[DPR MAFIA] The Cannibal Wars - Talya, MN & Verbal win!

[Naeann]

True (though that would only be 8/22, since Pandy's dead  ;D) - but the problem is that if there really are 3 mason groups out there, neither of the other two groups has an incentive to be first.  

 

Honestly, if there's a second mason group out there, 1 person should come forward and claim it.  Then, if there's a third, one of their members come forward.  At that point, the numbers would be pretty compelling (say, 11 of 22) and we could then have each mason team reveal all of the members on it.

well.. pandy being dead is why I said 9 instead of 10 ;) .. nae seemed to hint that her team had more then 4, which would makes sense cause this is a bigger game then the other one..

 

And i agree about 1 coming forward, but again, not till morning as i still haven't been confirmed as a mason over there, which i'm sure the scum/cult will use to get another of my team lynched (which includes Kivam)

[Naeann]

With an original 23 players... IF it's set up the same as the MJ game and IF there are 5 each here instead of 4... thats 15 out of 23 we could have had cleared to leave us with the 8 other players.  Mafia of 5 Cult of 3?  Not saying thats how it is.  Just a thought.

 

I have an inkling there IS at least one other mason team from the way some people have been reacting to me and my reveal.

[Toy and Minion]

Keep a close eye on those suggesting I gave any hint what so ever about how many other masons are in my group. ;)  I did no such thing.

 

Yep, I noticed that.

 

Will look back on Arsis posts to see if I can glean anything from his posts that may reveal to us who or what he was.

[mnwhiterose]

Okay, I will ask because I am curious. And I have nothing else to contribute.

 

Nae: would you be willing to reveal how many people are in your mason group?

 

Has Arsis even posted once this game?

[Toy and Minion]

Arsis has posted twice.

 

Anyway to change this 12 posts per page thing? lol

 

On topic, I would love to see a clarification about the blue vote. It can't be that it only kills zombies and that any townie chosen would live. That makes no sense. With the unpredictable nature of this game. I am not sure that testing it out would be the prudent choice.

 

Kivam revs the Humvee’s engine and smiles at the bass rumble that echoes through the garage. Pale vaults into the back with the shtogun. JVOR is studying the map with his finger. Suddenly, until it stops.

 

“Here. This is where we’re going today.” His finger is resting on Miami Beach.

 

The first mission begins now and will last for 24 hours.

 

Miami Beach is a zombie-infested area. During the mission, the zombie Cult leader will have a 50/50 chance of recruiting an extra player into the cult.

 

During the mission, the volunteers may post but not vote.

 

You have 48 hours until night falls.

 

 

;D

 

Now, look what we overlooked here.

 

Anyway to change this 12 posts per page thing? lol

 

This was while the discussion about how to catch the zombies in their post-restriction.

 

DPR has stated that the Cult Leader does NOT have a Post Restriction.

 

MOD QUESTION: Is the cult leader classified as human or zombie.

 

The Cult Leader is a zombie, but does not have a Post Restriction.

 

Maybe I'm reading too much into this.  But Arsis did not go on the mission, and could not have been recruited as far as I know.

 

Now, could it be that he was an innocent with a PR?  I don't know.  I thought only zombies would have them.

 

And notice, he did not post 12 times.

 

I could be way off, but something smells.

[Toy and Minion]

Bah!

 

Nevermind.  I misread it.  I thought he said "Anyway to change this 12 posts per day thing?"

 

>.<

 

So...hmm...I'm dry.  Maybe he talked off thread by accident?

[Liathiana]

Well I can't say I'm not entirely surprised. First day votes are almost always an innocent and we didn't come away without information. As for the size of Naeanne's Mason group the only thing I've inferred so far is that there were at least 3, from the way Naeann worded some post a gazillion pages back. Then again I'm not playing at MJ, perhaps thats how he got numbers?

 

Anyways for the missions I'd just like clarification. We're going to vote on who goes on missions, it will always be someone who hasn't gone before yes? Mafia is a game I play for fun and missions sound fun. I'd at least like the chance to go on a mission and possible get a role.

 

It looks to me like Arsis may have been part of the cult, he was happy that "the zombie Cult leader will have a 50/50 chance of recruiting an extra player into the cult." I mean, what information do we have that the Cult Leader is starting off completely alone? I know in my BSG game I started the Cult off with one Leader and one Follower.

[Toy and Minion]

It looks to me like Arsis may have been part of the cult, he was happy that "the zombie Cult leader will have a 50/50 chance of recruiting an extra player into the cult." I mean, what information do we have that the Cult Leader is starting off completely alone? I know in my BSG game I started the Cult off with one Leader and one Follower.

 

Despite me first theory being based on me misreading the quote, I have a suspicion that Arsis was in fact, the Cult Leader.  For one, like you said, Lia, he seemed happy about SOMETHING in DPRs post.  And I don't think it was for JVOR's finger landing on Miami Beach.

 

Plus there's this

 

Inactives are not modkilled. Rule violations, however, will get you dead every time.

 

Arsis had a mix-up and made a mistake - that's as detailed as I can be without compromising the game. It's not entirely his fault, but the mistake made it impossible for me to let him live.

 

There will be no alignmet information given on Arsis.

 

Just a reminder to follow the rules - do not talk about the game with others unless you are specifically allowed to do so!

 

Also, if anyone has any questions/problems/issues - send them to me! I have been work-swamped for the last 24, but I will make sure everything runs correctly!

 

Perhaps the Cult Leader jumped the gun in contacting his soon-to-be-recruit?  Supposition, but I think it fits.

 

It may be too much to hope for, but I'd like to submit the possibility.

[Naeann]

Or perhaps the cult leader is trying to lure us into a false sense of security that the cult leader is dead. ;)

[Naeann]

Yeah Rose.. I don't see that it matters now... there WAS 5 members of my team.  4 now that Pandy is dead.

 

[Kivam]

It looks to me like Arsis may have been part of the cult, he was happy that "the zombie Cult leader will have a 50/50 chance of recruiting an extra player into the cult." I mean, what information do we have that the Cult Leader is starting off completely alone? I know in my BSG game I started the Cult off with one Leader and one Follower.

 

Despite me first theory being based on me misreading the quote, I have a suspicion that Arsis was in fact, the Cult Leader.  For one, like you said, Lia, he seemed happy about SOMETHING in DPRs post.  And I don't think it was for JVOR's finger landing on Miami Beach.

 

Plus there's this

 

Inactives are not modkilled. Rule violations, however, will get you dead every time.

 

Arsis had a mix-up and made a mistake - that's as detailed as I can be without compromising the game. It's not entirely his fault, but the mistake made it impossible for me to let him live.

 

There will be no alignmet information given on Arsis.

 

Just a reminder to follow the rules - do not talk about the game with others unless you are specifically allowed to do so!

 

Also, if anyone has any questions/problems/issues - send them to me! I have been work-swamped for the last 24, but I will make sure everything runs correctly!

 

Perhaps the Cult Leader jumped the gun in contacting his soon-to-be-recruit?  Supposition, but I think it fits.

 

It may be too much to hope for, but I'd like to submit the possibility.

 

Gentlemen, DSage will be my vote tomorrow, most likely.  There is no chance that Arsis was the cult leader.  As a mod, you don't reveal alignment because you are punishing the player by harming his team's chances of winning, but limiting the damage as much as possible.  For instance, if he's mafia, we now can't link him to any other player.

 

But not telling us that the cult leader is dead would completely screw us over, leaving us hunting for the cult leader all game long.  It would make us believe the cult's numbers were rising when they were static.  In other words, modkilling him and hiding that he was the cult leader would punish us.  No fair mod would ever do that.

 

In fact, the only person I can think of who would want anyone to entertain the notion that the cult leader is already dead . . . is the cult leader.

 

Sorry, DSage, but you're now the most likely holder of the most dangerous role in the game.  And that means you need to die.  In fact:

 

[glow=blue,2,300]DSage[/glow]

 

We now have a reason to Blue vote.

[Toy and Minion]

Then I guess I'm not a fair mod, because I would have done it that way.  If I set a rule that modkill reveals no info of the one modkilled, I would stick to it, no matter what.

 

The fact that Kivam is completely dismissing this gives me great pause.  Perhaps the zombie recruit?

 

So go ahead, blue vote me.

[Toy and Minion]

There is no chance that Arsis was the cult leader.

 

No chance?  None?  Not a glimmer?

 

Well, you may be right.  Maybe I have false hope.  But unless DPR says that if the Cult Leader was modkilled that he'd reveal the fact to us, I'm going to hold to to that false hope.

 

 

[Kivam]

Then I guess I'm not a fair mod, because I would have done it that way.  If I set a rule that modkill reveals no info of the one modkilled, I would stick to it, no matter what.

 

The fact that Kivam is completely dismissing this gives me great pause.  Perhaps the zombie recruit?

 

So go ahead, blue vote me.

 

There is no chance that Arsis was the cult leader.

 

No chance?  None?  Not a glimmer?

 

Well, you may be right.  Maybe I have false hope.  But unless DPR says that if the Cult Leader was modkilled that he'd reveal the fact to us, I'm going to hold to to that false hope.

 

None.  It would completely screw the game up to kill off the cult leader without telling us.  Completely.

[Toy and Minion]

I'm glad you're so sure of yourself, because I'm not.

[Toy and Minion]

So convince me, Kivam.  What fits the scenario better than what I've presented?

[Naeann]

What Kivam and I have both said... that you are the cult leader.  You were the one suggesting it had ANYTHING to do with Cult.. which we don't know.  Perhaps Arsis was a cult member and that smiley broke his PR.  Who knows?  The cult leader. ;)

 

There's this other factor... in that I know that as far as the masons go.. only the leader of the mason groups got the pm directly from DPR.. the rest had to wait for their leader to send them the pm.  That being said... you were the first person to post to this game. ;)  Says to me you got a pm directly from Dpr.  I figure mason leaders, mafia, and cult leader all got the pm directly from DPR.  All this talk about masons and my claim to be one you didn't buy.  You were one of the ones blatantly against my claim.  That makes me think mafia or cult.

[Kivam]

So convince me, Kivam.  What fits the scenario better than what I've presented?

 

Pretty much everything.

 

You're going based on a smiley - which could have been anything from "yay, the mission is starting" to "nicely written scene" to "hooray, I'm the cult leader and I get to recruit".

 

I've played with Arsis before; he played possibly the most brilliant first game I've ever seen.  No way he posted the smiley for the recruit - he's too good a player.

 

As for DPR's post, I'm guessing he communicated off-thread with a player he wasn't supposed to.  I doubt it was with a zombie - if it was, DPR would have let him live and simply warned him not to do it again, on the "no harm no foul" principle.  If it was with a potential recruit who ended up as a non-zombie, that potential recruit would be jumping up and down saying "Arsis was the cult leader, I know, because he talked to me too early"

 

Except, of course, that even in that case DPR wouldn't have modkilled Arsis - he'd have just let the non-zombified player out him for the next lynch.

 

Literally nothing about your suggestion makes any logical sense, except as an attempt to get people to assume the cult leader is dead.  And the only one who benefits from that is the cult leader.

[mmeeshal]

While I don't suscribe to any particular theory at the time, I agree with Kivam about the effect on the game. It would really screw things up for us not to know if we're done with the Cult or not.  On the other hand, I believe it's fully possible that DPR would withhold that info, maybe because his hands are tied or maybe for kicks.

[Naeann]

Let me rephrase that.. in case there are other CAPTAINS out there... the captain of the mason team got the pm from DPR.

[mmeeshal]

Dammit, this is why I don't post in mafia games from my phone. >:(  Nae and Kivam have a convincing argument. Just thought I'd say that.

[Smash]

I dont think Arsis' mention of 12 posts per page has any relevance at all to the game or making a mistake that got him Mod killed.

 

The only thing I can think of is he made a mistake and PM'ed someone and that someone turned him in. Was a bit of a surprise to say the least.

 

Im not sure we should assume he was the Cult leader but it seems likely he could have been a Zombie who did not use his PR properly If it was not a PM infraction.

 

 

 

[Toy and Minion]

Perhaps Arsis was a cult member and that smiley broke his PR.

 

Oh yeah, because the Cult Leader had time to recruit Arsis before he posted any of that.  Oh wait, no they didn't.

 

All this talk about masons and my claim to be one you didn't buy.  You were one of the ones blatantly against my claim.

 

Maybe there's a reason for that.

 

And I see nothing to suggest that once the Cult Leader is dead, the zombies can no longer recruit.

 

I'm not saying we should think the zombie threat has been eliminated.

 

You're going based on a smiley

 

Actually, the smiley has very little to do with it.  The talking to players outside of the thread WITHOUT BEING ALLOWED TO DO SO, however, does have a lot to do with my stance.

 

As for DPR's post, I'm guessing

 

So am I.

 

I dont think Arsis' mention of 12 posts per page has any relevance at all to the game or making a mistake that got him Mod killed.

 

Yeah, neither do I.

 

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I would like to reiterate that I have seen nothing to suggest that once the original cult leader is dead, another one won't take its place.

[Thorum]

I'm taking a 36 h LOA. Don't post too much in that period please ;D

 

I'm behind DSage on Arsis.

[LedZepMan]

Kivam is making a very good point DSage. What better way to mask suspicion on the cult than to think that they are eliminated. Would divert suspicion off of you for awhile.

 

But then again, Kivam is a renowned schemer, and this could be a way of convincing a lynch on someone he feels threatened by.