What things can be left out in AMOL?

[anthonyelayne]

Brandon Sanderson has some huge shoes to fill, and i don't think even RJ would have had an easy time wrapping up this series. My question is what topics would you let go by without some sort of closure? Obviously its only minor things i'm asking about. There is just so much to wrap up. There has to be some things we can let slide. I think Brandon has to be appreciated for taking on this monumental task before he gets blasted for not satisfying all the topics. After all he is only trying to do his best for our high standards.

 

My "let it goes" would be The futures of Gawyn and Egwene as a couple, or The politics of any city/state after TG, and anything to do with Faile. Nobles suck too. Hope he keeps it just to main characters! Wasn't huge on loials boring long long future after TG if he lives either. Yet who knows maybe all will be destroyed and the shadow wins. But what could you do without?

[RAND AL THOR]

This is a nice question. I haven't seen this yet. So far there have only been discussions about what we desperately WANT in AMOL.

 

I would like as many topics completed as possible. However, that would mean that some of them couldn't be written properly so hopefully the most significant and most stretched out topics ARE covered.

 

What I care not about whatsoever:

-Perrin/Faile. After TG, I don't care what happens to this pair. I am SO sick of them. I lost much of my love for Perrin after his "screw the world as long as Faile is safe" attitude-however justified

-Children of the Light

-Fain

-The Creator (If he pops up in the middle of TG after remaining silent for so long I don't know what I'll do)

-Bela (why are people on this forum so obsessed with a freaking horse?)

-Moiraine/Thom couple (weirdweirdweird)

-Gawyn/Elayne

-I dont care at all about Berelain-her nature is there in the last half of her name,

-couldn't care less about Alliandre/Morgase

 

;D

[anthonyelayne]

I agree Thom/ Moiraine is weird.

[Luckers]

I like the idea of Thom and Moiraine--especially if Thom can learn to channel. They'll make a powerful force in the world to come.

[Mr Ares]

What's so wierd about Thom and Moiraine?

[RAND AL THOR]

I've always found it weird because of Thom's age-compared to Moirane who has the ageless beauty.

 

Please don't say that love is blind because it rarely is.

[Celdiruen]

Well Moirane's like 40 something so they're not that far apart. Plus, Thom has bushy mustaches!

 

:o

[Cockta]

Plus, Thom has bushy mustaches!

 

And that has anything with the topic of this thread?

[Leopoled Boothe]

I really don't think any plot thread is going to be left out.  Remember, Wilson told us that shortly before his death RJ had a fireside chat with all his closest friends in which he told the story of AMOL verbally.  Wilson also stated that a stenographer was present taking notes.  There have also been rumors that this fireside chat was recorded but I can't confirm that.  In any case, my understanding is that RJ left notes or outlines concerning all the major plot lines and all the major events that occur within.  Brandon's job is to fill in the blanks that that lead the characters from one major event to the next.  Therefore, every plot line that RJ intended to be resolved in AMOL will be resolved, though some of the minor details concerning how they get resolved may be a bit different that what he intended.

 

And don't count on much info concerning the futures of the characters, I don't think RJ ever intended to reveal this information.  Remember RJ stated that he was going to end the series with a hook that would seem to indicate that there might be another book in the main sequence, though there would not be.  He wanted to leave that reader with a sense that somewhere out there the WOT world is still going.

 

 

This is a nice question. I haven't seen this yet. So far there have only been discussions about what we desperately WANT in AMOL.

 

I would like as many topics completed as possible. However, that would mean that some of them couldn't be written properly so hopefully the most significant and most stretched out topics ARE covered.

 

What I care not about whatsoever:

-Perrin/Faile. After TG, I don't care what happens to this pair. I am SO sick of them. I lost much of my love for Perrin after his "screw the world as long as Faile is safe" attitude-however justified

-Children of the Light

-Fain

-The Creator (If he pops up in the middle of TG after remaining silent for so long I don't know what I'll do)

-Bela (why are people on this forum so obsessed with a freaking horse?)

-Moiraine/Thom couple (weirdweirdweird)

-Gawyn/Elayne

-I dont care at all about Berelain-her nature is there in the last half of her name,

-couldn't care less about Alliandre/Morgase

 

;D

 

I can see your point on a lot of these but how can you not care about Fain?!!!!  He's the ultimate wild card in the series and fans would absolutely riot is BS left him out of AMOL.

 

As for Perrin and Faile I think a great way to justify their previous plot line would be for Perrin to find himself in a situation where he must literally choose between sacrificing Faile or letting the world fall to The Shadow and having him make the right decision.  It would allow alot of fans to regain their love for Perrin and eliminate Faile so its win/win.

 

I do actually care about Morgase because I think she must still have a huge part to play.  Otherwise I can't see any reason why RJ has kept her alive.  I'm very curious to see what her purpose will be.

 

As for Thom and Moiraine, they might have a short marriage but I wouldn't worry about it much because I think they are both going to die.  Once Rand wins TG Moiraine's life long mission will have been completed so in literary terms there will be noting left for her to do.  Egwene pretty well has the post TG Amyrlin job locked up so the best Moiraine can hope for is to become head of the Blue Ajah or perhaps Egwene's Keeper.  Either option would be anti-climatic so Moiraine needs to got out in a blaze of glory.   As for Thom in aiding Rand, a male channeler, I think he will finally be able to atone for his inability to save his nephew and will finally be able to rest in peace.

[DemandredFO]

Thom is probably going to get to kill some Aes Sedai in this on or at least I hope so.  I've been waiting for that since that momement in tSR.  Thom and Moiraine won't die, she just came back to marry Thom and be healed, George R.R. Martin would do that RJ/BS would not.  I think Morgase will be somewhat important but first she needs a good kick in the ass, she needs to realize that she is not queen anymore and marry Talanvour if she wants.  I actually think Talanvour is going to die.  Fain is indespensible, I know he will die but I see him in the Ishamael role from books 1-3; pure evil, insane and yet likeable in a twisted way.

As for what can be left out

Mattin Stephaneous--no need to see him

Bela--I consider her the Hedwig of the series but still as someone I don't see why everyone is so obssessed but RJ/BS will not be unnecessarily cruel like Rowling was.

 

[Razor]

Uniting Gealdean/2 Rivers and Saldea into a supercharged reborn Manetherin can be left out.  Perrin and Faile can do that off camera for all I care. 

 

The birth of Rand's babies, while I am sure a jouous event with long descriptions of each contraction, the beautiful shower gifts, including many intricately woven rugs and heavy golden food utensils taken by the aiel from Tear and Carhien, the stitching in the beautiful swadling clothes and Elayne's labor dress and the color of the midwife's scrub suit can happen without me.

 

How the seafolk repopulate their now deserted island homelands, perhaps with Seanchan settlers, and anything else with the Seafolk not directly having to do with winning Tarmon Guidon cannot happen far enough behind the scenes for me.

 

A reunion scene in the 2 Rivers with all the starting characters like at the end of LOTR, while unlikely and not necessary, (I certainly could do without it), would be kind of nice if Jordan had decided to begin and end like LOTR.  It would kind of have a nice poetic symmetry to it.

 

 

[Leopoled Boothe]

Mattin Stephaneous--no need to see him

 

I'm actually very curious about what part he has to play in the story.  I mean Jordan must have kept him around for a reason.  The thing that makes this question difficult is that with Jordan you never can tell which characters are going to be important.  There have been several that I thought were one shot characters who ended up returning much to my surprise such as, Bail Doman, Basal Gill, Lamgwin, Aludra and Valan Luca.

 

Incidentally as long as Luca is back I hope he will get a chance to meet Lan just so he can appreciate just who's woman he was hitting on (LOL).

[RAND AL THOR]

Therefore, every plot line that RJ intended to be resolved in AMOL will be resolved

 

But he may not have intended to resolve EVERY side plot. I don't think it is even possible.

 

I can see your point on a lot of these but how can you not care about Fain?!!!

 

Unlike most people on this forum, I don't find Fain interesting. I'm not sure why-chiefly because his powers are largely unexplained and also because he randomly pops up here and there and does hocus pocus and then disappears for another two dozen chapters or so. A lot of people DO like him, but I can't bring myself to. Obviously he is going to be there in AMOL and play a chief role but I just stated that that particular chapter isn't going to be one of my most favourite. My opinion. ;D

 

As for Perrin and Faile I think a great way to justify their previous plot line would be for Perrin to find himself in a situation where he must literally choose between sacrificing Faile or letting the world fall to The Shadow and having him make the right decision.

 

The thing is, Perrin will likely let the whole world die as long as his precious falcon was safe. THat would be the 'right' decision in his eyes-as we say throughout Books 10/11.

 

I do actually care about Morgase because I think she must still have a huge part to play.  Otherwise I can't see any reason why RJ has kept her alive.  I'm very curious to see what her purpose will be.

 

Agreed. Morgase has some sort of significant part to play yet. Perhaps identifying Rand as Tigraine's daughter?

I intitally found it exciting when Morgase escaped from Rhavin and all that but her story line got pathetically weak afterwards and very boring to read.

 

The birth of Rand's babies, while I am sure a jouous event with long descriptions of each contraction, the beautiful shower gifts, including many intricately woven rugs and heavy golden food utensils taken by the aiel from Tear and Carhien, the stitching in the beautiful swadling clothes and Elayne's labor dress and the color of the midwife's scrub suit can happen without me.

 

*falls over laughing* - Lets not forget Elayne screaming loud enough to freak out the Dark One at TG.

 

Mattin Stephaneous--no need to see him

 

I'm actually very curious about what part he has to play in the story.  I mean Jordan must have kept him around for a reason.

 

General consensus agrees that Mattin will be re-instated as King of Illian. Rand would not want a shred of any nation after TG. The brief appearance of Mattin in KOD was likely to show us his character and to also show us that him becoming King again is not a horrible idea-because he listens to reason as he did with Egwene.

 

Furthermore, Moiraine dying seems horrible to me because after all the effort of rescuing her and then her dying is just......wasteful. Furthermore, the idea that she ought to die just because her life's ambition of finding and aiding the DR will be complete after TG was just shocking! I mean, why can't she have a normal AS life after that?

 

I am looking forward to Thom punishing the AS who gentled Owyn. I'm sure its going to happen. And so I can't see Thom dying anytime soon.

 

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Rowling was not cruel with Hedwing. Considering the circumstances, it was absolutely astounding that only one person and an animal died. (thats why its called fantasy!). At least 25% of the Order ought to have died there.

 

G R R Martin would likely kill all the characters and then have the story continue such that the characters are going to be revived but then they stay dead anyway and leave us all with a lump of ice where our heart was.

[Leopoled Boothe]

Furthermore, Moiraine dying seems horrible to me because after all the effort of rescuing her and then her dying is just......wasteful. Furthermore, the idea that she ought to die just because her life's ambition of finding and aiding the DR will be complete after TG was just shocking! I mean, why can't she have a normal AS life after that?

 

Bite your tongue!!!! Moiraine has never been and will never be a "normal AS."  Why would you wish that on her?  That would be worse than death.   But seriously Moiraine has been so dedicated to the cause of helping the DR that the only logical conclusion is for her to give her life for that cause.  Anything else would just seem anti-climatic to me.  Yes, it does seem like alot of wasted effort to rescue her from the Finns only to have her die later in the same book, but if her actions and death in TG make the difference as to whether Rand wins of loses then the effort won't be wasted at all.

 

I do like the idea of Thom getting revenge on some Red Ajah b!tches.  It would be cool if he got to take down Elaida, herself.  I suspect that his marriage to Moiraine will be either a condition of, or a loop-hole that ensures her release from the Finns.

 

[Safia al-Maaz]

Hmm... I agree with RAND, this is a nice question.

 

I personally do not care what happens to Fain, or the Red Ajah as long as Elaida is put in her place as a stilled deck swabber on a Sea Folk ship ^^  I HATE that woman...

 

I currently don't care about what happens in Perrin's future with Faile, or Mat's future with Tuon (though that would be more interesting than Perrin's...). 

 

I DO want to know what is so freakin strange about Avi's babies... that is going to drive me up the wall if I don't find out... 

 

And why is no one intersted in the Gawyn/Egwene relationship?  I find it intriguing, considering his extreme hatred for her close friend, almost-brother, and the fact that the only real way to prove it to him that Rand didn't kill his mother is for his mother to present herself to him...

 

I do not care about the Sea Folk, they make me angry.

 

That's all I can think of right now... but I really don't mind if minor plots are left out, but a lot of the ones considered minor in here so far I find a tad important... like Morgase, or Gawyn (he could be the difference between winning and losing to the Shadow if he tries to kill Rand at the wrong moment!! :P ).

[benr]

 

 

Agreed. Morgase has some sort of significant part to play yet. Perhaps identifying Rand as Tigraine's daughter?

 

Yes, that WOULD lead to some interesting things  ;D

[RAND AL THOR]

 

 

Agreed. Morgase has some sort of significant part to play yet. Perhaps identifying Rand as Tigraine's daughter?

 

Yes, that WOULD lead to some interesting things  ;D

 

oh my god

typo typo typo!

 

 

And why is no one intersted in the Gawyn/Egwene relationship?

 

I dislike it because of how it started. Egwene did not recognize any feelings for Gawyn, without first spying on his dreams and finding out how HE felt about HER first. It was very unfair and I feel that Gawyn is feeling cheated. She walked upto him and said "I love you" fully knowing that he is going to agree. While I like Egwene overall, this part of her really sucks.

 

She doesn't express any thought on Gawyn in that manner at all before the dream incident. Is her love original?

[Mr Ares]

Plus, Thom has bushy mustaches!

And that has anything with the topic of this thread?

It does if they're left out of AMoL.

 

As for Perrin and Faile I think a great way to justify their previous plot line would be for Perrin to find himself in a situation where he must literally choose between sacrificing Faile or letting the world fall to The Shadow and having him make the right decision. It would allow alot of fans to regain their love for Perrin and eliminate Faile so its win/win.

Why does the Perrin/Faile plotline need justifying? Also, When a lot of people are unhappy about Faile spending so much time in captivity, you think it's a good idea to put her back in captivity shortly after what is often thought of as a long overdue rescue? This is your idea of "win/win"? Also, Min has had a viewing of the Broken Crown around Perrin. This is the crown of Saldaea, which Faile is in line for, and Perrin could well end up as co-ruler if Faile is queen. So Faile is unlikely to die.

[Leopoled Boothe]

Why does the Perrin/Faile plot-line need justifying? Also, When a lot of people are unhappy about Faile spending so much time in captivity, you think it's a good idea to put her back in captivity shortly after what is often thought of as a long overdue rescue? This is your idea of "win/win"? Also, Min has had a viewing of the Broken Crown around Perrin. This is the crown of Saldaea, which Faile is in line for, and Perrin could well end up as co-ruler if Faile is queen. So Faile is unlikely to die.

 

Faile need not necessarily go back into captivity to be in mortal danger.  But the fact is that people aren't unhappy with Faile spending so much time in captivity, people are unhappy with Faile in general and therefore the general fandom would have been unhappy with any plot-line involving her (short of her death).  While Faile is not my favorite character, I don't dislike her either and I really didn't think the rescue plot line was all that bad.  None the less, most fans seem to feel that Perrin's assertions that the world and the "bloody Dragon Reborn" could burn if his Faile were not safe need justifying.  Personally I think that people are taking Perrin's worlds way to literally (frankly most of them have never had their wife captured by a band of murderous savages, so lets see how they feel when it happens to them LOL).  In my opinion Perrin has been judged way to harshly.  He was understandably upset, he could safely assume that he had some time before TG began and honestly I would have thought much less of him if he had just abandoned Faile to the Shaido (but that's just me).  The win/win thing was just a joke playing on the fact that so many fans hate Faile and hate Perrin because of her (I know its hard of convey on the internet but there was a bit of sarcasm implied in the win/win statement).

[RAND AL THOR]

Perrin's humane feelings towards his wife's imprisonment are well understood.

 

I would have been shocked if he had abandoned her of course.

 

BUT, it gets annoying when he says :Nothing matter but Faile- and stuff like that.

 

He is ta'veren and essential for the Last Battle.

He needs to be near Rand because he is going to 'save' Rand in some way soon.

 

Yet he dedicates ALL his time to run after Faile without pausing to think at all about what may happen to the rest of the world. I think the Faile chase took 50-60 days (judging by the knots he was tying). A lot can happen in 2 months.

 

Rand specifically thinks that he is annoyed with them because they are off on their own adventures when he needed them.

 

I think that most of us wouldn't be so annoyed with the kidnap-arc if it such a large number of pages had not been devoted to it. I understand that it is crucial for the plot because many things were achieved by it- but if it had not been explained so thoroughly it may have been better. I would especially have loved more Rand chapters in KOD. I don't even know what he's doing!

[Mr Ares]

(I know its hard of convey on the internet but there was a bit of sarcasm implied in the win/win statement).

Most of the dislike of Faile is played far too straight.

 

(frankly most of them have never had their wife captured by a band of murderous savages

I know I haven't, mores the pity

so lets see how they feel when it happens to them LOL

I'm guessing initial jubilation, followed by a growing dread at the thought they now have to cook their own meals.

 

Personally I think that people are taking Perrin's worlds way to literally

This is a case where actions apparently do not speak louder than words. Perrin's actions do not represent an abdication of his responsibilities. He made sure that when he took action, he did so in a way that gained him the most with the least losses. In fact, surely that conclusion, at Malden, gives the storyline all the justification it needed?

 

I think that most of us wouldn't be so annoyed with the kidnap-arc if it such a large number of pages had not been devoted to it. I understand that it is crucial for the plot because many things were achieved by it- but if it had not been explained so thoroughly it may have been better.

In that, you are probably right.

I would especially have loved more Rand chapters in KOD. I don't even know what he's doing!

Why not?

[RAND AL THOR]

I would especially have loved more Rand chapters in KOD. I don't even know what he's doing!

Why not?

 

In book 4/5/6 we see a lot of Rand. We know what he is doing, how he is securing the nations, what his plans are, and all that.

 

In book 11, Rand is hardly present. His intentions regarding TG have no room to be expressed. The only significant thing would be the attempted Seanchan truce. But we are left clueless about what he intends to do now. Honestly, what does he do in KOD? With TG looming ahead he need to accomplish so much.

Lan says that too in KOD.  ;D

[Mr Ares]

I would especially have loved more Rand chapters in KOD. I don't even know what he's doing!

Why not?

 

In book 4/5/6 we see a lot of Rand. We know what he is doing, how he is securing the nations, what his plans are, and all that.

 

In book 11, Rand is hardly present. His intentions regarding TG have no room to be expressed. The only significant thing would be the attempted Seanchan truce. But we are left clueless about what he intends to do now. Honestly, what does he do in KOD? With TG looming ahead he need to accomplish so much.

Lan says that too in KOD.  ;D

What does Rand actually have to accomplish before TG? The Borderlanders have to be met/placated, of course, but is there really a lot for him to do? There is room for his intentions for TG to be expressed, and if they weren't there's probably a reason. Like he doesn't really have any beyond "show up, fight, win, die, not necessarily in that order", perhaps. As it is, we get few Rand chapters because he isn't doing all that much. He fights an army of Shadowspawn and meets a Chosen and not a hell of a lot else. There was the hand thing, I suppose. He could try and meet the actual Daughter of the Nine Moons next time.

[Safia al-Maaz]

Yes, that is why Lan was getting so antsy and left for the Borderlands.  Rand isn't doing anything that he really should be doing to prepare for Tarmon Gaidon to Lan's (and my) mind.  He  needs a few more plans than "show up, fight, die, etc".  I'm looking forward to the Borderland reaction of Lan's presence.