Can Aginor Be resurrected again?

[Ziggdiezan]

At the end of winters heart when Eza (think thats her) kill Aginor (Osan'gar) with fire not balefire. Can he be resurrected for a second time? just wondering

[Swigaro]

By what I understand of the way the DO recycles folk, yes he could be.  The more important question is would the DO do so?  I would think not.  He had his second chance.

[Sab]

Second chances are rare, third chances impossible. Maybe Ishy might be the only one who might get a third chance.

[Builder]

So Elza kills Osan'Gar, but Aran'Gar is still alive, right?

[Tyrell]

Aran'Gar flees the SaS camp near the end of KoD IIRC.

[Luckers]

Yeah she did, with Delana.

 

Osan'gar probably won't be coming back whether or not the Dark One is willing to try--given that every other recycling took a few months, there probably is not time enough before Tarmon Gai'don.

[mb]

Aginor/Osangar could be resurrected since the method of killing was not balefire, yet it is unlikely that the Dark One would give him another chance.  The scene of his and Balthamel's/Arangar's resurrection seems to imply that they would not get any more chances if they fail; that seems to include getting killed.

 

I am somewhat curious on whether Elza would get punished or rewarded for killing him; and whether she found out if he was actually a Forsaken.

 

[MikeRiley]

I don't think she'll ever find out and who would reward her? She isn't stable enough in a fight (I recall her being pretty nervous/scared there) to warrant a promotion and nobody is going to praise her for the killing of a darkfriend when actual forsaken are counted among the dead after the battle.

[Samudor]

To be honest, even if anyone on her side realizes it was her, why would they punish her? The view of the Forsaken would be that Aginor was an idiot for allowing himself to be killed by a primitive. Regardless, I agree that Shai'tan will not give Aginor another chance. Would you?

[GUTB]

Well, without Aginor, the DO's armies would literally consist of a gaggle of darkfriends under the Forsaken. The DO is pretty damn useless as an overlord; he sits around, punishing his minions while the do alomost everything, setting them against each other, and so on. He fixes the seasons in place, which is his greatest personal achievement. He could at least ressurrect his strongest and most useful minions, but he seems to be extremly reluctant to do so, and when he does he treats it like it's the greatest damn boon in the universes, and acts like an even bigger dick towards them as before.

 

 

[Shard]

So the whole bubbles of evil, ghosts, towns melting into nothing, bugs vomiting from people, the weather instability, the food rotting, and not to mention the taint on Saidin were all useless moves of the DO's?

 

I sincerely hope Aginor stays dead he may have been a good scientist but he sucks as a Channeler/fighter. Two times he's had his chance at the Dragon and he failed BOTH times with death. No he's staying dead. I think at this point he is no longer needed despite building an army of Trollocs and Fades.

[Swigaro]

I would tend to agree with Shard.  As far as Aginor goes it would be a "what have you done for me lately."  Yes, he was responsible for the creation of Shadowspawn, but DO has proven, I think, to be an entity who is much more apt to punnish failures than to reward successes. 

 

 

[General Cauthon]

 The scene of his and Balthamel's/Arangar's resurrection seems to imply that they would not get any more chances if they fail; that seems to include getting killed.

 

Remember that the first time they were killed, they were killed by a Nym and a young boy, who didn't even know he could channel. Plenty of reason for the DO to be mad at them. At the Cleansing Osan'gar was following orders, coming closer than any of the other Chosen. Why should the DO punish him for that? Ishamael was killed by Callandor, and he was made Nae'blis when resurrected. I doubt the DO will refuse to repair one of his best weapons because it was destroyed by one of the most powerful sa'angreal of all time. After all, he could just make sure to mindtrap him, and hand him over to Moridin.

 

But I don't think there's time left before the Last Battle, so I don't expect him to come around again.

[Sab]

Well to be fair don't think it was Rand who actually killed him, I thought it was Aginor drew way too much of the power and incenerated himself.  Sure Ag was useful, but the DO favors strength and cunning over just usefulness.    You served well but got yourself killed, well sucks to be you seems to be his philosphy.  In the AOL a 2nd chance would of been unheard of, they got another chance becuase the DO has alot less choosen to work with in this age.  As someone already said its "What have you done for me lately".

[mb]

I don't think she'll ever find out and who would reward her? She isn't stable enough in a fight (I recall her being pretty nervous/scared there) to warrant a promotion and nobody is going to praise her for the killing of a darkfriend when actual forsaken are counted among the dead after the battle.

On the Dark side, the Dark One might know and pass the knowledge to Moridin.  Dark side treatment might likely come from Moridin.

Light side treatment might come from the person who finds out.

 

Well, without Aginor, the DO's armies would literally consist of a gaggle of darkfriends under the Forsaken.

There seems not much need for the Shadowspawn to be remade, and Osangar did not do much to help the Dark side and did not seem to accomplish his task (whatever it was).

 

 The scene of his and Balthamel's/Arangar's resurrection seems to imply that they would not get any more chances if they fail; that seems to include getting killed.

Remember that the first time they were killed, they were killed by a Nym and a young boy, who didn't even know he could channel. Plenty of reason for the DO to be mad at them. At the Cleansing Osan'gar was following orders, coming closer than any of the other Chosen. Why should the DO punish him for that? Ishamael was killed by Callandor, and he was made Nae'blis when resurrected. I doubt the DO will refuse to repair one of his best weapons because it was destroyed by one of the most powerful sa'angreal of all time. After all, he could just make sure to mindtrap him, and hand him over to Moridin.

But I don't think there's time left before the Last Battle, so I don't expect him to come around again.

Like another poster told, Aginor's death was from overdrawing on the One Power.

The title Nae'blis was bestowed some time after Ishamael's resurrection, not at the moment.

No time left? Resurrecting the dead seems to take not much time.

 

[Mr Ares]

Well, without Aginor, the DO's armies would literally consist of a gaggle of darkfriends under the Forsaken.

Given that a mere handful of channelers annihilated an army of 100,000 Trollocs, that "gaggle of Darkfriends" will likely be a hugely important part of the Shadow's hopes for victory.

 

No time left? Resurrecting the dead seems to take not much time.

Given that every resurrectee has first appeared several months after their death, and given the very real possibility that there might not be that much time left, it is not unreasonable to think there is not enough time to bring him back.

[Sab]

Finding the right body takes awhile, probably go quicker if the DO just stuffed the soul in whatever body was handy.

[Shard]

Also not every Forsaken has been even given a second Chance, Sammeal killed by Mashadar has not been recycled. Where as Ishy, Lanfear, Aginor and Balthamel have been given second chances. Aginor has run out of chances and is now taking a permanent dirt nap.

[Arani Lepenque Aes Sedai]

The Dark One CAN resurrect Aginor because he was not balefired and thus his thread was not burned back out of time.

 

Whether the DO WANTS to is another matter altogether.