Predictions for "The End"

[fader6818]

I guess this is it...

 

The place where we finally make a judgement call and say how we think it will all end.

 

Well, let me post the first "loony" theory of Dragonmount 7.0...

 

I think this turning of the wheel is special, or at least, what we've grown to believe is wrong. I think in this turning, the Creator takes a direct hand in keeping the world alive.

 

Now, pulling from the return of Jafar, Iago says several times 'You'd be surprised what you can live through".

 

The world will not be right after the last battle. Humanity will be dying, struggling to hold on to that one tuft of grass. But humanity will survive, and continue to push onward.

 

Will Rand win the Last Battle? Probably, but after the Dark One is done, Rand might not think there was much to save.

[Guest Allisa]

*sigh* I have not read Knife of Dreams yet (oh so bad of me but Steve sucked me into a Song of Fire and Ice so I'm blaming him ;P)

 

I totally agree the turning of the Wheel hold special significance but wonder if the Creator will take any special interest in those turns - and as it turns (so do the days of our lives) everything will be "reset"

 

hence - Rand will "defeat" the DO only the DO will again be set free - in another age. The Dragon will be reborne again (in another age) - just as the Heroes of the Horn are spun back into the Pattern regularly so too are the forces of Good and Evil. Its a never ending cycle that will repeat to infinity.

 

Oh and Elayne is a gimp ;)

[Muirenn]

I'm sticking to my guns that the very end of the book will be something along the lines of: "From a fragmentary manuscript written by Loial son of Arent son of Halan at the end of the Third Age."

[Kaylan]

I honestly can't see how this will be the end, unless he suddenly starts going back to covering months in one book like he was earlier in the series. Meh, whatever, I'll read it, but I'll still resent paying $30 for it, especially if I get a whiff of over enthusiasm for someone's buttons.

[Wayfarer]

I think it'll end with a choice. Rand will have the choice of either freeing or imprisoning the Great Lord, which I think was behind the game with the Fisher King in the earlier books, and why each side in particular wishes to control Rand rather than kill him outright to remove him from the field.

 

I also think that Rand might even show a glimmer of intelligence and free the Great Lord. Or, failing that, at least balefire Perrin because he's a even worse than Rand. Ah, if only Padan Fain could still win *sighs*

[Guest IluvatarND]

I'll venture my guess (I suppose based mainly on the prophecies).

 

Rand will call together all the lands and fight at Shayol Ghul. I haven't yet decided if the "his blood on the rocks" part of the prophecy is literal, or perhaps figurative in that the Aiel could almost be thought of as being of his "blood". He will destroy the remaining seals [they prevent any flawless repair to the Bore] and, through a huge circle of Asha'man and Aes Sedai [who he picked up along the way to SG], repair the Bore. Perhaps the Aiel [plus the many, many armies gathered with him] will be sort of defenders/sacrifices to give the circle time to complete their work...

 

Of course, once Tarmon Gaidon is done and all think Rand dead ("to live you must die"), the world will be in battle again, since the political structure has basically disintegrated by this point in the books [look at Seanchan!]. You'll still have some of the regular factions [WT, BT (of which Logain will take command)] but up will spring new lands with most of the old lands overthrown (the new Breaking). The "Remnant of a Remnant" he saves could be the remaining Shaido who returned to the Aiel Waste at the end of KoD.

 

I'm with James that, at the end, he will have a choice. Either fight, "die" and seal the bore, or free the DO. He is, after all, the "chosen one". He will chose to die (probably with one more mention of "Sheathing the Sword"), but will only have the appearance of dying. I still have hope that THE VOICE IN ALL CAPS (the Creator?) from TEOTW returns at the end to truly complete the seal (heck, if the Creator, he sealed away the DO in the first place).

[paetric]

After the waste of paper his last two books were, I have no hope what so ever that the series will end remotely as well written as the beginning books of the series.

The sad thing is that I will buy it and read it.

[Leafburner]

After the waste of paper his last two books were' date=' I have no hope what so ever that the series will end remotely as well written as the beginning books of the series.

The sad thing is that I will buy it and read it.[/quote']

 

No, I think the sad thing is that someone who thinks the way you do is taking the time to post on a WOT website. :roll:

[Guest Egwene]

it really cracks me up.....like some of the reviews on amazon.....

 

there are people who have read the entire series three times over and say that it isn't good.....lol

 

If I don't like a type of food, I don't than go and say 'oh, could I have three more helpings please'.....and talk about it all the time.....

 

....but maybe there are more masochists about than I thought.... :lol:

[Guest Admiral]

Well, here is my theory. Rand will end up killing the dark lord with some help from rogue myrdraal who no longer want to serve the dark lord after he spurns them in favor of trollocs. Rand after killing the dark lord, will have a meeting with the creator, who will grant him immortality and a place as the ruler of The world. Rand though will decline and rather go back to the two rivers and become a farmer.

[paetric]

Oh come on my lil Lemmings.

 

Let me ask you this Leafburner.

How many books are there in the series?

Eleven, right?

So subtract 2 from 11 and what number do you get?

 

The really sad thing is that I took time to reply cause it doesn't take a genius to see how much greater 9 is than 2.

[paetric]

Well its like this Egwene. I love bratwurst. The last two cook outs I've had some gawd aweful experiances with some. Left a nasty taste in my mouth and just about made me sick. But I love brats, so I will keep trying them regardless.

 

The problem is, I fear that RJ has lost his receipe for his excellent bratwurst. I won't know till I try the 12th one out, but I'm not holding my breath.

[Leafburner]

Sorry paetric, didn't mean to ruffle any feathers. I just can't put much credit in an opinion that says KOD was a watse of paper. That book was the best in the series since TDR - even better that LOC IMHO.

 

Let's not try to prove one another wrong. Because that would be the truly sad thing. Sorry I started anything. There's a debates and discussion board for that kind of behaviour. Agreed?

[Guest Admiral]

KOD wasnt a waste of paper, it was just a little bit dry.

[Guest Majsju]

Sorry I started anything. There's a debates and discussion board for that kind of behaviour. Agreed?

 

If you try to bring anything WOT-related onto the Debates & Discussion boards we will strap you up, lock you up in a rotting basket in the deep woods, and have flunked proctologist students practice on you. :twisted:

[Leafburner]

Sorry I started anything. There's a debates and discussion board for that kind of behaviour. Agreed?

 

If you try to bring anything WOT-related onto the Debates & Discussion boards we will strap you up' date=' lock you up in a rotting basket in the deep woods, and have flunked proctologist students practice on you. :twisted:[/quote']

 

Oh, please Mr Maj Moderator - Please don't intimidate me so! I wouldn't dream of talking WOT in your precious debates forum!!!

 

I was just apologising for starting a potential argument. I hope you will forgive me my failings!!!

 

:twisted:

[Guest Majsju]

Forgive is the one word in the english language I've never been able to learn the meaning of. It's something like 'punish in a horrible way' right?

[Guest Egwene]

nothing better to brighten one's day than to read posts on DM....lol

 

We all have different taste buds...be it concerning books or Bratwurst

 

My tastebuds have immensly enjoyed every single book. Book 10 left me frustrated, yes, but only because it was like having a bite of a really good Bratwurst and not being allowed more...*smiles* KoD...It satisfied the tastebuds though left me wishing I had been given more time to savour the Wurst... you see....I love what some call the 'padding'. It's all the sub plots, the one sentence hints deftly slotted in here and there...the big story developing over several almost independent storylines.....which to me makes this series my Bratwurst of all Bratwursts recipe.

 

I have read a lot of other fantasy series, and re-read several of those as well....but there is not one that has captivated my imagination to the same extend.

 

Which is why I hope that RJ is going to continue telling the story in full not giving in to the calls of those that are too impatient. Let's face it....I can think of one or two authors where book one is big and fat with lots of detail.....book 5 is thin and just action, action....but strangly the price is the same... the moment these guys leave out the padding......that's when the main objective is getting the money fast, not telling the story well.

 

RJ does not cheat on us like that....and I for one really appreciate that and hope it continous right until the end. Amen.

[paetric]

Yes, it's in the detail. Some of the detail I don't care for, but the series isn't written for me. So I can live with all the chapters with Egghead and Elayne.

 

But KOD is the second to last book. I expected more to be tied up in it. It did have some of the best writing with Matt in many a book, but overall it fell very short to what it should of been. Hence the waste of paper.

 

This is why I don't have much hope for MoL. I've accepted that I will feel short changed. It upsets me, but I accept it.

[Samurai Jin]

Heres wat i think will happen towards the end:

 

Rand would go crazy during the war after seeing so many of his loved ones dieing in the great ommense battle. He realeses the dark one to then destroy him with his power. Then once the battle is done, Rand becomes so messed up in the head he tries to kill everyone when suddenly that Sea girl (Prophisized to kill Rand). Helps him kill himself.

All other else is a happy ending

[joeybsmash]

The "remnant of a remnant" will be the traveling people (see The Shadow Rising). i think if it comes to a choice then that seanchan woman will make it, not rand. after the battle the one power will begin to fade from the world. as eliada's maid egwene will either kill eliada, capture her, or use the world of dreams to torture/persuade her into giving up. loial will slaver over that library aviendha found and aviendha's only appearance will be when she informs rand of his children's birth. or the babies will be born after the battle. andor will have to deal with the seanchan and there will probably be a battle or almost befor rand gets his truce. it is this truce that reunites mat and rand. rand will probably bow to toun thus fuflling the seanchan prophecy. if the seanchan didn't kill masema(and i don't think they did) then perrin will have to (faile may fall victim to his preachings). the blood on the rocks of SG will be from rand's scar and the evil of aridhol will seal the DO.

[Slayer]

after the battle the one power will begin to fade from the world.

 

Remember this quote? "The lions sing and the hills take flight. The moon by day and the sun by night. Blind woman, deaf man, jackdaw fool. Let the Lord of Chaos rule --chant from a children's game, heard in Great Arvalon, the Fourth Age."

 

Notice the words "...Great Arvalon." To me, this appears to be an obvious corruption of Tar Valon. With the added prefix of "Great," it leads me to believe this city still is a very important location in the fourth age. Tar Valon would not be near as great a city if the channelers had all faded. My personal belief is that channeling will not fade, and that the Ashaman will unite with the Aes Sedai in Tar Valon, and it will become a very important center of trade and commerce in the Fourth Age. However, we don't really even know if there will be another Fourth Age. I think (hope) that this turning of the wheel is different from the others; like someone has already said, we have seen the Creator take a direct hand in events already (or at least the evidence of his hand in events, such as the voice in EotW), and the Wheel is supposed to have

enough defense mechanisms that it can sustain itself. Lews Therin said that the Creator doesn't cry over lost worlds and that he creates and moves on...well, that doesn't ring quite true for this turning, so for all we know, the Wheel may end. I hope something as dramatic as this will happen, but we don't really know, do we?

[Luckers]

Remenant of a remenant does not fit the tuatha'an. Indeed they are more closely connected to the dai'shan then the Aiel are. Both are merely one remenant worth of remenant. I do however think that the prophecy does indeed refer to the dai'shan and that the remenant of a remenant is a remenant of a remenant of the daishan, and therefore it would be that a remenant of the modern aiel that survive, which isn't as dire as the other.

 

I just went crosseyed.

[Ilyena]

I have to believe that channeling will be forgotten somehow after the Last Battle. While the point about Great Arvalon is well made, a city could still be great without Aes Sedai, especially if it's in a time when the one power isn't known.

Also, in an earlier book, it was pointed out that accoring to the turning of the Wheel, the Bore will continue being fully sealed, then discovered, then broken, then patched, then sealed... And it was assumed that there was a time before the age of Legends when no one knew how to channel

[Jellybelly]

Even if the ability to channel was forgotten directly after the Last Battle, people would not forget that some people had HAD the ability to channel until after several hundred years had passed.

 

So yes, the channeling will be forgotten sometime after the Last Battle in order for it to be discovered at the end of the First Age, but we will not see it in the books.