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I was wondering on how large Randland is, and how large the entire planet is, in kilometers. How heavy is cuendillar anyways, and what is the population of Tear?

 

These are just some questions that popped in my head. How do we know how long it is from Cairhien to Tar Valon, or from Tar Valon to Caemlyn?

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Most of the books have a map of Randland near the front.  An approximation might be figgured out with a ruler; though none of the maps (in the books I read) have a distance scale in the key.

Measurements could not be given in kilometers since this series uses a different measurement system than any of our real life ones.

I am not certain, but distances (in Randland measurements) might be given in the guide.

 

Cuendillar the wotmania site told came from metal; it told that it would be lighter than the metal it came from but still heavy.  So far as I am aware, there is not a place that tells of its weight.  The guide might tell if anything tells.

 

Populations I think might be in the guide.

 

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From The Big White Book pg.145

 

mile: A measure of distance equal to one thousand spans. Four miles make one league

 

hide: A unit of area for measuring land, equal to 100 paces by 100 paces.

 

span: A measure of distance equal to two paces. A thousand spans make a mile.

 

units of weight:

10 ounces = 1 pound

10 pounds = 1 stone

10 stone = 1 hundredweight

10 hundredweight = 1 ton

 

I'm 6 feet tall. A long pace for me is 3ft. (I measured it for playing golf) almost exactly. A normal pace about 2.5 feet(x2 that'd be 5). A mile therefore would be about 5,000 feet. Just under a standard mile. A WoT league would be roughly 3.8 miles then.

 

On page 146 there is a map of the WoT World with a mileage scale. The Aryth ocean is about 9000 miles wide. "Randland" itself about 3000 miles wide (Toman Head to Dragon Wall) and 2500 north/south. The "Waste" about 1500 miles wide. Shara is about the same 3000 miles wide but 6000 north/south... Seanchan is huge in comparison. Roughly 4000 at its widest but near 9000 north/south.

 

I'm not too sure about that map and its scale though. I seem to recall there are several mentions of being "a thousand leagues" from here or there in Randland but that would be near 4000 miles! Unless I'm recalling the distance references wrong.

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I was wondering how large the entire planet is, in kilometers.
Given that it is supposed to be our world, it should be about the same size.

 

Thats what I've thought too. The map I looked at had some of the ocean between Shara and Seanchan missing but what WAS there looked to be about 24k miles along its equator or roughly 38,000 km.. Add some for the left out hunk of ocean and it'd be about earths circumference.

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As for Rands height, from all the references I have seen in the books I would put him at about 6 feet 6 inches tall. Average height for a Aiel male. Given that I would put the average height of men from the rest of randland (not including Cairhien) at around 5 feet 5 inches. The people from Cairhien I would put at 4 feet 5 inches to just barely 5 feet tall as a average. Given the state of advancement in randland this would match mid evil times in Europe as far as height averages or near enough.

 

 

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Randland is not a medieval society. Placing them in European history, we would get 17th century, possibly early 18th now with discoveries like the steam engine. (As a sidenote, there is no evident link between advancement and height)

 

I would place Rand at around 2 meter, which would be roughly the average of Aiel in general. For the Two Rivers, given the lack of reactions to Rands height, I would guess that the average height is around 1.75-1.80. Much shorter than that, and Rand would be towering in a way the book does not support.

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(As a sidenote, there is no evident link between advancement and height)

 

But there is a direct link between proper nutrition and height and a link between proper nutrition and technological advancement.

 

Soldiers in WW1 rarely topped 5 foot, due to poor nutrition, which by todays standards is short.

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Aha, ok.

 

I was wondering how big the population of the entire world is. I mean only humans, not trollocs or something. If the AoL was the first age, and the first age was like our age in the real world, then there should have been about 6 billion people crammed in cities in the then world?

 

How many trollocs comapred to that, in the AoL, and how many people are there now, and how many trollocs comapred to the nubmers from the AoL?

 

I know I ask some tough questions, but this has grind my gears for so long.

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Yes, I know that not much is known of the First Age. One thing that I do know is that there were no trollocs in the First Age and that the Great Blight was an island covered with ice and snow, similar to Antarctica. It moved southwards because of continental something something. It connected with what was the land previous to Randland and the Aiel Waste plus Shara. We know that that landmass did not look like that in the First Age, and in the AoL. After it had connected, and the AoL drawed to it's end, one certain woman opened the Dark One's prison and unleashed all the famine and destruction that is today.

 

So, how many trollocs were there in the AoL and onwards to today? Yes, I am asking for a complete graph of all the trollocs and humans that were alive from the end of the AoL to the present day.

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The "thinness in the pattern" is where the drilling was done. The hole drilled has been known ever since as "The Bore". The Hundred Companions went to Shayol Ghul to seal The Bore. The Bore would therefore be at Shayol Ghul, would it not? Would they have gone to SG to seal the Bore "remotely"?

 

The city of V'saine, where the Collam Daan and The Sharom (the floating research center) both were destroyed by the backlash resulting from the opening of The Bore, was also destroyed if I read correctly. So V'saine should be where Shayol Ghul is now... or not... Some of what I'm looking at in the BWB is a little vague. But I don't see anything that says The Bore is not at Shayol Ghul.

 

The male Aes Sedai and their crazed One Power usage ("The Breaking") broke geological rules as well as the earth and oceans. All tectonic forces were sped up causing enormous changes in topography in a generation rather than thousands of years.

 

There has been no set number of The Dark One's monstrous constructs.. Trollocs were the most numerous and still evidently able to be produced if somewhat more slowly. Least thats the way I read it.

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Ugh, there was a city above Shayol Ghul? Man, poor people who lived there!

 

I still want the DO dead for some reason. I can't believe that the entire universe would get destroyed just because some spirit got killed on a planet.

 

I also question the theroy that the DO is everywhere. If he is everywhere then why do the forsaken have to travel to SG to speak with him? If Rand locks up the DO he won't be able to influence the world, but why not just make the forsaken drill another hole in the ground and the DO is whoop-ti-doo back in the world again?

 

Why can't the DO be killed by conventional means? If enough energy was directed towards the mountain Shayol Ghul, it would kill the energy creature. What happens if energy get into contact with energy?

 

It sucks balls that nobosy can do anything about the DO, and they have to get pwned and pwned again for ever because they fear they will destroy the entire universe. This is the Ultimate question then:

 

Why not kill the DO and save countless lives for all eternity from being spared a gruesome death and a horrible life?

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One of the great philosophical debates... How can there be (or IS there) good without evil, light without dark.

 

The Creator imprisoned The DO at the moment of creation. Didn't destroy, but imprisoned The DO outside The Pattern. The Creator, The Wheel (Time itself), The One Power and The DO are the only things that exist outside The Pattern. I don't think Rand (as The Dragon of the 3rd Age) could destroy The DO.

 

There seem to be two alternatives one of which evidently (despite Ishamaels' apparent lies) has never, ever happened. Either the DO escapes entirely his imprisonment and destroys the Wheel of Time and remakes it to his own vision or he is always defeated and stays imprisoned to one degree or another. Destroying the DO would seem to me not to be possible or else The Creator would have done so. Balance is apparently the key IMO.

 

Ugh, there was a city above Shayol Ghul? Man, poor people who lived there!
.... For Real! I don't know that there WAS a city. It just seems to have been one there from what I'm reading. With V'saine being a great center of knowledge and with our own legends, tales and some religions (all of which RJ drew upon) sometimes relating the maxim that too much knowledge is not a good thing, if not actually evil; then V'saine being destroyed that way would be sort of ironic wouldn't it? Possibly even a designed plan of The DO with there being the thinness in The Pattern there. ;)
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I dunno about science. I think humanity is better off knowing than not knowing. It's just about the mentality and the mental state that is important.

 

Maybe the Creator imprisoned teh DO because he as to. The balance has to be there, or else... the universe collapses. Son of a bitch!

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The "thinness in the pattern" is where the drilling was done. The hole drilled has been known ever since as "The Bore". The Hundred Companions went to Shayol Ghul to seal The Bore. The Bore would therefore be at Shayol Ghul, would it not?

 

No, if memory serves RJ said the Bore is "everywhere", Shayol Ghul is just the place in this world where there is a "thinness in the pattern" that allows one to sense the Bore. (I hope I got that right)

 

 

Ugh, there was a city above Shayol Ghul? Man, poor people who lived there!

 

Pre-Bore, so it wouldn't have been anything like it is now.

 

I still want the DO dead for some reason. I can't believe that the entire universe would get destroyed just because some spirit got killed on a planet.

 

The Dark One isn't imprisoned in the mountain/area of Shayol Ghul, he/she/it is outside of this physical world. Shayol Ghul is just where the "thinness"/Bore is.

 

I also question the theroy that the DO is everywhere. If he is everywhere then why do the forsaken have to travel to SG to speak with him? If Rand locks up the DO he won't be able to influence the world, but why not just make the forsaken drill another hole in the ground and the DO is whoop-ti-doo back in the world again?

 

Who said the DO was everywhere?

The forsaken have to go to SG for reasons I stated above.

 

Why can't the DO be killed by conventional means? If enough energy was directed towards the mountain Shayol Ghul, it would kill the energy creature. What happens if energy get into contact with energy?

 

Because the DO isn't a conventional being, and, once again, isn't trapped in the mountain.

 

It sucks balls that nobosy can do anything about the DO, and they have to get pwned and pwned again for ever because they fear they will destroy the entire universe. This is the Ultimate question then:

 

Why not kill the DO and save countless lives for all eternity from being spared a gruesome death and a horrible life?

 

Well that's where the story is headed isn't it? Though I don't think the Dark One can or will be killed by the puny humans. I think the Bore will be properly sealed totally excluding Mervin (the Dark One's real name. He's really insecure about his real name that's why he went all "Lord of Darkness" y'know, overcompensation) once again.

Hopefully DO won't have any followers powerful enough to make another Bore.

 

How much is a foot?!

 

Depends on the size, but usually you can get them for like 50 quid. I know a guy who knows a another guy who'd cut you a good deal for like 30 ;)

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Looking at the description of Shayol Ghul, In the Age of Legends, Shayol Ghul was an idyllic island in a cool sea, a favorite of those who enjoyed the rustic., it is extremely unlikely that one of the worlds greatest cities would have been located there.

 

Which does not mean that there were not a city located there, but definitely not V'saine.

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