it's the coldest, most loveless relationship in the books, IMO. Or the whole notion of "pillow friends"?
  11. Question: Before tGS, did we ever see floors of the White Tower referred to by number? Or did we instead only get a sense of how many flights up or down someone climbed? The references to a particular floor by that floor's number (like the novice quarters being on the 22nd level... a second command center had been established on the 22nd level... the Captain-General of the Green Ajah wonders to herself how many flights she has climbed and guesses that she is on the 22nd level) seemed to be an imposition of the modern world on the WoT universe. Or have we seen this before?
  12. Here's to being patient. ...and hopelessly optimistic.
  13. It had a part of the city on land and another portion on an island (where the true wealth was). You bring up an interesting comparison in that Tyre was the subject of a prophecy that it would fall (to Nebuchadnezzar), which it did not*. Sound familiar? "The Stone of Tear would not fall until the people of the Dragon..." I don't know that there is very much more in the way of connection, and even this seems coincidental, at best. But still interesting, though. *This is something of a hotly debated topic -- Ezekiel's failed prophecy -- which I don't think is really right t
  14. Had to recall this thread. Ahh, good times. Put another WoTLOLcat up, but since it has tGS spoilers, don't click on the link unless you have read that book... SPOILERS IF YOU CLICK ON THE LINK: http://cheezburger.com/View.aspx?aid=3292329728
  15. It is really very simple. "Side-step" is the verb infinitive. Put it in the correct tense to convey that Fain not only side-stepped the Pattern, but that he is still "to the side" of the Pattern's "will."
  16. "of the Pattern" is different from "in the Pattern" You do not violate RJ's quote at all to say that Fain is not *of* the Pattern, since he is still *in* the Pattern just not directed *by* the Pattern (under this interpretation). You seem to enjoy getting lost in the fog of a discussion when a page long post comes your way. Too much room for crawling through the cracks and leaving most everything unanswered. However, when called out for answers on specifics, you fall strangely silent.
  17. Really quickly, because I only have a moment... As for why the bracelets didn't warp back to their pre-balefire erasure position, it could very well be that Rand only burned Semi and Elza back a few moments. It is possible that they had been standing in that position long enough that they were (basically) in the same place when Semi and Elza disappeared. However, I don't necessarily buy the fact that they were 1/3 of a larger ter'angreal as the reason that they weren't burned out by the balefire. Once Rand shattered the collar, the link was gone, too. Otherwise Rand would have still
  18. Oh. My. God. I don't truck with all that Bela nonsense, but that was absolutely, positively, FREAKIN' hilarious.
  19. Right, which is why I think that this is a lapse on Sanderson's part. I just don't think he or Maria thought about the implications of jewelry or coins on a balefired person... other items that would not have been directly hit by the balefire stream, but which did not drop to the floor wherever they were x-minutes ago. Maybe we'll find out different if Maria gets back to Luckers. But, like I wrote above: If: The TP can destroy cuendillar (given, based on quote from Sanderson), AND Jewelry on a balefired person is also erased from the pattern, THEN Conclusion 1: If the b
  20. Birgitte would have the reborn of Gaidal (who was born or conceived during the time of Fires of Heaven); Uno was born before the main series. I don't think anyone is suggesting that Uno would be Gaidal... just that Birgitte's knowledge of her relationship to Gaidal isn't a stop to her getting a little freaky with Uno. Gaidal is, at most, an infant... and a woman has needs. And she likes her some ugly.
  21. When were vacuoles first mentioned? I have postulated elsewhere that this could be a way for this to be a final time for the DO having access to the wheel (giving us something of a true ending to the story... not just this incarnation of it). The idea involved Shaidar Haran, Fain, a vacuole, 2 bushels of yak hair, and 12 pounds of cottage cheese. ...well, the cottage cheese and yak hair weren't necessary. I won't go into the idea here, this isn't the place. I'll just say that if a vacuole played into the final confrontation with the DO, it would make sense that this could be the
  22. No points? Try "No points that you can answer." Go back and read my examples. I come up with a range of 45 mean strength to 85 mean strength. It matters what strength of channelers are woven into the Pattern, and where.
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