[Discussion] Shayol Ghul!

[Guest Far Dareis Mai]

So I'd like to start something new here, to give members a chance to earn yet more points, and to allow members to get involved and get to know each other a little better.

 

Each month I will host a discussion. I will choose the Topic from the list the upper echelon has provided in the Bore. Everyone is welcome to participate, not just Org members. Org members who do actively partcipate for the entire discussion (they will be month long), will receive points.

 

If you are interested in hosting a discussion, please feel free to send me a pm for more details (like how many points it is worth :P).

 

Please keep the useless spamming to a minimum (for enlightenment, see the Spam clarification thread). Anyone who intentionally derails my discussion will lose points.

 

And I shouldn't have to say it...but: This is a structured discussion. Everyone here is entitled to his or her opinion (even if it does suck :P), and if you don't like it...too damn bad. No flaming other members, or being needlessly rude. If it starts happening, you'll lose points..and if you aren't a member of this Org, I'll report you to a mod. I'll give you one warning about it, and then... *looms for effect* :)

 

 

Topic for August: Shayol Ghul!

This topic is going to encompass the Org as well as the books. Here is the first set of questions/statements to get us started off.

 

In the books, Shayol Ghul is something that is to be feared and unknown. Do you think in the final book, any more light will be shed on how evil works, as well as new monsters? If you had your way, what would you like to see?

 

What attracted you to Shayol Ghul in the first place? What is your favorite facet of this Org, and your favorite game in Thakandar? Do you find this Org unique to other Orgs? How do you think the other Orgs within DM see Shayol Ghul? How do you react to this?

[Moghedian]

As much as I wish that most of AMoL would be set in the bore, I think that the most we will discover about the political structure of SG will be things that we have already read about. However, it could be quite a learning curve for many of the Westlanders to discover that maybe the Dark aren't quite as different from them asthey had previously thought... ::)

 

I'll answer the other part...later.  ;)

[Canukistani]

"If you had your way, what would you like to see?"  Tentacle monsters in the White Tower

[Guest Far Dareis Mai]

Yeah, I agree that the focus is not going to be evil related, but if I had my way, I'd want to see the 13 dreadlords and the 13 myrddraal change someone to the dark that doesn't want to be changed. See the process, and see how the person acts right after. Do they eyes turn black, do they immediately get off the table and start chanting Dark One stuff? And some new monster. I imagine if Aginor had lived, we'd have seen some new baddies.

 

What attracted you to Shayol Ghul in the first place? What is your favorite facet of this Org, and your favorite game in Thakandar? Do you find this Org unique to other Orgs? How do you think the other Orgs within DM see Shayol Ghul? How do you react to this?

 

I was invited to SG by some members I thought were cool. At first I just interacted with them, and only at Dragonmount. I was probably a member for 3 months before I went over to the offsite boards. It was there I got to know everyone much better and felt much more apart of the Org.

 

My favorite part of SG is how we don't 'play' nice. If two people don't like each other, chances are everyone else knows it, and it's cool.

 

My favorite game in Thakandar is probably the Trolloc Game, and Mortal Kombat. I remember the first couple times I played MK it really sucked, because I didnt have any kind of levels, and a low rank so I was basically pulverized by anyone who had been around longer than me. But then I got some Grayman levels, and a higher rank, and even a couple Darkhound levels (which are not easy to come by), and now I just laugh and laugh as I beat the crap out of someone. :)

 

I think this Org is unique to other Orgs because I think we get away with a lot more than other Orgs allow. I think that you can give someone a hard time, and it's okay usually. Everyone here doesn't mince words with anyone else, and you get just about as much respect as you give. To me it's refreshing, and when something upsets me somewhere else, it's nice to hang out here and just be mean for awhile. :)

 

I think there are a few Orgs that hate us, a few Orgs that tolerate us, and a few Orgs that think we're alright. We've been around a long time, and that means a lot, seeing as there are Orgs that have been downsized to Discussion Groups. I think the majority of Orgs tend to not take us seriously, because we do spam a lot, and we do goof around, and we don't preen people's feathers...but I think that is what makes us such a great Org. Almost anything goes here.

 

As far as reacting, I don't really care. Deep down I think SG is like the D&D club in high School. The vast majority of people talk bad about it, and laugh at it, and dismiss it....but secretly they want to join because they know we're cool, and hella loyal to our Org, and when we graduate college we are the geeks that are going to be running our countries...but can't because they've already talked all the smack about it.

 

Tentacle monsters wouldn't be bad I suppose Canuk, but I think setting those Worms in the Blight against the Novices would be funnier. "Alright Novice Carylna, it's your turn to see if you can embrace the source before you get eaten." OH! Or send one of those worm's through the ter'angreal that tests for Accepted.

 

 

[Dunbar]

In the books, Shayol Ghul is something that is to be feared and unknown. Do you think in the final book, any more light will be shed on how evil works, as well as new monsters? If you had your way, what would you like to see?

 

I don't want it to be overexposed, keep some of the mystique says I *nod*

 

What attracted you to Shayol Ghul in the first place? What is your favorite facet of this Org, and your favorite game in Thakandar? Do you find this Org unique to other Orgs? How do you think the other Orgs within DM see Shayol Ghul? How do you react to this?

 

The people and the humor. I joined the CoL first, but they seemed to be dying just after I joined (although they're alive again now!) so I needed something else, and shayol ghul seemed the most fun place to be (WHICH IS CERTAINLY IS!) Favorite facet? The people and the fun we have, and also the un-niceness we embrace so heartily *nod* Favourite game is most certainly the death match, and we're most certainly unique. How? Little things, like a friendly stab in the back. How they see us? Oh, I don't know. Evil little miscreants? I've no problem with that ^^

[Roxinos]

Ooo! Me next, me next!

 

I joined because I was a stupid little 13 year old. The things which interested me most in the books were the Wolfkin, the Aiel, and the Shadow, naturally. So I joined those three Orgs (back when you could only join three Orgs). SG was the most active of the three, so I stuck around because it was nice having something to go back to and respond all of the time nearly all day every day.

 

Eventually people grew on me, yes, but they weren't my primary reason for sticking around. Interesting how they were the reason I left. But from the looks of it, SG is just like every other Org nowadays. Activity spurned by the constant influx of new people rather than people who stick around and make this their home. With the few elite still hanging in the rafters watching the newbies and occasionally popping their heads in now and again.

[Barmacral]

The book already draws a very bleak picture for SG, dead place thats empty looking, yet busy, and entirely unnatural.

 

What drew me here? I watched through both of your last two leadership races, the first one I was brand new to DM and figured I didn't much want to put up with it, the second I came and harrassed you guys for a bit, and found myself coming back on occasion. Then I saw FDM's comment to drag my ass into the org, and figured I might as well join.

[Roxinos]

Funny. FDM draws in one, and drives out another.

[Canukistani]

who did she drive out?

[Roxinos]

*waves*

 

What, you think it was just some odd coincidence that I quit shortly after she got raised to OL?

[Canukistani]

if you quit then why are you still posting here?  no, you didn't quit.  you just think you did.  your the kid that's stormed off in a huff and wanting back in to play after you've cooled off but can't ask cause your ego won't let you.

[Roxinos]

You're assuming a few things. One, that I want to rejoin. No, I don't. At all. I still post here because I happen to check up on the General Wheel of Time Discussion. That was the whole reason I originally joined DM in the first place, so I've gone back to those roots. As for the off-site boards? I only recently started posting there again because I got quite bored during the summer and I wanted to see if anyone would join me. And they did.

 

Please, Canuk, try not to assume things about the way I think. I stormed off in a huff once and came back a month later asking Roka to give me everything back. I really couldn't care less about the ranks, or the points here. I don't care about the Org anymore. There just happen to be a few good people still around, and I would like to maintain some sort of dialogue with 'em. Just because I hate people like Jelly f*cking this place up doesn't mean I hate everyone in it and want to just completely sever all ties with people like you and Demi and Twitch and Zyr and Panda and Roka.

 

So ya.

[loki redfern]

so why do you have a girls name?

[Dunbar]

sever all ties with people like you and Demi and Twitch and Zyr and Panda and Roka.

 

*gets teary eyes*

 

I love you too!

[eclipse0]

Oh, it's a Loki!

 

I joined cause I wanted to OP fight with a different set of stats other than my SL stats at the BT to be honest.  I really like the games that you play here though, and most of my DM time is spent here instead now, though I have not shirked my responsibilities to the BT.

[Blig Blog]

OMG hilarious! You deleted my post!  ::) :P

[bad company]

In the books, Shayol Ghul is something that is to be feared and unknown. Do you think in the final book, any more light will be shed on how evil works, as well as new monsters? If you had your way, what would you like to see?

 

Personally I think that several forsaken may get wiped out in quick sucession thus allowing more chance of the light side to win which I think is something that RJ would be very much likely to have wanted to try. And I think Fain an the Gholam and possibly slayer/isam may feature more to show a greater scope on the dark side  and slayer isam largely because of that prophecy on the wall in the second book at the start.

What attracted you to Shayol Ghul in the first place?

Well it was one of the first org's I joined and found the leeway much more to my liking thus felt that I should grace people with my presence

What is your favorite facet of this Org, and your favorite game in Thakandar? Metting people like demi and the rest of the loons is one of my favorite  part of SG. Considering I ended up claiming demi, min, jelly and then moggy all from the same place.

Do you find this Org unique to other Orgs? In the content that you see I think it is quite unique, alot of the content found here is less concentrated in other orgs depending, though one's like the fiddler's do have some things in common in that regard

How do you think the other Orgs within DM see Shayol Ghul? I think they view SG as a norm for DM, it's been around a while and they are used to us being ruthless bastards killing eachother for fun, and fsometimes for pleasure ;)

How do you react to this? I've never had any really negative responses to being in SG

[Guest Far Dareis Mai]

Interesting perspectives, all. I agree with most of you when it comes to how SG is portrayed in the books, and how Fain, the Gholam, and Isam/Luc will play a bigger part in the final book. I hope that at some point Rand meets up with Luc, to see how they as half brothers will interact with each other. I'm sure Luc will feel pure hatred, but I'm not sure how Rand (who has to be hard, but I think will soften for his own blood--if he's not entirely crazy by then) will be. The same with Isam and Lan. Could seeing kin for the first time since birth be the Warder's fatal mistake? Hopefully some of these loose ends will be at least touched on in the last book.

 

Moving on, who is your favorite Forsaken, and why?

 

I always alternate between different Forsaken, but I think ultimately my favorite it Graendal. Not because she's like the ultimate hooch, but because of who she was before she forswore her oaths to the Light. Highly intelligent, perhaps moreso than the other Forsaken (barring Aginor), to give up all of that for this facade of decadence and flamboyance. I think that she is the dark horse of the Forsaken.

 

And to respond to a few comments about the Org:

 

It seems a lot of you joined for the people, and I think that is awesome. It is ultimately the company we keep, as well as the activities we do that keep us an Org here at DM. Hopefully we'll be able to continue to develop the Org in such a way that we can get people to branch out and make new acquaintences, and try new things.

 

Barmy: You should have joined the Org long ago, I'm glad you finally did though--even though the Bounty I had on your head went to waste. ;)

 

Rox: It doesn't really matter how you wish to think about it, the fact that you continue to post here while I am in charge makes your "not being in this Org" not really different from "being in this Org". You didn't do much while you were an official member the last year you were around, and frankly, the only thing you did for me by leaving was a favor. :) Not everyone has what it takes to be in SG, and I (and I think nearly everyone else) certainly doesn't want anyone here who doesn't wish to be. So please feel free to do whatever it is you do. You aren't bothering anyone by trolling, so as long as you follow the rules like a good member of DM, it is what it is. :)

 

Though I will warn you that the snide little comments about me are not appropriate in this structured discussion, and if you continue to post in such a way on this thread(where I warned everyone in the first post that this content will not be tolerated) that is not related to what we are talking about, I'll have to report you to an admin, since you aren't a 'member' of this Org. The same goes for you, Blig. This will be your only warning.

 

Now, back to the discussion. As far as the Org goes, what would you perhaps like to see tried or changed about the Org? A particular game, a new activity? More invasions between Factions? Is it just fine the way it is? How do you like the new Raising restrictions for Lightfuls? Are there any rules that just bug the hell out of you?

 

[Roxinos]

and frankly, the only thing you did for me by leaving was a favor.

 

Glad to be of service. I may be a bastard, but I wouldn't want to burden you or anyone in your position. I may not like you, but you did take on the responsibility. I may not like what you've done to SG and what SG being more closely tied to DM has done to the Org, but it is your decision. As long as you stick to it, I'm alright with that.

 

Though I will warn you that the snide little comments about me are not appropriate in this structured discussion, and if you continue to post in such a way on this thread(where I warned everyone in the first post that this content will not be tolerated) that is not related to what we are talking about, I'll have to report you to an admin, since you aren't a 'member' of this Org.

 

Noted. I'll keep my snide comments about you outside of structured threads. :-p

 

Now, back to the discussion.

 

I couldn't agree more. I should not have stepped into this thread in the first place. I'll avoid threads like this.

[eclipse0]

Oh, goody!

 

As far as the Org goes, what would you perhaps like to see tried or changed about the Org? A particular game, a new activity? More invasions between Factions? Is it just fine the way it is? How do you like the new Raising restrictions for Lightfuls? Are there any rules that just bug the hell out of you?

 

I've only seen one invasion so far and to be honest, it didn't get as much participation as I thought it would. I'd love to have more of them as long as everyone enjoys them.

 

As far as rules that bug the hell out of me, there is one I've noticed so far. It's the rule about posting in game threads in which you are not one of the participants.  I understand the premise of the rule.  We don't want to spam the Hell out of game threads and interrupt the flow of the game, but when an observer has something to say which is game related I think there should be exceptions made.

 

I understand if you don't want to change it, I won't make a fuss. I just wanted to say my piece while I had your ear.

[Guest Far Dareis Mai]

No, I appreciate the feedback. I'll definitely bring this up with the other Faction Leaders, and TMD. Perhaps we can adjust it. No guarantees though. ;)

[Canukistani]

umm...yeah eclipse...the rule isn't as harsh as i made it out to be.  you were just pissing me off.

[Moghedian]

Moving on, who is your favorite Forsaken, and why?

 

Semirhage. I really have no idea why but she always struck me as the Forsaken who doesn't really care what anyone else thinks about her. She had the potential to be the greatest doctor ever and yet she threw it away for her sadistic beliefs and to follow the DO. That shows amazing strength. She also seems to be less of a coward than most of the Forsaken considering that she has just been captured by Cadsuane.

 

As far as the Org goes, what would you perhaps like to see tried or changed about the Org? A particular game, a new activity? More invasions between Factions? Is it just fine the way it is? How do you like the new Raising restrictions for Lightfuls? Are there any rules that just bug the hell out of you?

 

The thing I really like about this ORG is that we are perfectly content to be the 'different' ORG that doesn't hae a conventional purpose like Movies, Video Games, Music etc. We're just meant to be the evil ORG. However, following this I was very upset when spam was suddenly only allowed in Hell.  We were easily the most active ORG for about a month and then suddenly our activity was something that was meant to be hidden? I'd love to see more invasions between factions, more Spam Wars and just more interaction between the higher ranks of SG. I haven't experienced the new Lightfool raising system personally, but I feel that as long as everyone involved is happy with the outcome it is good.  :)

[eclipse0]

Thanks FDM!

 

It seems I've become good at that, Canuki...

 

::)

[Canukistani]

not really, it doesn't take much to get in my sights.