regardind Callandor

[Dmitri]

I'd searched Forum to find an answer, but couldn't. My memory of books also makes little help - so I want to ask the masses  ;)

 

Who made the weaves that were protecting Callandor before Rand took it?

 

Do we have any ideas how they worked (e.g. why Rahvin wasn't able to take it himself, but Rand was)?

 

Again sorry if it was discussed here previously. A link, then, please?  :)

[ROB_88]

i have been thinking about myself and i see two possibilites on the weave.

 

1. it is some sort of soul-recogniser that sees LTT soul in Rands body

 

2. it is some sort of sensor that sees what is happening, like Aiel invasion, man with Power not being a Forsaken and it made the suumption that it had to be the Dragon.

 

the first seems more plausible

[Igrift]

You know, I was just thinking about this a few weeks ago as I started re reading book 3.

  What I was thinking is that the Old school Aes Sedai, (the one during and near after the breaking) were still pretty knowledgeable.  I assumed that since the prophecies would have been known to them they put the sword where it would be most protected.  That's the "who"

IMO.

How the weaves work? 

1. it is some sort of soul-recogniser that sees LTT soul in Rands body  That's a pretty interesting theory, I like it.

 

But unless it hasn't been answered before by RJ or in the books, its one of those things we'll just have to logically deduce.

 

[Yllek]

I don't know WHO put it there, but the weave was done with both Sadin and Sadir.  In TSR, Egwene probes the weave and thinks about there being parts of the weave that she couldn't see.

[Tyrell]

I'm fairly certain it was made by AoL Aes Sedai, similar to the group who made The Eye. Not sure where I'm getting that feeling from though.

[mindtoast]

the rhuidean ter'angreal flashbacks shows a meeting with solinda sedai, her friends and they were talking about some young male aes sedai that 'inexperienced' but not showing signs of the taint yet, just into the breaking. they had callandor and the dragon banner. so they probably made the Stone, put callandor in it, and they blew themselves up making the eye of the world free of the taint. thats a hard days work.

 

no idea how the weave would work. the weird thing is, the weave in the stone wasn't inverted so surely the forsaken could have figured it out and broken it.

[Gympok]

I think you could ward for a person.  I mean it would probly take a lot of the one power.  But moiraine eludes to being able to ward from specific things in EotW.  She wards from shadowspawn, rats, and the taint in Shadar Logoth.

[mb]

Warding for a specific person (or perhaps a specific soul) to me is the best explanation.

In Fires of Heaven, Moiraine does it with her letter to Rand.

 

[Charlz Fel]

Rand's weaves protecting Callandor during TSR were not inverted either, at first.  We hear of one male Forsaken who visited, saw the traps, and decided that they probably could not be unwoven except by the person who wove them.  We also know he was wrong, since Narishma succeeded (with Rand's instructions); possibly Rand's weaves were set up with some equivalent of a "password", such that giving the wrong "password" was fatal.  The original weaves protecting Callandor were not traps, and probably did not work the same way, but we do know it is possible to set up a non-inverted weave that cannot be unwoven easily.  Still, it is curious that the original channelers would have left open the possibility that someone, in the course of millennia, might figure out how to undo the weave.  Maybe RJ wrote TDR before he came up with the notion of inverted weaves.

[Thor]

the weave must have been smooth like an untied shield.  But given that an untied shield requires a channeler to actively maintain, it must have been some tremendous power indeed that held the shield (as egwene mentioned).  Or perhaps there was some other trick to it.

 

And yeah soul sensor seems more logical.

[FallingBullets]

Still, it is curious that the original channelers would have left open the possibility that someone, in the course of millennia, might figure out how to undo the weave

The hatred of the Tear High Lords for Power users may have

[balefireruinssteaks]

I always thought it was a ward attuned to Lews Therin, and since Rand is Lews Therin reborn the ward would accept him taking Calandor. 

 

The explanation is pretty much what everyone else said - Moiraine was able to attune wards to certain people (her letter to Rand, her letter to Thom, the coins she gave the boys in the Eye of the World) so it stands to reason the Aes Sedai in the Age of Legends could probably do the same thing as they understood wards.

[Alderthal]

Well, I'd think a shield would've worked just fine. Especially some super advanced shield that'd only allow the dragon reborn to pass it. Can you break the ward? Prolly the Forsaken could've, if they wanted to help each other. I mean, this is the second most powerful sangreal in the world, what kind of female forsaken IDIOT would invite getting herself backstabbed to assist a male forsaken in getting Callandor by helping them break through the warding?

[ErikTheBald]

When they created the weave, they probably used Callandor to create the weave, then tied it off to Callandor itself, thereby creating a warding of immense power (since it was used by a circle of men and women) with no "knots" like those found in a tied-off shield, that could possibly be untied by someone who hadn't actually passed through it.  The knots were tuned to the LTT soul so Rand, passing through the warding and touching Callandor, released the warding.

 

Rand's trap was a little different.  His trap was designed to trap anyone tampering with it, then reset itself to trap whomever came along next.  This is mentioned by Graendal.