Shadow over Fiddlesmouth Game Thread [GAME OVER, TOWN WINS]

[Alys Kinch]

I am not sure if there is an actual code correlation. More like inference from what I think I understood. Less letters in the word I propose as being phase.

[DPR]

 

I'm just getting back from work, and I forgot something and have to go back, sooooo give me a little bit to answer pm's.

[Guest dragonsworn1991]

I think the growing suspicion you have Alys is the same one I have. Maybe Lavinya is scum and she what she is doing is helping fulfill the second win condition. That is all just speculation of course. I have no reason to doubt Lavinya until she gives us evidence to do so.

[Lavinya]

Alys, I already explained why it took me so long to view DPR. Night one I viewed Thorum, night two was Nae (she was seriously pinging me, even more than you and DPR at the time. Obviously I was wrong, but why view him over someone I thought looked scummier?). Night three which I think everyone has already guessed I viewed you, Alys. It was a toss up there, I will admit, and I was wrong, since it was DPR that was guilty. Night four hit DPR, night 5 hit Anox.

 

It's a sign of the brilliance of the mod mind that in his game the innocent finder can look guilty for actually doing her job too well. :P If there was no other win condition THAT WE DON'T KNOW ABOUT, you would be worshipping me as your god...well at least patting me on the back. I will not reveal any information I receive this time, not until we can learn some more. I agree, the super fast days aren't helping us discover enough to find the vessel, though how can we find them when they don't even know who they are? It comes back to the relics. The only relic I have ever had was the one DPR stole, which I stole back unused in the same cycle. I have not seen any others, have not been successful in stealing anything else.

 

You have to take me at my word, obviously, but let me clear anyway. Second guessing me and wasting time agonising over my alignment is just that - wasted time. Pete, I've said it before and I've said it again, you trying to cast suspicion on me seems like a desperate bid to slow me down. Perhaps the mafia aren't in position for their unknown win condition at all, and they're losing members before they can require the relics they need or something like that. I don't know, but anyone who seriously fights against my claim is either insane or scum!

[Alys Kinch]

OK, yes, I figured you would say you viewed me. But I guess I missed where you gave that reason, Lav. Try not to be so hard on Pete though. It is always a thought in the back of a good townie's mind when a finder claimed early. Could this person be setting me up? And with successful mafia hits elsewhere EVERY night rather than missing nights due to trying to get at you with no evidence the healer is still alive.... It takes paranoia, but that doesn't make one scum for seeing it.

 

Pete... Why do you think that is my current suspicion? (It isn't, but there is still merrit...) And yes, a Kivam gambit/fake finder claim would murder us atm, but... We also have the ability to refute it by not acting until we figure something out about the vessel. ... If we can bother to act together on anything excepting finder claims.

 

Lav, you stole back the same relic DPR stated that he used?

[aemonkristen]

I do not think that there is any way to find the vessel. Whether the vessel is already dead or stoll alive doesn't really matter that much. What we have to do is figure out the second win condition. Is it just having a specific set of relics? Which relics? (that one is pretty obvious from all the previous posts)Do they have to do something with the relics once they have them? Does there have to be a specific number of mafia remaining to activate the relics to then activate the second win condition? Right now, I still say we need to get the cultists as fast as possible. The longer we wait the better the chance that they can steal the relics they need for the second win condition.

[Guest dragonsworn1991]

If the mafia want relics why are they killing off active players like Nae? The inactive ones are the players most likely to have something to hide.

 

Lav, I said I am still putting my faith in you but I like to keep people thinking, I would rather not have the wool pulled over my eyes if I can help it.

 

Alys, it just felt like something you would think of with all the accurate mafia hits, and no attempts at Lavinya's life.

[Lavinya]

No Alys, it is unused as yet, I stole it back before he could use it.

 

I understand your suspicions, I just want to state as emphatically as I can that I am not trying to help out the mafia here.

 

 

[WWWwombat]

Maybe Lavinya is scum and she's counting on us being suspicious of her so we lynch the last scum!

 

[move]W I F O M[/move]

[Jeran]

Since there doesn't seem to be any way of knowing who the vessel is I don't see the point in worrying about it. If someone dies tonight then there is only a 46% chance of the vessel being alive.

[aemonkristen]

Thank you, Jeran. Our only hope of winning this thing is by killing off the remaining mafia ASAP.

[DPR]

 

Get those night actions in and I'll post a tasty scene for you...

[Alys Kinch]

Yes, Aemon... Sure. Look at the numbers. We should have some time to figure this out. Except that some players don't participate much. Meh. With the recent deaths and comments, you have only moved up my suspicions list.

[aemonkristen]

Riiiiiiight. Because killing mafia is bad. I'll keep that in mind Alys. Would you rather we went after innocents? Help the mafia along? What exactly do you object to in my wanting to kill mafia? Let's look at it like this. If they have all the relics they need to set the second win condition (if that's what they have to do), then all they have to do is die off or keep NKing till they win the normal way. Kivam has already told us that NO ONE knows who the vessel is. If we follow your advice and start lynching innocent we might get the vessel, but how would we know? And why would we want to do the mafia's job for them? I don't trust you, Alys. You keep trying to bring the focus back to the relics and away from actually winning the game. What is your agenda?

[Guest dragonsworn1991]

If we kill the mafia and the vessel still lives the mafia still wins. So blindly killing mafia is not the best course of actions at the moment. I am agreeing with Alys, that last comment just seemed like a filer post. Everyone knows we need to kill scum in order for the town to win.

[aemonkristen]

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Wkh short days phdq less stealing.

 

Lw is really kdug to not eh able to wdon about things brz know about vrph relics.  :(

I figured out the code. D=A and go from there.

 

"The short days means less stealing. It is really hard to not be able to talk about things you know about some relics"

 

I'm guessing Pookie tried a relic and got a PR out of it.Tried a second relic and got an additional PR. For what it's worth, that means Pookie is likely to have 2 relics (unless one or both have been stolen), But we can safely say that these relics have not been activated by another person. Were they one shot relics or multiple charge relics? We won't know that until end game I think.

 

EDIT: Hardly a filler post, Pete. I am just amazed at the number of people who think killing mafia is a bad idea. The vessel is an unknown quantity and we have to treat it as such. That means we need to get rid of the mafia now, before our numbers are to low to do so. Or do you also advocate killing off more innocents?

[Guest dragonsworn1991]

The vessel is hardly an unknown. Reading the OP it makes it apparent that there is something that will clue someone into the identity of the vessel. Aemon you are starting to climb higher up my radar, if I wasn't so sure I knew Alys's role, then I would be worried about her.

[Alys Kinch]

Riiiiiiight. Because killing mafia is bad. I'll keep that in mind Alys.

Indicate to me where I said that? Pretty sure you can’t because I’m pretty sure I said town dying because they were too short sighted is bad.

 

What exactly do you object to in my wanting to kill mafia?

I object to your refusal to want to find the vessel which the moderator specifically said would cause the town to lose even if we root out all mafia. See, it’s the reading of the details of the game that make you go, “OH! I get it!”

 

PS I’m betting the second secret win condition has to do with the Haunter.

 

Kivam has already told us that NO ONE knows who the vessel is.

Where does that say no one CAN know? There is no chance of anyone finding out? Yeah, I don’t see it anywhere. It says that no one started off knowing. You don’t put in an uncounterable win condition.

 

If we follow your advice and start lynching innocent we might get the vessel, but how would we know?

Where did I post THAT advice?? *looks* Nope, still don’t see it.

 

You keep trying to bring the focus back to the relics and away from actually winning the game.

Relics are the key to winning. Uh, yeah. Said that. Kivam all but said it. I believe the mod over you.

 

I am agreeing with Alys, that last comment just seemed like a filer post.

Misdirection not filler. The WIFOM of which I was speaking is in this. See, DPR was clever with his unpredictability. He didn’t want anyone to be able to go back and figure out his game. Yes, that’s pure meta. He was half truth and half lies, unless I miss my guess. Which is which? I think the mafia are likely to want us to slaughter them as a backup plan. To top it off, this little buzzing in the back of my head is telling me that the mafia might already know how to find the vessel or have found them.

 

I figured out the code. D=A and go from there.

 

"The short days means less stealing. It is really hard to not be able to talk about things you know about some relics"

Your code key doesn’t make sense to me. Doesn’t account for the differences in word length. Explain if it is difference in key board or alphabetical ordering or somethign else entirely.

[aemonkristen]

There is no difference in word length, Alys. To figure out the code, all you have to do is write the alphabet on one line and under it start the alphabet again beginning under the letter D with the latter A. That will let us decode what Pookie is trying to say. I say you want to kill townies because everytime someone mentions killing mafia, you start going on about the relics and waiting and trying to figure things out first and how anyone who doesn't agree with you is trying to WIFOM or scam everyone in some way. How does that not translate to "don't kill the mafia"? I'lll say it again, the vessel is a non-entity.

The vessel is hardly an unknown. Reading the OP it makes it apparent that there is something that will clue someone into the identity of the vessel. Aemon you are starting to climb higher up my radar, if I wasn't so sure I knew Alys's role, then I would be worried about her.

The vessel is an unknown person. That is hardly an uncounterable win condition. And at the rate we're dying off, the vessel could very well be dead already. We can PRESUME that the vessel is not a mafia member as that would absolutely negate the win condition. Could the vessel be somebody who has a role? Absolutely. Is there a way to find out? The OP says that at the beginning of the game, no one knows who the vessel is. There is probably a relic out there that works as a vessel finder. Too bad Alys doesn't want anyone to use their relics. Something like that might come in handy for the town, don't you think? If there is such a relic, I think we can be assured that one of four things have happened: 1) a townie has it and hasn't found the vessel yet. 2) The vessel was found and lynched with none the wiser but the person who found out. 3) The vessel has already been lynched/NKed and we won't know who it was till the game is over. 4) The mafia has the relic and is trying to find/has found the relic and is doing everything they can to keep the relic alive. In the last case, it might be a good idea to see where the known cult members were voting and if they seemed to be protecting someone. It could just be another cult member or it could be the vessel. I STILL say we have no choice but to vote for scum and I am confused why this annoys Pete and Alys so much that I'm "pinging their radar". It just doesn't make sense.

 

[Tigraine]

I agree that worrying about the vessel is just pointless!  We WILL NOT know who the vessel is, alive or dead, it wastes time and energy.  I know that saying that, fingers are gonna be pointed at me and people will say that makes me scum...I don't care.  I don't sit and think about the day that I will eventually die.  You know why?  'Cause I will never know until it happens anyway and therefore I can't do anything about it.

 

I agree also with the fact that trying to figure out the second win condition IS important but I have no idea where to start on that.

 

The relics are a very important subject but, with the restrictions we have with talking about them, I don't know how much can get done there.  For example, this set of 3 that everyone has mentioned, do we know if they are in the game?  I don't see how as we are forbidden to mention if we have one or had one so the only people that would know are the ones that have one or more, if anyone does. 

 

Where does that leave us?  We could start killing off townies in the hopes that we get the vessel, without ever knowing until the game is over...or we could still focus on killing the mafia just maybe try to let the days last a little longer before we kill them off.  To be honest with you though, I don't know how much good that would do as we are allowed to talk at night.

 

We could for a few minutes, stop pointing fingers, and try to rationally figure out this 2nd win condition.  I know that the mafia will try to lead us away from the right one but if one of us get it out there and it makes sense then someone saying "no that's not it let's think of something else" would look kinda suspicious huh?

 

Finally, Alys, no matter what, you have been the best at figuring out what can and can't be said about the relics, so maybe you should focus questions to each person, in a fishing way, with questions that push the envelope but don't break the seal.  <-----(very long sentence)  The more we can figure out the better...but let's stop arguing over the few things that we can't figre out and move onto the ones we can.

[Alys Kinch]

I say you want to kill townies because everytime someone mentions killing mafia, you start going on about the relics and waiting and trying to figure things out first and how anyone who doesn't agree with you is trying to WIFOM or scam everyone in some way. How does that not translate to "don't kill the mafia"? I'lll say it again, the vessel is a non-entity.

Right. We disagree.  I have game set up in my favor. You? You chose to ignore the blade at your ribs in favor of the one at your throat. Fear the known, ignore the unknown.  I’d prefer figuring out how to counter both.

 

And at the rate we're dying off, the vessel could very well be dead already.

Only about half of us are dead. It’s Night 6. That’s normally end game. I’d say that’s actually a pretty decent number still alive. It goes without saying, this will only continue to hold true so long as the inactives become active...

 

Too bad Alys doesn't want anyone to use their relics.

You must have missed the posts where, after researching with several other parties, I stated which ones I believe should not be used and the rest should be used with caution. Sorry.  ::)

 

I STILL say we have no choice but to vote for scum and I am confused why this annoys Pete and Alys so much that I'm "pinging their radar". It just doesn't make sense

Ignoring a rule in game setup isn’t a brilliant move and you’ve yet to quit counseling to do so…  :o I know, such a stretch.

 

For example, this set of 3 that everyone has mentioned, do we know if they are in the game?

Had one. I’ll bet Pookie and Hybrid did too. Please note they’ve said something about them…

 

Finally, Alys, no matter what, you have been the best at figuring out what can and can't be said about the relics, so maybe you should focus questions to each person

Tried it. People got annoyed and refused to answer as they thought I was trying to get them mod killed. And probably everyone should be helping with this.

 

Also, based on what has happened, I think I know where the next kill will be placed… I need to see tomorrow to know if I should ask a question I want to ask.

 

[Tigraine]

I don't know what to say and not to say about the relics.  I don't even know if people are allowed to say they have them or have to wait until they are stolen.  What can be said about them is very limited, not to mention instructions included with some of them (I know somebody mentioned that before).

[Alys Kinch]

Clarification: Just saying that I don't want to give anyone any ideas they didn't think of themselves since it is mafia's turn to act.

 

Tigs, hints and beating around the bush are great. Direct names and uses are a no no. So if you or anyone had something that can be hinted at (prob can't use the yes/no cheat method...) so that we can help each other to solve this thing... More minds on the task mean more possibilites brought up. Please note that Al used the links to things that corresponded with what he knew or figured out, and I was able to quote things that I had seen with no call down. Just a pay attention to this or there might be something here, I think are ok, so far.

[Tigraine]

this set of 3 that everyone has mentioned, do we know if they are in the game?  

 

Had one.

[Alys Kinch]

Just wait. You will be called cheeky.