Shadow Rising Questions

[DemandredFO]

1. What is Fain’s proposal with the Mydraal

2. When Rand is in the columns why does the Aes Sedai tell the Aiel to keep to the Way of the Leaf?  Doesn’t that guarantee that some or all of the stuff the Aes Sedai want saved will be lost?

3. Why didn’t an Aes Sedai just travel with the Aiel to somewhere far away from any male Aes sedai?

 

[CUBAREY]

2. The servants are followers of the "Way of the Leaf" to change that would be to change the essence of what they are.  Sending them on a trip to safeguard the Angreal is really just a pretext to get them out of harms way. While the angreal are important the Aides Sadie was thinking of saving the servants not what might be important or needed later.

 

3. All the Aides Sadie were intent on several very important plans, including creating the Eye Of The World and stopping the insane male A.S. Once those things were acomplished at least two A.S. did find and join the Caravam.

[RAND AL THOR]

 

3. All the Aides Sadie were intent on several very important plans, including creating the Eye Of The World and stopping the insane male A.S. Once those things were acomplished at least two A.S. did find and join the Caravam.

 

But at least one AS could have opened a gateway to some safe place like a Stedding so that the Aiel could be somewhere safe. ???

[Luckers]

1.   What is Fain’s proposal with the Mydraal

 

Basically, serve me or continue to suffer.

 

2.   When Rand is in the columns why does the Aes Sedai tell the Aiel to keep to the Way of the Leaf?  Doesn’t that guarantee that some or all of the stuff the Aes Sedai want saved will be lost?

 

The protection of the angreal was make-work more than anything. Dai'shain were being foolishly brave in trying to continue to serve the Aes Sedai, and were dying for it. They needed to flee, but would not, so the Aes Sedai gave them a mission that would force them to. Oh, protecting the angreal was important--it needed to be or the Dai'shain would see through it. But their main goal was saving their faithful servants.

 

 

3. All the Aides Sadie were intent on several very important plans, including creating the Eye Of The World and stopping the insane male A.S. Once those things were acomplished at least two A.S. did find and join the Caravam.

 

But at least one AS could have opened a gateway to some safe place like a Stedding so that the Aiel could be somewhere safe. ???

 

Cubarey is right, they had things they needed to do. Remember that the War against the Shadow continued on for nearly forty years into the Breaking--all the Forsaken, all the Shadowspawn were still there. They were also striving to prepare for the rebirth of the dragon in what little time they had left. And then there were the male Aes Sedai--in the scene when the Aiel are sent off its stated that they had to move fast because a male Aes Sedai named Jaric Mondarion was headed straight for Paraan Disen.

 

In effect--they had more important things to do. They did what they could in sending the Dai'shain away so they would not die senselessly aiding the Aes Sedai in those jobs, but they still needed to be done.

 

And there were no safe places. Stedding included, or why did you think the Ogier were in such a bad state as to develop the longing. Besides no stedding could sustain the Aiel population. Their best hope was in keeping moving.

 

 

edited for spelling.

[JenLenaMom]

Not to mention the geography was changing due to the breaking, there may not have been many AS who knew the ground she was staning on well enough to travel, let alone make a good estimate of where to place the other side of teh gate.  It might have ended up in an ocean or pit of lava.

[RAND AL THOR]

I would say that a stedding was the safest place during the breaking. At least you can;t channel once inside. Of course someone from outside can blast it apart but an insane guy would likely come plunging into the stedding and find themselves cut off.

 

That would have been a nice strategy. If the AS could have lured the male channelers to stedding where they would be cut off from the source. But of course that is very difficult. Mad people are mad after all. ;D

[Bob T Dwarf]

At sometime during the Breaking, the stedding themselves began to move around ( along with the rest of the land masses ).  Not even the Ogier knew where they were.  They had to search long and hard for a considerable time before they began to find them again, which is what led to the Longing, and many of the Ogier dying from being away from stedding for too long.

 

The Aiel ( from what we have been shown ) never had any particular problems with 'mad' male AS, anyway.  Their problems were with other humans, and those humans wouldn't have been constrained from committing robbery, rape and murder by being inside a stedding.

 

So, firstly, the AS had no idea where any stedding were, anymore, and second, transporting the Aiel to one wouldn't have been any protection anyway.

[RAND AL THOR]

I guess thats true. But placing the power related objects in a stedding would have been ideal.

[cloglord]

That's not entirely true Bob.  Some Male Aes Sedai did find their way to stedding, and some Ogier did care for them.  However, as time went on, those male aes sedai did fall to the urge to channel, and left the stedding.  Some blamed this practice for prolonging the breaking, and some lauded it as a way to make the breaking less catastrophic by pacing it out a little longer.  I believe that all of this comes from a conversation between Moraine and Loial in one of the early books, but I can't remember which one now.

[Bob T Dwarf]

True.

 

Point being that with no access to saidar, those male AS didn't pose any threat to the Aiel.  It was only non-channeler human outlaws who did, and they wouldn't have been constrained in their acts by a stedding.

[RAND AL THOR]

Point being that with no access to saidar, those male AS didn't pose any threat to the Aiel.  It was only non-channeler human outlaws who did, and they wouldn't have been constrained in their acts by a stedding.

 

:o saidin!!! :o

[Bob T Dwarf]

Technicalities, technicalities  ;D

[Luckers]

So what you are saying is... Rand's a woman?

 

Dude--plot twist NO ONE saw coming. Poor Min.

[Bob T Dwarf]

And, butch.  Very BUTCH! :o ;D :o

[Luckers]

Well... less so now--he has to learn to use the sword again.

[Bob T Dwarf]

Ya know, I trip over that all the time.  saidin has a softer more feminine sound to my ear.  saidar, a harder more masculine one.

 

It's the One Power, yet it has two components.   Then there's the True Power which has only one component.

 

But, is the True Power fueled by the True Source?   Noooooooooooooo.  That's the One Power.  TP comes from the DO, who is anything but true and reliable.

 

 

Confooosing, very confooosing.

[DemandredFO]

Another question I have, did Moiraine know what Asmodean did with Culadin or something because in tSR I think it's Rhuarc that says there's no possible way the dragons can be immitated.  Rand then observes to himself did Moiraine's eyes flicker?

[RAND AL THOR]

Ya know, I trip over that all the time.  saidin has a softer more feminine sound to my ear.  saidar, a harder more masculine one.

 

It's the One Power, yet it has two components.   Then there's the True Power which has only one component.

 

But, is the True Power fueled by the True Source?   Noooooooooooooo.  That's the One Power.  TP comes from the DO, who is anything but true and reliable.

 

 

Confooosing, very confooosing.

 

Hehe, did you know that I didn't know about the existence of the True Power for a long time even after it was introduced? I assumed it was referring to the True Source......imagine my shock afterwards! Actually, it was only made perfectly clear to me when I saw the topic on this forum.

[Luckers]

It's the One Power, yet it has two components

 

And then of course there are the Five Powers. Which is really Ten Powers since theres one set for men, and one for women....

 

Tamyrlin's maths teacher WARNED him maths would be of use in the real world, but did he listen--nope. Now look at the mess he's made. Honestly, kids these days.

[voodoo]

Another question form tSR when in the stone of tear Lanfear mentions that there are two other sa'angreal more powerful than Callandor. One is obviously the Choeden Khal (Spelling?).

 

What's the other or do we ever find out?

[RAND AL THOR]

voodoo, that question is currently under siege on the first page of this forum. There is a thread dedicated to it.

 

http://forums.dragonmount.com/index.php/topic,32117.0.html

[voodoo]

I had a feeling it would have been asked before thanks

[Jonn]

Another question I have, did Moiraine know what Asmodean did with Culadin or something because in tSR I think it's Rhuarc that says there's no possible way the dragons can be immitated.  Rand then observes to himself did Moiraine's eyes flicker?

 

She would have known it would happen as she would have seen it going through the Rings of Rhuidean.

 

If I recall correctly, the Aes Sedai who sent the Aiel off was gifted with the foretelling. She would have known something of what needed to happen and no doubt sending them towards a Stedding would have probably ended in disaster. She sent them in the direction they needed to go.

 

If they had not gone that way, the warrior Aiel would never have come to be. Without them, the Jenn would not have survived and neither would all those treasures, among them Avendesora.

 

If the had not gone in that direction, the warrior Aiel would never have crossed paths with the ancestors of the Cairhienin, they never would have made the pact of Avenderaldera, it never would have been broken by Laman, Janduin doesn't cross the Dragonwall with a pregnant Tigraine and Rand doesn't draw first breath on the slopes of Dragonmount.

 

Prophecy failed.

 

All the suffering, all the death. It all serves a purpose.

 

That's the beauty of that segment in Rhuidean. It's probably one of the finest examples of fantasy writing you'll ever come across.

[Mr Ares]

So what you are saying is... Rand's a woman?

 

Dude--plot twist NO ONE saw coming. Poor Min.

That does rather raise the question of who the father of Elayne's babies is

[Luckers]

Gaidal Cain... obviously.