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[DPR]

We had a chance to gain a ton of information on multiple players, and people ignored it.  You saw it, I know you did.

 

We all saw it. It was when there were 5 votes on MN, and you and Peace refused to drop the hammer. This was before she "claimed" finder, so you have no legitimate reason at all to male the argument you just did.

 

1. You are ignoting my post about Peace, hoping that you can get peoples attention off of it. You've used this technique throughout the game.

2. Now that you are jumoing in to defend Peace against me, there is no doubt in my mind that the three of you are workig together. You've all been against me since the beginning, even before there was any reason to be.

3. I would like to make another prediction - ready?

 

After all of this talk about "gambits", I'll bet another nickel that we see one pop up real soon between MN/Verbal/Peace. I am more and more confident that these three are scrambling now, and that would be one of the few ways to make themselves look better.

 

I'm calling that MN will show up at dawn and will have found either Verbal or Peace to be mafia. We'll lynch them, they will be, and then she will float through the rest of the game until the real finder counter claims, or is just dead.

 

You heard it here first!

[Verbal32]

1. You are ignoting my post about Peace, hoping that you can get peoples attention off of it. You've used this technique throughout the game.

2. Now that you are jumoing in to defend Peace against me, there is no doubt in my mind that the three of you are workig together. You've all been against me since the beginning, even before there was any reason to be.

3. I would like to make another prediction - ready?

 

You have ignored many posts by players in this game Wes, so that is a hypocritical statement.  But whatever.

 

I'm defending the logic that peacesells stated, not him.  I, admitedly, have been sightly focused on YOU so far....and you've done nothing....I repeat, NOTHING.....to dissuade me.

 

 

If MN comes out in the morning (assuming both of us are alive) and says I'm mafia, I will be voting for her in an instant, because that will give me the information I'm looking for.  I'm trying to confirm a Finder here people, you should all be doing the same.  I'm not leaving this piece of information alone.  Multiple players ignored the logic of helping confirm a Finder.  Wiggle all you want, WIFOM all you want, and deflect all you want, the point is still the same.  You refused to help the town gain information, and knowingly allowed a random lynch.  When a Finder confirmation is at stake, along with the potential revealing of a mafia, that sort of non-play is the height of folly.

[DPR]

 

It's like compulsive posting or something...

 

Verbal and Peace have both refused to even acknowledge that the "information" that they so despertely crave could have been had before MN claimed finder. They both claim to be as suspicious of her as they are of me. But neither voted for her, and both have gone on and on about me.

 

In short, they are supporting her and trying to get rid of me. The fact that they both shoot down their own arguments by asking everyone to do something that they would not do themselves is telling. As is the fact that they have been after me the whole game, even before MN claimed finder.

 

If anything thatthey said was true, at least one of them (they both posted during the time period) would have voted for MN to get information. Neither of them did, despite both admitting that she was suspicious. They both said this before and afer her claim. To me, this is as onvious as it gets...

 

But if you needed more, here is another outright lie:

 

You have ignored many posts by players in this game Wes, so that is a hypocritical statement.  But whatever.

 

I have ignored nothing. In fact, I am the only who has continuosly offered to answer any question from anybody. Everyone has seen me say it and everyone who has asked a question has reveived an answer. My offer still stands.

 

But the really important part of this post is the last word - whatever - trying to brush off my point, then falsely accuse me with the same point, and then blow it off is a key mafia tactic. You may as well just say "Hey folks, don't listen to him! Look over here at this shiny thing!"

 

Then you try to draw their attention back in to the point you want made with an all caps "NOTHING", and go on with your explanation.

 

I'll give you points for technique - it was a nice job - but you'll have to try harder next time. heh

 

 

 

[peacesells]

 

Verbal and Peace have both refused to even acknowledge that the "information" that they so despertely crave could have been had before MN claimed finder. They both claim to be as suspicious of her as they are of me. But neither voted for her, and both have gone on and on about me.

 

 

Tell me Wes, how is it the same to hammer someone without a finder claim as it is with a finder claim?  I didn't hammer MN because I wasn't convinced she was scum.  Everything changed once the role claim happened.  That's when the information on 2 players became available and not on just one.  Hammering MN only told us something about here.  Hammering you would have given us information on 2 players.

 

There you go..nice and simple.  So, now you can stop deflecting.  The more you do so...the guiltier you look. 

 

BTW Wes, if I wasn't sure that you were a good mafia player...I'd believe that you were just ignorant.  But...that isn't the case here.  And if you aren't ignorant your are definitely looking like scum. 

[DPR]

 

Tell me Wes {/quote]

 

okay...

 

how is it the same to hammer someone without a finder claim as it is with a finder claim?

 

Well, when a large group of players is supicious enough of another player to bring a vote one short of a majority, and you are coming close to a deadline, you may want to consider either voting fo rtht person, or declaring why you don't want to. That's pretty standard.

 

And you do this because, in most cases, you have no idea that a "finder reveal" is about to happen.

 

Note that I said in most cases...

 

Because when your entire argument comes down to

Everything changed once the role claim happened.  That's when the information on 2 players became available and not on just one.  Hammering MN only told us something about here.  Hammering you would have given us information on 2 players.

you make me want to ask...

 

How did you know to wait?

[DPR]

 

Son of &6%4#$^2    &*&%#

 

You really lose a lot of the imapct wnhen you screw up the programing...meh

 

Please read as:

 

Tell me Wes

 

okay...

 

how is it the same to hammer someone without a finder claim as it is with a finder claim?

 

Well, when a large group of players is supicious enough of another player to bring a vote one short of a majority, and you are coming close to a deadline, you may want to consider either voting fo rtht person, or declaring why you don't want to. That's pretty standard.

 

And you do this because, in most cases, you have no idea that a "finder reveal" is about to happen.

 

Note that I said in most cases...

 

Because when your entire argument comes down to

Everything changed once the role claim happened.  That's when the information on 2 players became available and not on just one. Hammering MN only told us something about here.  Hammering you would have given us information on 2 players.

you make me want to ask...

 

How did you know to wait?

 

[DPR]

 

Still not perfect - but you get the picture - if you were so interested in information, MN would have been the obvious lynch before she claimed finder.

 

Now you make it sound even more like the "claim" was planned and you were jsut waiting for it.

 

I think that the three of you are just scrambling now, and reduced to name calling and diversionary tactics. Don't get me wrong, it's pretty much all you've got, but if you are going to rate other players, you may want to try and be a bit more creative yourself. heh

 

 

[CUBAREY]

If MN comes out in the morning (assuming both of us are alive) and says I'm mafia, I will be voting for her in an instant, because that will give me the information I'm looking for. 

 

Of course you will, you will lie and cheat to save one of your cronies but that does not extend to letting yourself be lynched.

[peacesells]

 

Son of &6%4#$^2    &*&%#

 

You really lose a lot of the imapct wnhen you screw up the programing...meh

 

Please read as:

 

Tell me Wes

 

okay...

 

how is it the same to hammer someone without a finder claim as it is with a finder claim?

 

Well, when a large group of players is supicious enough of another player to bring a vote one short of a majority, and you are coming close to a deadline, you may want to consider either voting fo rtht person, or declaring why you don't want to. That's pretty standard.

 

And you do this because, in most cases, you have no idea that a "finder reveal" is about to happen.

 

Note that I said in most cases...

 

Because when your entire argument comes down to

Everything changed once the role claim happened.  That's when the information on 2 players became available and not on just one. Hammering MN only told us something about here.  Hammering you would have given us information on 2 players.

you make me want to ask...

 

How did you know to wait?

 

 

Did I ever say I was waiting?  No..I said I wasn't convinced enough to hammer.  Also, there was plenty of time to hammer her if it was needed at the last second.

 

One more thing, Wes...it is quite common to give someone in L-1 the opportunity to role claim. 

 

Btw..quote the name calling and the diversionary tactics?  I haven't done any.  You deflect to much.  And, you have it all wrong.  I'm not scrambling, you are.  All my posts have been based in logic...very few of yours have. 

 

Proof is in the pudding Wes.  Show where I have been name calling and using wild accusations.  You can't.

[DPR]

 

OMGUS

 

You are ignorant

 

 

 

[DPR]

 

Do those cover it?

[DPR]

 

Look, no big deal - it's just a game - but at least own up to what you do.

 

I'll use lots of tactics, but I won't deny using them. :P

[Leelou]

*clears throat*

 

The fog of your nightmare containing poison and knives has finally ended. You awake to a scene worse than your nightmare.

 

"I see you have been sneaking around trying to bring me back to sanity, well you have failed one too many times," someone masked whispered into Verbal's ear.

 

Before the shock wore off Verbal's face, a knife cut his life short.

 

From the depths of the shadows, Liathiana was shot dead.

 

Verbal, the Director (psychiatrist), is dead.

 

Liathiana, the Writer (psychopath), is dead.

 

It is now Day. With 8 alive it takes 5 for a majority vote. Day will end Monday at 3:30 pm EST.

[peacesells]

 

OMGUS

 

You are ignorant

 

 

Are you calling me ignorant or claiming I called you ignorant?  If the latter..feel free to use the quote function to prove it.

 

I've owned up to using logic.  

[Blig Blog]

Well said Blig and a possibility I've considered and one DPR and Verbal are more than capable of.

 

Thank You.  :) At first I thought that Verbal and MN were innocent but I am more and more beginning to believe that Wes, MN, and Verb are all working together.

 

Blig - seems to be checking in sporadically and making judgements based on the skirmishes. I can't blame him fo it (but it is how lurkers win!) and don't get any scummy feelings from him.

 

I'm checking in as often as I can and...heh...*shrugs*...that's just how I play. I'll be on for quite a while today so...i'll be here to post when needed.  ;)

 

 How was it "planned" when I've been on Wes since the beginning?

 

You were on him since the beginning, Verb? Hmm...later in your post you go on to say that Talya and Kivam fought early on...just as you and Wes have been doing. What I see is that you're playing the gambit with Wes and MN and all the while hoping that DPR will go down leaving you and mnwhiterose under the radar.

 

Also:

 

We had a chance to gain a ton of information on multiple players, and people ignored it.  You saw it, I know you did.

 

Why does everyone keep saying this?! We know this. We've established this.  :-\  Okay I'm reading each post and responding accordingly...I see that you've said this again...like over and over again in another post. Are you a broken record player? O.e

 

And okay...after reading the last five posts or so I'm starting to think that there could be a small chance that Wes is innocent. Either way my major Mafia suspect list still stands: Wes, Verbal, & mnwhiterose.

 

My scumdar has has a new member though:

 

Top Priority: Wes, Verbal, MN

 

Should keep a real close eye on: Peace

 

Anyone else? It's possible that one of the others is mafia but I doubt it.

 

 

[Blig Blog]

*just read the last two posts* Well I didn't expect for Verbal to die in the night...and is that an innocent role? O.e

 

Okay I don't know what to think now...*huddles in a corner* Mommy... :'(

[peacesells]

*just read the last two posts* Well I didn't expect for Verbal to die in the night...and is that an innocent role? O.e

 

Okay I don't know what to think now...*huddles in a corner* Mommy... :'(

 

It would be nice if we could tell if they were innocent or scum roles..or even solo.

[mnwhiterose]

Well, isn't this just peachy.  I had viewed Verbal last night, and my viewing showed he was mafia. However, upon his death, turns out he was the psychiatrist, which, according to the Wiki, is traditionally a townie role.  So, I think we can agree that my viewings are not accurate at this point. Wes, I apologize.  I now have no concrete proof if you are mafia or not.

 

So, lynch me if you want. 

[Liathiana]

Damn.

[Verbal32]

LMAO.  *dies*

[peacesells]

This is from the Mafiascum.net wiki:

 

The Psychiatrist is a type of Doctor that only appears in games with a Psychopath (the Serial Killer version). Every night, the Psychiatrist targets one person. If they target the Psychopath, the Psychopath is cured and becomes a regular Townie. If the Psychopath is cured or dies, then the Psychiatrist becomes an ordinary Doctor.

 

N.B. The name Psychiatrist may also be used for the Lie Detector role.

 

 

Anyone have any theory on why the Psychiatrist and the psycopath die the same night?

 

 

Also...MN, not looking good for you.  Very easy to say you viewed Verbal last night with him dead.  On the other hand Verbal was a logical choice to view.  In that case the Mafia picks Verbal as a target to discredit you.

 

Not sure what to make of your viewing he was mafia.  Either you are paranoid cop (in which case Wes is innocent), have a % chance of getting a correct view (which means Wes could be innocent or mafia) or the psychiatrist in this game set up is actually mafia (which means Wes is mafia.)

 

 

[peacesells]

Thought I'd add the rest of the roles we know so far as listed by the wiki:

 

Reporter

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The Reporter can check a player's house to find out if they are home (anyone doing something during the night is not home).

 

Bulletproof Vest

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A Bulletproof Vest is either an item or an intrinsic protected role that provides immunity to nightkill. The role is extremely powerful if unrestricted, since it can literally create a unkillable confirmed townie that can force a draw upon the scum and does not require any skill to use. Some common ways to make it less powerful include:

 

  * limit the number of uses;

  * immunity to gunshots may not provide immunity to Serial Killers, since they use non-traditional killing methods;

  * remove the immunity in a 1-1 endgame situation, since the townie lacks any way to prevent the Goon from walking up and shooting them "in the head" (the role is entirely passive);

  * give the Mafia a role which can invalidate protection, such as a Strongman;

  * do not count as town for purpose of the Mafia win;

Bulletproof townies may drop intentional Cops or Doc Tells, since it benefits them to try to draw the attack overnight. This creates a WIFOM situation for scum, if they know such a role exists.

 

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Lover

Summary

The classic Siblings roles are a Goon and a Cop who know each other, with the condition that if one dies, the other commits suicide the following night.

 

 

I don't find a listing for treacherous lover..but I assume it's just the counterpart to lover.

 

 

 

 

[Naeann]

Trecherous lover would imply to me.. that one is evil and one is good?

 

The scene said Verbal was out of time to cure Lia so perhaps she killed him?  And the mafia killed her to provide us with no info?  Since she was rather inactive...

 

 

 

[DPR]

Anyone have any theory on why the Psychiatrist and the psycopath die the same night?

 

*These are thoeries*

 

Maybe the psycopath had a nightkill and a solo win condition - it would explain the seemingly random hit on Jeran on night 1 and the hit on Verbal night 2. The storyline makes it sound like Lia targeted Verbal for a kill (and I find it hard to believe that the mafia would hit him - he was either mafia, or he was one of the most suspicious players in the game and on the short list for a lynch. Either way it would benefit them to let him keep going.)

 

My question is, how does Lia fit into this? Was she tied to the Psychiatrist like the lovers were tied together? And if that were the case, then the mob should have killed someone as well.

 

I'm going back to re-read Leelou's post.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[DPR]

 

Okay, it *looks* like Lia killed Verbal. Did anyone read anything different?

 

Then, it *looks* like someone else hit Lia - which would be the mafia hit.

 

Does anyone see these a different way?