Aiel and age?

[Surreall]

i just reread the part where Rand goes Rhu and gets the two marks on his arms. And comes back, "He who comes back with the dawn"

 

Anyways when he looks through his ancestors eyes, it is clear the true Aiel are blessed with long life. I cannot remember the exact paragraph. But it was when they were singing, near the very beginning

 

Anyways, i cannot remember any indication that they still are blessed with longer life? Or have i got myself exceedingly confused?

 

Regards

 

Surreall

[Majsju]

The oldest visions Rand had was from the AOL, where non-channelers could live up to 200 years. In this Age however, peoples life expectancy have dropped radically.

[The Doctor]

One of his ancestors was 63, just entering the prime of his life.

[Builder]

Son of a bitch that's a lot to live! Where can I sign up to get transported into that world at that Age?

 

In all seriousness though, I think life expectancy dropped because no channelers and almost no non-channelers decided to be nurses and doctors. They were busy looking important, and the non-channelers were busy at their villages.

[mb]

Race has very little to do with how long a Randland person lives.

Non-channelers have relatively short lifespans compared with channelers.

I guess learners lifespans would be somewhere in between those numbers.

 

Though health in general might also be a factor of lifespan.

 

[Cillian]

In all seriousness though, I think life expectancy dropped because no channelers and almost no non-channelers decided to be nurses and doctors. They were busy looking important, and the non-channelers were busy at their villages.

 

Yeah, AOL was a utopia pretty much, people were happy out.

Drastically different living conditions because of the Breaking  would be a factor in shorter life spans I think.

 

Son of a bitch that's a lot to live! Where can I sign up to get transported into that world at that Age?

 

Right over here my good man!

Just sign right here

*points to the end of a very long document*

Just ignore the part about all your worldly possessions #cough# becoming our #cough# property #cough#

 

Let me show you the transporter!

 

Now, I know it may look like a man-hole for a sewer, but I assure you it is actually a Inter-Dimensional Matter Transporter.

 

So, if you'll... just...err... sign, then you can... uh... jump right on in.

[water_seeker]

I was reading that part a couple days ago.

 

If a non-channeler could live that long, how long would a channeler live?  Surely it would dwarf the length of "current" channelers.

[a great fantasy fan]

That's something to think about. A life expectancy that "dwarfs" five of six hundred years of channelers that have not taken oaths can expect...

 

Considering the life expectancy of the AOL non channelers is akin to 63 being still young, at the prime of their life....

 

and 5-600 years the life expectancy for current channelers....

 

Perhaps a number over a millenia should be expected....

 

To live to see an entire millenia come and go... and more!

 

WOW!

 

Merely considering, but WOW!

[Builder]

But then comes the big question!

 

Why the hell would all those DF's in the AoL trade a happy and long life for a stone-age like life with life expectancy being like 20 years! I can only wonder wtf was wrong with these people, because without the DF's, the Light would have crushed the Shadow.

 

Considering the life expectancy of the AOL non channelers is akin to 63 being still young, at the prime of their life....

 

and 5-600 years the life expectancy for current channelers....

 

Perhaps a number over a millenia should be expected....

 

To live to see an entire millenia come and go... and more!

 

WOW!

 

Merely considering, but WOW!

 

And that's why I would love to live during the AoL!  :D

[Mr Ares]

Perhaps a number over a millenia should be expected....

It shouldn't.

[Luckers]

You could have been a bit more forthcoming than that Ares. Having knowledge others do not is fine--until you hold it over them, then its just a bit crass.

 

That's something to think about. A life expectancy that "dwarfs" five of six hundred years of channelers that have not taken oaths can expect...

 

Considering the life expectancy of the AOL non channelers is akin to 63 being still young, at the prime of their life....

 

and 5-600 years the life expectancy for current channelers....

 

Perhaps a number over a millenia should be expected....

 

To live to see an entire millenia come and go... and more!

 

WOW!

 

Merely considering, but WOW!

 

Aes Sedai in the Age of Legends did live longer than current channelers--some even lived well into their 700's.. but none reached 800. Or even came close. It was not a doubling effect. The food source and the medical care helped sustain peoples wellbeing, but that did not slow aging, so much as limit its effects. In both channelers and non-channelers that delayed the decline of Age--which is a distinction from slowing ageing.

[mnwhiterose]

But then comes the big question!

 

Why the hell would all those DF's in the AoL trade a happy and long life for a stone-age like life with life expectancy being like 20 years! I can only wonder wtf was wrong with these people, because without the DF's, the Light would have crushed the Shadow.

 

 

Power - plain and simple. Why else do countries go to war?

[Builder]

But then comes the big question!

 

Why the hell would all those DF's in the AoL trade a happy and long life for a stone-age like life with life expectancy being like 20 years! I can only wonder wtf was wrong with these people, because without the DF's, the Light would have crushed the Shadow.

 

 

Power - plain and simple. Why else do countries go to war?

 

Yes but come on! IRL no country has ever experienced a period where it's citizens live like that! And this was across the world! Everyone was happy, but some idiot psychopaths had to destroy everything. Damn, that makes my blood boil! I better than ever understand why the majority of Randlanders doesn't like the Shadow.

 

Basically, you would have power, and lots of it.... over whom?!! Some ragged and tired people who survived TG! The Shadow even lost so there goes that "promised" power. Man, I cannot believe someone could have and is so damn stupid. The only people who are still alive today and have power and a seeminlgy never ending life are the Forsaken, but what do you have to do to get to become a Forsaken?

 

Exactly. It's almost impossible so why even try. All you're gonna achieve is to be some ass-kisser to some crazy dude/chick who is bound on ruling the world with an iron fist, and ofc releasing the DO who ahas his own agenda as well! Again, those people are dumb idiots!!!

 

Phew, that was really relaxing. Others should try it out. Really nice to blow out some steam, and I don't see any reason for why someone should disagree with me.

[a great fantasy fan]

Aes Sedai in the Age of Legends did live longer than current channelers--some even lived well into their 700's.. but none reached 800. Or even came close. It was not a doubling effect. The food source and the medical care helped sustain peoples wellbeing, but that did not slow aging, so much as limit its effects. In both channelers and non-channelers that delayed the decline of Age--which is a distinction from slowing ageing.

 

I know, i know... but its fantasy. I was merely speculating how long they lived. Fine. Not an entire millenia. But still... around the area of 750 years is a long time to live. Imagine what you would live to see. How many people you would be able to meet. It would be all a human being could ask for. (any decent human being)

[Majsju]

Aes Sedai in the Age of Legends did live longer than current channelers--some even lived well into their 700's.. but none reached 800. Or even came close. It was not a doubling effect. The food source and the medical care helped sustain peoples wellbeing, but that did not slow aging, so much as limit its effects. In both channelers and non-channelers that delayed the decline of Age--which is a distinction from slowing ageing.

 

I know, i know... but its fantasy. I was merely speculating how long they lived. Fine. Not an entire millenia. But still... around the area of 750 years is a long time to live. Imagine what you would live to see. How many people you would be able to meet. It would be all a human being could ask for. (any decent human being)

 

And imagine all the people you would lose. Even in the AOL, a very small percentage of the population were able to channel, and fewer yet strong enough to live beyond 700.

 

As they say, Eternity is a lonely place. (Ok, I do not know anyone actually saying that, I just came up with it.;D)

[mb]

Eternity is a lonely place.

"Immortality" would fit the context of your post than "Eternity"; and might also be more accurate in Wheel of Time context.

In context of Wheel of Time, "Eternity" would be the afterlife; and many have died.

 

[Builder]

But Majsju is correct. It must be lonely to live that long. I would hate it to see everyone in my family that I knew in my natural life die, but then I would be alive to see my grand children, or something like that. I'm not good with the count of grands and greats.

[Mr Ares]

Eternity is a lonely place.

"Immortality" would fit the context of your post than "Eternity"; and might also be more accurate in Wheel of Time context. In context of Wheel of Time, "Eternity" would be the afterlife; and many have died.

Yet you don't pick up on neither eternity nor immortality actually being a place? Eternity is closer, but refers to time, while immortality is a state. So, either eternity is a long and lonely time, or immortality is a lonely state. See, that's a pedantic and literal minded response.

 

But Majsju is correct. It must be lonely to live that long. I would hate it to see everyone in my family that I knew in my natural life die, but then I would be alive to see my grand children, or something like that. I'm not good with the count of grands and greats.

You get used to it. More or less. Anyway, who wouldn't want to stay around to annoy their great-great-great-great-great-grandchildren? "We didn't have these fancy holodecks in my day, we had to make our own entertainment. One christmas I only got an orange, a brick, and some nitroglycerine, and I counted myself lucky. Not least because I used the last of those to rob a bank. Ah, that takes me back..."*cue long winded recollection, possibly made up, in whole or part*

[Surreall]

Going back the Aiel and long life before the breaking

 

I was under the impression it was to do with the Aiel way of life. Singing with ogier etc that gave them long life not the age of legends itself

 

I was under the impression that everyone outside AS and Aiel lived normal length lives

 

And i thought maybe that the reason the Aiel lost their long life is cause they moved away from the way of the leaf. (the original way of the leaf, not what the travelling peoples way of life)

 

Just my 2 cent

 

Rgds

 

Surreall

[Mr Ares]

I was under the impression it was to do with the Aiel way of life. Singing with ogier etc that gave them long life not the age of legends itself

Nothing to indicate that. Evidence points towards extended lifespans for all in AoL, due to better healthcare, and super long lifespans for AS, nothing specific to Aiel.

[balefireruinssteaks]

Channelers probably lived more around 500-600 years.  We note that Messana (or Moghedien) was only 300 years old when trapped in the Bore and she considered herself just in her middle years.  let's say that's half of a person who is a strong channeler's life expectancy - but the way she says it makes me think it was not uncommon for channelers to consider 300 their middle years.  And if 300 was mid, then it stands to reason that channelers could expect to live up to at least 600 years old, while the general population lived to be about 200 years old.

[a great fantasy fan]

I forget where it mentions it, but its Aes Setai now that live to be 200

 

I believe when Messana considered 300 to be her middle years and that she is lucky that she was going to live to 600, I think that she meant that most live to be 400 or some like number.

 

Or it could have meant compared to the current Aes Setai now

 

[Luckers]

Channelers probably lived more around 500-600 years.  We note that Messana (or Moghedien) was only 300 years old when trapped in the Bore and she considered herself just in her middle years.  let's say that's half of a person who is a strong channeler's life expectancy - but the way she says it makes me think it was not uncommon for channelers to consider 300 their middle years.  And if 300 was mid, then it stands to reason that channelers could expect to live up to at least 600 years old, while the general population lived to be about 200 years old.

 

It's stated that some Aes Sedai made it into their seventh century.

 

forget where it mentions it, but its Aes Setai now that live to be 200

 

I believe when Messana considered 300 to be her middle years and that she is lucky that she was going to live to 600, I think that she meant that most live to be 400 or some like number.

 

Or it could have meant compared to the current Aes Setai now

 

Aes Sedai live into their late two hundreds--Cadsuane is around 295. This is a result of their oaths which lessent their lifespan.

 

Most modern channelers (the ones who are relatively strong--say, strong enough to attain the shawl) live into their late five hundreds and early six hundreds. There is even a mention of a Kinswoman in Tear who is more than six hundred years old.

 

In the Age of Legends that was increased by their food and healthcare, and some even made it to the their seven hundreds.

[Obbit]

Hello all, I figured that this has more to do with the fact that in the age of legends saidin and sadar were not just there to be tapped, but also the fact that it more permeated the air or however it was fraised.  I get this from the fact that somewhere it said terangreel that now need to be channeled at to be used, previously would just be activated on opened or what not and could be used by non-channelers. 

 

This would mean even if the previous people didn't have the ability to control the power, they would be surrounded by it and reap the benefits of a longer life.

 

I know I am terrible at spelling, but just my 2 cents. 

[Luckers]

Ter'angreal were accessible to all because of something called 'the standing flows'. Probably tied off weaves that allowed for general use without an Aes Sedai being near to facilitate it, but these would not have affected the lifespans of people, or else we would see this in Tower servants.

 

People's longevity resulted from the high degree of medical attention they had from the Aes Sedai Restorer's, and the high quality of the Sung Food that they ate.

 

It is possible that frequent healings may have some influence too, in the manner you suggest. A sort of artificial slowing--we know that if you heal people alot you develop an afinity towards them which suggests some sort of resonance in the style of feeling the power. It's an interesting idea.