Dirty Cops Mafia - GAME OVER!!!

[peacesells]

Here's a nice little sequence of events that adds more to the picture.

 

im not an idiot.  but we should watch out for talya shes scum im sure.  but i have to protect myself. better him than me.

 

[glow=red,2,300]unvote

mcs[/glow]

 

Catina all but says here that she observed Talya last night and found her to be a dirty cop.

 

The very next post Mynd does this.

 

Big surprise here! Catina's vote on Talya was clearly a retaliation vote, but it doesn't mean I don't share her suspicion on Talya being Mafia. Still, I just don't get the lynch on Catina when there are others who would give us more information. 

 

Quick to protect a possible mafia buddy...as he clearly can see what Catina was hinting at?

 

I don't like how Talya is downplaying the role of the healer though.  In one post, she says that the healer's job is only to protect the finder and that makes his role useless in this game; but, as cosmicpanda pointed out, his role is to protect innocents from night kills.  To me, I read that as Talya trying to convince the healer to heal themselves so that the mafia can get a clean kill on someone else.

 

Classic defending Talya yet distancing himself so that he doesn't appear scummy move.  He's done this with MCS and now Tayla.   

 

Could 3 dirty cops be?

Tayla

MCS

Mynd

[Myndrunner]

We have a 99% sure maffia in mcs, and you still don't dare voting him? I finds that strange. Don't worry if the other percent comes true. Everyone will be going for me as mafia, because I openly go up against him.

 

Wrong! By peacesells own admission, there is much more than a 1% doubt that MCS is mafia.  For one thing, I did dare vote him, in fact, I was LEADING the lynch on him.  Only when he claimed to be the healer did I even begin to second guess this; but I never said I was sure he wasn't mafia.  I still think he may be, but for reasons I cannot say, there is a good chance he's telling the truth.  

 

I am not going after you because of you openly going against him, I think that's the point, but what I found most interesting is that you apparently got a mafia read on Liathiana, yet you suddenly switched back to MCS and totally left the whole Lia thing alone.  Why?  What changed?  

 

So, Mynd, ... there are 13 mafia left alive to scramble on against you? Is that what you believe? I would be very surprised if there were 4 or 5, and certainly not more than that.

 

Nope, but based on Barmy being one of them, I am beginning to suspect that there are others lurking in the shadows.  I beat the grass again to startle the snakes, and both you and Peace have reacted.  We have plenty of time to lynch MCS before the deadline, so there is no rush....but since there is some doubt (not just from me) that he might be innocent, I wanted to explore another avenue....and I think I just struck gold!  

 

Also notice Mynd has said very much about everyone, but not what he thinks of his claiming not being a cop (which is in direct conflict with the rules).

 

Actually, I am still waiting to hear back from the Mod on that.  If you recall, I said that I suspected that there may not even be a healer.  Between Talya's downplay on the need for a healer (which is wrong) and your sudden dismissal of what you claimed to found on Lia, I think the two of you are working together.  

 

Like I said, we have plenty of time to lynch MCS, and I will be happy to if it is gonna give us some info on folks....but your reaction here is more defensive than it should be.  

[Myndrunner]

Here's a nice little sequence of events that adds more to the picture.

 

im not an idiot.  but we should watch out for talya shes scum im sure.  but i have to protect myself. better him than me.

 

[glow=red,2,300]unvote

mcs[/glow]

 

Catina all but says here that she observed Talya last night and found her to be a dirty cop.

 

Um....Catina viewed Danya last night.  Do you remember us voting for her finding?

[Toy and Minion]

Just so you can all stop waiting for it:

 

MOD QUESTION: Are there non-cop roles in this game?  

 

No comment.

 

[Myndrunner]

Well, there you go.  No comment is as good as a maybe.  It is possible that MCS is aligned as a Cop, but his role is a Healer, or doctor as he says.  I would say that give us more than a 1% chance that he is telling the truth, wouldn't you agree?

 

I want to know why Talya hasn't voted MCS at this point. 

[MsDanya]

I believe there are non-cop roles in this game (most likely the usual, symp, healer and so on) but I also think everyone has some sort of cop role. What [glow=red,2,300]MCS[/glow]posted about not being a cop at all clearly disagrees with waht Sagey posted at the beginning of the game, and even the whole concept of the game! The point of it is that everyone is a cop, but no one knows what kind of cop they are!

 

Also, to whoever posted that MCS must be the real HEaler since no one has counterclaimed is very wrong. The real healer should never ever reveal, even in the chance of someone claiming that role! Because the Healers job is to heal the Finder or other important roles, and having someone claiming that role is a benefit to the real one when you consider possible Mafiatargets (it usually is mafia that falsly claims healer too) so either a mafia target which protects the real healer or a mafia.. if that made any sense, i'm tired today  :P

 

If MCS turns out to be innocent, i'll be extremely surprised.

 

[Toy and Minion]

Lynching Ballot

 

Mcs (5): Pandy, Dark Justice, Thorum, Catina, Danya

 

Catina (3): Talya, Cubarey, Mcs

 

Thorum (1): Myndrunner

Myndrunner (1): peacesells

 

With 13 alive, it takes 7 votes to Lynch.

 

Day 2 ends Thursday 2 at 3:00 PM (MST)

[peacesells]

Um....Catina viewed Danya last night.  Do you remember us voting for her finding?

 

Just because you are voted to review your findings does not mean you are required to tell the truth. 

 

This could be worth noting given the conflicting statements she has made.

[mcs0083]

I believe there are non-cop roles in this game (most likely the usual, symp, healer and so on) but I also think everyone has some sort of cop role. What [glow=red,2,300]MCS[/glow]posted about not being a cop at all clearly disagrees with what Sagey posted at the beginning of the game, and even the whole concept of the game! The point of it is that everyone is a cop, but no one knows what kind of cop they are!

 

Also, to whoever posted that MCS must be the real Healer since no one has counterclaimed is very wrong. The real healer should never ever reveal, even in the chance of someone claiming that role! Because the Healers job is to heal the Finder or other important roles, and having someone claiming that role is a benefit to the real one when you consider possible Mafia targets (it usually is mafia that falsely claims healer too) so either a mafia target which protects the real healer or a mafia.. if that made any sense, I'm tired today  :P

 

If MCS turns out to be innocent, I'll be extremely surprised.

 

Look, and I'm sure the MOD can back me up on this, there are more then just Good and Dirty Cops. You should go back and look at the alignment key Danya.  My alignment is Innocent but my role is Doctor. Each night, I can protect someone from being killed. My name is Dr. Louis Friend. I don't know what else to tell you. And as far as me being a newbie and not being able to "come up with this", even if I was lying, I am more than capable of thinking up stuff. Just because I'm new to this game doesn't mean I'm a moron.

[peacesells]

MCS...why did you role claim so early?

[Thorum]

Look, and I'm sure the MOD can back me up on this, there are more then just Good and Dirty Cops. You should go back and look at the alignment key Danya.  My alignment is Innocent but my role is Doctor.

 

And according to you not Cop, which is impossible if the rules are correct.

 

And as far as me being a newbie and not being able to "come up with this", even if I was lying, I am more than capable of thinking up stuff. Just because I'm new to this game doesn't mean I'm a moron.

 

That was not what she meant. False-claiming healer / finder is VERY difficult, even for the best and most experienced of players. If you succeed as a newbie, you should get a medal for it. Let's hope you do not.

[Dark Justice]

If we are to belive Dsages opening post, MCS is lying again. My vote stands on him. It is a risky move, If Dsage infact did not tell the truth about this, but it will give us a LOT of info. Mynd could probably write a book about what we can read from it...

[Thorum]

If we are to belive Dsages opening post, MCS is lying again. My vote stands on him. It is a risky move, If Dsage infact did not tell the truth about this, but it will give us a LOT of info. Mynd could probably write a book about what we can read from it...

 

Where is this new lie? I don't see a discrepancy with dsage's first post.

[CatinaSedai]

i dont know what to think anymore.  i only trust danya because of my finding.  the rest of you could all be scum imo.  we are getting nowhere with all this messing around.  i find both mynd and peace not voting mcs at this point as fishy.  are they faking to get people off mcs?  if mcs is the healer like he says do we need him?

 

mynd is pointing fingers as usual but peacesells has weak reasons for going after him.  we should stay the course with mcs but i also want to know why thorum backed off of lithiana. 

[Myndrunner]

Danya makes a very valid point.  If MCS is bluffing, then the real healer should not counter claim.  Maybe he is, maybe he isn't, but I do want to point out that DSage did not necessarily deny that there are Healer roles in this game. 

 

My thoughts: I think Talya, Thorum, and MCS are together and this was some technique to draw out the real healer in the open, if there is one.  Notice how only Thorum voted for MCS, and he has flipped his vote back and fourth.  My only regret is that I think I pushed on him too early.  I should have waited for him to unvote MCS for some strange reason at the last minute. 

 

[glow=red,2,300]unvote[/glow]  [glow=red,2,300]MCS[/glow]

 

Let's get this over with....but let's also see how Thorum reacts.  Does he keep his vote on MCS?  Is Talya willing to join in?  What about PeaceShells? I find it interesting to see who ISN'T voting MCS at this point.  Cube? What about you?

 

AND thanks Catina, I am still waiting on Thorum's response why he is no longer persuing Liathiana, who he seems to have read as MAFIA!!!  What's the story here, Thorum?

[cosmicpanda]

Danya makes a very valid point.  If MCS is bluffing, then the real healer should not counter claim.

 

Hey, give me some credit here  :(

[Thorum]

Let's get this over with....but let's also see how Thorum reacts.

Thanks. I'm curious what you'll make of that :D Please make it less than 7 lines.

 

I find it interesting to see who ISN'T voting MCS at this point.

Me too. Though at least one of the earlier votes is probably maffia. That would be Catina, DJ, or cosmicpanda. Do I still have to add an unless?

 

AND thanks Catina, I am still waiting on Thorum's response why he is no longer persuing Liathiana, who he seems to have read as MAFIA!!!  What's the story here, Thorum?

I never said I read Liath as mafia. You said that. I'm gonna repeat for the third and last time that it was a very subjective feeling that I had. And I wanted to take my vote off mcs (who had just - acc. to my post count - declared doctor) without questions being asked by anyone else to try to find out if he was speaking the truth.

[Thorum]

Before you start questioning that as well: I didn't remember if my vote was on mcs or on cuba. It only had to be changed from them.

[Jeran]

Didn't Liath vote for me D? Or did you take that down for a reason? And anyone who voted for her because she was inactive, she isn't now.

 

I'm still suspicious from mcs's post from way back implying that Liathiana shouldn't have "inactive" votes.  Further events haven't helped the suspicion but these have been well (endlessly?) documented already.

 

As others have pointed out hopefully an mcs lynch will at least garner lots of information as it would be a shame to lynch the Doctor.  I wonder, though, if he is innocent and a Doctor won't he be healing himself every night from now on to avoid being killed by the dirty cops?  If so, that wouldn't help anyone else.

 

[glow=red,2,300]Vote: mcs[/glow]

[MsDanya]

And as far as me being a newbie and not being able to "come up with this", even if I was lying, I am more than capable of thinking up stuff. Just because I'm new to this game doesn't mean I'm a moron.

 

That was not what she meant. False-claiming healer / finder is VERY difficult, even for the best and most experienced of players. If you succeed as a newbie, you should get a medal for it. Let's hope you do not.

 

Yes, what Talya said. Sorry if it came out wrong. False claiming ANY role is very risky buisness, because you never know how it'll turn out. It can go both ways of course. I Remember the very first game I played I was the finder or something, and Sirayn false claimed right at the end of the game. So Icounterclaimed, and everyone lynched me because they thought I was lying  :-\ My point here is, if you wanna try and claim a role, no matter if thats your role or not, you need to really really back it up with much evidence/BS sounding plausible. Your claim didnt cut it for me  :P

 

Jeran also has a good point there.

[Toy and Minion]

Lynching Ballot

 

Mcs (7): Pandy, Dark Justice, Thorum, Catina, Danya, Myndrunner, Jeran

 

Catina (3): Talya, Cubarey, Mcs

 

Myndrunner (1): peacesells

 

No more votes for Mcs will be accepted at this time.

 

With 13 alive, it takes 7 votes to Lynch.

 

Day 2 ends Thursday 2 at 3:00 PM (MST)

[cosmicpanda]

What, so now we just wait?

[peacesells]

I thought the day ended when there were enough votes for a lynch.

[Dark Justice]

Thorum: Dsage stated there were only finders in the game. This does not mean there is no healers, just that most likely there would be a double role. healer/finder. most likely though. he stated he was only "doctor", and not a finder....

[Dark Justice]

oh. sorry Thorum.. Its not in the opening post.-.. Cant remember where I read it.. Someone else also commented on it...